NeonZ
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Here's the link to the press release for Super's announcement.
http://www.toei-animation.com/files/Press_Release_DBS_ENG_0.pdf
That's a hilariously stupid quote from the Toei press release, not from Toriyama.
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Here's the link to the press release for Super's announcement.
http://www.toei-animation.com/files/Press_Release_DBS_ENG_0.pdf
That's a hilariously stupid quote from the Toei press release, not from Toriyama.
foxuzamaki
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Chichi is suppose to be a parody of the common japanese housewife, atleast circa 1980s, so she follows the sterotype of wanting her son to study all the time, not having a job herself, and dressing in more reserved clothing when she marries, she is also suppose to be the Japanese equivalent of a country bumpkin, with a "southern" accent and such, so she also thinks she should do what she thinks is more socially acceptable in like a city or something and wants gohan to have the opportunities she didn't
OldAsUrSock
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Supreme Kai stated they sealed Buu
Toriyama.
NeonZ
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Short extract
Wonder who's "hilariously stupid" now heh.
I actually had mentioned that quote before up there too though. It's actually one of the basis of what I had mentioned up there (and it's clearly not what you had mentioned before).
Note how he actually only mentions writing the new Universe 6 arc. Yeah, Toriyama also mentions that Super has a bit of post-Buu aftermatch, BoGs and RoF. I don't see how that's relevant. What's interesting here is that he only actually mentions writing the new arc.
Huh? I thought that was a rather ingenious use of Pan tbh. They set it up well too.
I'm so bummed out there's no actual manga that shows Toriyama's true vision. The manga we're getting is not only not directly by him, but it also skips a lot of the details, making it seem incomplete. I understand he's way past that point and doesn't want to dedicate years of his life to do this, but it's such a shame.
If you had mentioned that quote why did you say Toriyama didn't say it ? I'm confused.
You don't see how that's relevant. Ok I'm going to try to go very slowly so that you can follow.
You have an author writing a story outline and general guideline, and you have a team fleshing out the ideas and writing TV episodes. They consult said author about their work, that either modifies or approves the work.
If Toriyama comments about the precise storyline of Dragon Ball Super, that means that he was fully aware of it, and it is part of what he wants, whether he wrote it specifically, or not. For instance, he did want Goku as a farmer, but he very likely did not write specific scenes for Goku farming.
As for universe 6...
He is working as a writer and designer, what else could he possibly say when talking about a new story than "i've written a new part" ? We already knew he had created battle of gods and resurrection F, he had no reason to reaffirm it in the opening, that'd be rather obnoxious.
The anime is in no way going against his true vision. It might add stuff left and right to flesh out episodes, but it's not contradicting or changing the vibe of anything he wrote.
NeonZ
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The quote that Toriyama didn't say was the one you posted before:
The part about "peace on Earth" makes it clear that you were thinking about the Toei press release. The later quote that you posted says nothing about that.
I'm not saying that they're somehow doing the remakes of BoGs and RoF against his will, I'm saying that, at this point, we have no way to know if the changes that they're doing to those stories are part of Toriyama's outline or just ideas from the tv crew. Several ideas brought up in the show, like farmer Goku and Beerus being the one that sealed Supreme Kai in the Z Sword had already been mentioned by Toriyama in various interviews and Q&As. So, yes, some of them are certainly Toriyama's ideas, but you can't say for sure, at this point, that all the other changes are part of Toriyama's outline, especially considering the lack of commentary about them.
I mean, consider how they cut the scene where Videl's pregnancy was revealed in BoGs, only to shove it right before the SSJGod ritual, leaving Pillaf and crew basically without any role in the BoGs arc. There's also how the idea about Goku disliking powering up without his own effort was completely cut from the BoGs anime arc. Yes, there's a chance that those changes were suggested by Toriyama for some reason, but I don't think we can really say for sure at this point.
He could talk about why some elements of those arcs needed to be changed, but he said nothing, aside from saying that Super would cover them.
We saw what was his true vision, at least at the time, when he actually had input in the final product with BoGs, where he actually heavily changed the final script or wrote the initial script for RoF (which only had a few minor tweaks afterwards, even if it left some elements vague due to cutting the non-scripted scenes that the script described). Yes, he has a role in Super's planning, but when I see the anime using anime-original characters, or even outright replacing some elements from Toriyama with anime ones (like referencing the Bardock Special for child Vegeta, rather than Dragonball Minus), considering the lack of commentary about these changes, I hesitate to take it all as his "true vision".
100% agreed. He needs to be playable.
shadowsdarknes
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Hmm.. okay.
Well Wikipedia claims that Bibidi actually resealed Buu and brought him to Earth as that was his next target.
But before Bibidi could revive Buu again, Supreme Kai killed Bibidi.
Either way, I didn't realize that Buu had been living on Earth this whole time. I thought Babidi had brought him to Earth because of the large energy signals being emitted from the planet.
I'm not sure why Earth was particularly important hundreds/thousands of years ago. But I also imagine this chaos from Buu had to have occured well before Frieza and his family's rule.
Kyleripman
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Question regarding the translation I watched: Beerus was actually
when he was going to destroy the earth in this version, right?
pretending to be asleep
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Kyleripman
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So when he is flying away with Whis and Whis says that earth changed him too, and Beerus says something about "what? i was really sleeping," we aren't meant to assume that he was playing along?
EightBitNate
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Does anyone wanna see Whis fight? Bet he'd do some crazy shit.
DiipuSurotu
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Whis doesn't even need to fight as he can defeat his opponent 3 minutes before they even begin fighting.
Kyleripman
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Btw, DBZ-GAF, does anyone want an Ultraviolet code for Resurrection F?
EightBitNate
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part of me kind of just wants it to be left to the imagination
As someone who was really into DBZ and skipped GT entirely, does this new series have the same quality as the original DBZ episodes? Would I enjoy it as much as DBZ or is it just not as good? Also is everyone super skinny and tall like the recent movies? I really hated that.
EightBitNate
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I dunno. I imagined it'd be pretty funny. Like he'd toy with whoever he was fighting or do some crazy magic shit. Kinda like how it's funny to watch Buu fight.
This is exactly how most fights in DBZ go... *something something* holding back... *something someone* using only 30% of my full power!
I just want one fight were they don't fuck around.
Sibersk Esto
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Piccolo vs Goku gets serious pretty quickly
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NeonZ
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I'd say it's comparable to the Buu Saga. If you enjoyed it, you'll probably enjoy this. Designs are more variable/inconsistent than in the movies. In some episodes they look thin (especially in the Super Saiyan God battle), but in others they don't look different from what you had by the end of Z.
Also, just a warning, episode 5 aired with incomplete animation.
Is there a chance that these oddities will be fixed when they eventually do an english dub and release it on bluray?
NeonZ
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There's no official confirmation right now, but I'd expect episode 5 to be fixed at least, although I'm not sure about the other ones. Toei generally redraws some of their shorter series (like the Sailor Moon remake and Saint Seiya: Soul of Gold), but their fixes for longer shows are limited or non-existent (they fixed some problems in the animation of Saint Seiya Omega's first episodes, but didn't touch most of the series afterwards. One Piece generally gets no animation fixes).
I, also, would like to know this.
Polioliolio
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Boys, some in here would disagree, but in my humble opinion, it's trash.
If you didn't like the new movies, you will vomit when you see how awful this show is.
I still watch it though... But I'm cringing the entire time. It really is that bad, and it's a shame. We all just wanted it to be the great revival.
I think you're taking it way too seriously tbh.
What you want is Dragon Ball.
Fights are definitely better in DB but there is still a fair amount of messing around happening. Tien VS Yamcha and Tien VS Goku come to mind.
I did, it was awesome.
I'm just sad that
we will definitely not see the Universe 6 Counterparts to Goku & Co.
I think that's for the best
as we have the opportunity to meet more interesting new characters. But even considering that the humanity was vanished, that doesn't exclude a possible 6 dimension Goku/Vegeta/Piccolo/Frieza. I'm just excited that there will be a 5-man team composed of the dimension 7 finest, which implies that Gohan/Piccolo/Trunks/Goten/Tenshinhan (maybe?) will step their game up.
That's not necessarily true since Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo aren't originally Earthlings.
Gaiaknight
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movies arent cannon but goku did not fuck around when fighting fat janemba in ssj3 form and it was imo his best seen as a ssj3
True, I forgot that Goku, Vegeta and co are basically immigrants lol.
So yeah, I hope we get at least to see anti-goku. That would be really interesting
So yeah, I hope we get at least to see anti-goku. That would be really interesting
LordOfChaos
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I think it's getting hard to show the power scale. If Bills blocked punches create waves that can destroy the universe (come on, writers), and Bills is a 10 to Whis's 15, what would a Whis fight even be? Destroying bubble universes?
They did show V&G training with Whis in Ressurection F, though Whis was kind of just chilling.
shadowsdarknes
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I agree its hard to show, but I imagine that he fights with so much finesse and precision that he isn't nearly as destructive in his fights.
He's like Mr. Popo with the bell in Dragon Ball.
Mr Popo is Whis's master
Host Samurai
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Universe 6 Piccolo = Slug
Universe 6 Frieza = Cooler
Universe 6 Goku = Turles
Universe 6 Vegeta = Broly
Universe 6 Frieza = Cooler
Universe 6 Goku = Turles
Universe 6 Vegeta = Broly
LordOfChaos
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If it brings back Brolly.
Actually...This universe 6 stuff would be a good chance too...Though I myself said I don't want a bunch of golden freiza type throwbacks, I'd take one for Brolly.
Read it last night. That shit was hype.
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