1.Tien
2.Krillin
3.Yamcha
4.Roshi Max Power
5.Yarjirobe
6.Chiaotzu
7.Videl
8.Chi-Chi
9.Mr.Satan
10.Ox King
Edit: Uub would be number 1 if he counts. I completely forgot about him.
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1.Tien
2.Krillin
3.Yamcha
4.Roshi Max Power
5.Yarjirobe
6.Chiaotzu
7.Videl
8.Chi-Chi
9.Mr.Satan
10.Ox King
Edit: Uub would be number 1 if he counts. I completely forgot about him.
Extreme Budoten? The story mode & adventure mode are absolutely atrocious, but the core combat is *very* fun. I like playing it more than Xenoverse. Japan is getting a patch for online gameplay so hopefully we'll get that here in the US at some point.
Also, I can overlook the story mode nonsense, but I wish it had a bigger roster at times. Oh well.
He didn't do any damage, like Krillin didn't do any damage to Imperfect Cell while saving people. It's like comparing horse shit and cow shit.
Unknown One
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Cow shit is useful for keeping a fire. Cow shit > Horse shit.
I'm basically googling "horse shit uses" right now.
Goku is such a selfish prick. It's all about his wants and needs. Leaving Chi Chi and family for months and years on end just to get stronger. It's basically a military deployment except that he is voluntarily going away from his family. Goku is the reason why Gohan quit being a fighter. He doesn't want to be an absentee father to his kids like Goku was to him. And he turned Chi Chi into a horrible person who is always paranoid about the family breaking apart lest she tells them to not to go on spontaneous training sessions. She has gone through as much, if not more, psychological abuse from Goku as Gohan has.
If Goku truly loved his family he would give Chi Chi a divorce. He won't though. Because is satisfied with the idea of love; that there is someone waiting for him on Earth as he trains to his hearts' content. As long as the illusion is there he is good. No matter how much his family suffers by virtue of having an absentee husband and a father.
clay_ghost
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Won't be surprised the reason why Chi Chi is so hard on young Gohan is because Goku train more than being at home during the time skip between DB and DBZ. Also explains how she got old so fast, she have to worry about Goku getting killed out there while she is rising a young child with a tail.
I'm think he was saying that in response to how she treats him. Also, I'm pretty sure you made up everything in your post.
Chichi is hard on Gohan because she and Goku are hicks and wants him to be educated.
LordOfChaos
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Goku, still the village retard in this episode.
I found Bulma more likable than I have in a while here.
I found Bulma more likable than I have in a while here.
I would say
1. Tien
2. Krillin
3. Roshi (max power)
4. Yamcha
5. Chiaotzu
6. Videl
7. Chi-Chi
8. Ox King
9. Yarjirobe
10. Mr. Satan
Pure of MALICIOUSNESS! =-p
I can't remember the wording that much, but I do think that it was mentioned that Goku was more pure as far as being focused about fighting rather than being pure goodness.
LordOfChaos
Member
That doesn't reflect power though - isn't tri-beams whole schtick that it uses a users life force rather than Ki alone, which is why it drains them so much, and allows a user to punch way above his power weight? Tien holding down semi-perfect Cell being perfect proof of that, when even Super Namek Piccilo was Rofflestomped by him, and super namek > SS1.
It's a cartoon, man
Chi Chi obviously doesn't care as much as she let on once Goku left.
Nah, Goku seemed to be a pretty good father up to the Saiyan saga. He spent those five years between DB and DBZ training at home. But between then and the start of the Buu saga, he was either dead, in space, or at home training with Gohan and Piccolo for the androids.
Anywho, that was a fun episode. I hope Vegeta kicks the crap out of Goku when they meet again.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Only thing Goku loves is eating food, fighting, and training his kids at the same time.
What ?
What ?!!!!!
Are you serious ? Extreme Butouden is getting an online mode ?!
This is a megaton dude, that's the only reason the game was pure garbage. No online on a fighter that has terrible single player modes.
The Silver
Member
Bruh you didn't even refute the main point about Chi Chi whooping Videl's ass her fight with Goku is all you need to see, she'd physically dominate Videl. Chi Chi's power level in the 23 tournament was 130, she was near base Roshi.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/
Hercule won a tournament and he would not be a challenge to the fighters of old, if one, just one fighter showed up who was at the level of even Pamput then Herc would not be champ, the quality of the fighters went down, the announcner also laments how boring its gotten. You can even forget Hercule calling Spopo a creampuff, it doesn't matter, Hercule winning in and of itself is all you need to prove the decline. You think I'm saying Hercule is weak, he isn't by normal human standards, but that isn't saying much in the world DB.
Ox King took two hits that he didn't even feel, Hercule would have gotten floored by that Goku. Don't even try to downplay him tanking bullets as some gag not to be taken seriously, Goku was always consistent with that level of durability. It isn't the same where you see Hercule having a comedy scene(getting hit by Cell) in juxtaposition to the serious stuff, the DB stuff had a consistent tone and portrayal. Even if you really wanted to throw it away, him lifting and throwing a car, struggling or not is still way beyond Hercule, there's also Goku pushing the giant boulder, throwing giant logs, one shotting monsters, and jumping off mountains and surviving.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Speaking of DBZ games for the ds, may I recommend attack of the Saiyans? Great little rpg.
It's a cartoon, man
Chi Chi obviously doesn't care as much as she let on once Goku left.
Nah, Goku seemed to be a pretty good father up to the Saiyan saga. He spent those five years between DB and DBZ training at home. But between then and the start of the Buu saga, he was either dead, in space, or at home training with Gohan and Piccolo for the androids.
Anywho, that was a fun episode. I hope Vegeta kicks the crap out of Goku when they meet again.
I wouldn't call being dead or training for the androids being a bad dad.
I didn't say he was a bad dad
Most of his absenteeism as a father is because he was dead for 1 year, lost in space for another, and then dead again for 7 more years.
Lol you brought up power levels, something the series doesn't much care for anymore. I don't care about them either.
Chi-Chi didn't land any proper hits on Goku, and she was ringed out without even being touched. Videl effectively snapped the neck of someone way more powerful and it took quite a bit for her to be thrown from the ring. Pretty sure I addressed that, and even the creampuff thing. Did you read? lmao. Just ctrl+F creampuff. Don't skim. That gets no one anywhere and is for sillies.
Of course regular human fighters would be boring compared to the Z fighters. Hurling Ki and destroying the ring aren't common for regular old humans- like most of the old tournament fighters. Even hurling Ki is hard for most regular humans, didn't it legit take Krillin a long time until he could properly use a ki blast? It took him until the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament.
Goku could barely lift a vehicle as a child until much later in the series. Satan can pull four busses, jump great heights, and break bricks just as easily as kid Goku. I think they'd be fairly on par. I'd like to see that fight TBH.
And yes, Goku "tanking bullets" was DB comedy. That's kinda why in serious fights he'd dodge or catch them - because then Toriyama gave a crap and it wasn't Bulma, Lunch, or whatever being angry. Otherwise I doubt Goku would have been KO'd in RoF by a gun recently, because that's how things rolllll.
Oh yeah, excellent game. I wish it had got a sequel.
There's something funny about the strongest man on Earth being scared of his wife. I kind of like their relationship. You can tell they care for each other. I think they could've handled the scene a bit better though. I would've preferred it if Chi Chi agreed to it when Gohan said Goku needs to train to protect the planet, but that's a small detail.
foxuzamaki
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Toriyama himself said krillin is the strongest and nothing has yet to contradict that yet so he is still at number 1, he kinda deserves it tbh
The latter's the big problem recently. The first episode was great with her wanting him to get a job and support her, but then once he got money from Mr. Satan, she was fine with him going to train and just asking him to stop by every now and then.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Im pretty sure its the modern martial arts tournament that is weaker, most people who joined back in goku and krillin's kid days were super real martial artists who trained for years and such, whilst alot of the people in the more modern ones probably had like yellow belts and thought they were good enough, they even made a kid's division and everything, and the announce also talked about how the tournaments werent shit since goku and friends stopped going.
Also Videl got her ass absolutely destroyed by spopovich
IIRC they made a junior division because of Goku and Krillin entering into the tournament in prior years, and it's all televised now so kids vs adults probably not a good idea.
Honestly we have no idea what the quality of the fighters are now. All fights now would be just regular fisticuffs, so duh Mr Announcer thinks they're boring. I would too, it's probably like watching real regular wrestling.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
So a little while back I criticized the Dragon Ball Super manga for being a shoddy and boring piece of work that doesn't even touch Toriyama's original manga. My position hasn't changed, but what I have found is
A blog dedicated to examining Dragonball as a comic book and as a piece of sequential art.
If you have the time, I would highly recommend going through the blog posts, and see just what a work of art Toriyama's original work was. When going through it, I became dumbstruck at the realization that instead of careful planning and consideration, most of this stuff just came to him naturally.
A blog dedicated to examining Dragonball as a comic book and as a piece of sequential art.
If you have the time, I would highly recommend going through the blog posts, and see just what a work of art Toriyama's original work was. When going through it, I became dumbstruck at the realization that instead of careful planning and consideration, most of this stuff just came to him naturally.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
is this blog made by someone named mistarefusion by chance
I read through his prologue piece about General Blue. It really did reflect the times. Back then it was seen as bad to be homosexual, and the transphobia is obviously there. Watching through the sections with him in the anime is particularly cringe-worthy due to how the adaptation chose go about it, but it's how he showed it's less pronounced in the manga.
I'll definitely be reading through these if I'm bored. How he highlighted the character poses in relation to obvious emotion was good, and the rest of his stuff seems to be more about that. I've read a bit of another book that looks at comic books, composition, emotion and the like but it only touched slightly on manga (most notably bringing up that it's the only comic type with scenery->scenery panel transitions).
*edit: Dude downplays a lot of stuff in his blog posts on Staff Officer Black. I mean, most black people by Toriyama are golliwogs. It's about as racist as it gets. Can't really excuse it with saying 1980s Japan was racist - because that just drives the point home instead, lol. And he shot a guy, then planned to take over the world. His name was Black.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
No, this is a different one that focuses more on panel to panel stuff while mistarefusion is a video series that focuses more on the arcs, the history, and the characters.
I am a fan of his dissections however.
The Silver
Member
Of course you wanna ignore the power level from the official damn databook, cause it completely destroys your argument, must be really convenient; lol come on bruh you're done here.
Did I say that Chi Chi was landing hits on Goku? I'm pretty sure I specifically talked about how she was jumping and fighting in the air like the superhuman characters do, you must have forgot.
The announcer quote when taken in isolation, one could assume he's just talking about the Z-Fighters, when you take then in addition to seeing guys like Hercule, Jewel, and Spopovich making it to the final rounds, it's as clear as it can possibly be that the quality of the fighters drastically went down overall.
Already addressed Spopovich, read the other post.
I like how you try to downplay Goku by saying he "barely lifted it", he picked it up and threw it, something beyond what any normal human like Hercule could do. Also cool ignoring him pushing the giant boulder, fighting giant monsters and leaping off mountains. Don't even try to equate that shit to pulling buses and breaking 14 bricks.(he couldn't even get through all of them) Do you think Hercule could take an axe to the head? Kid Goku pre Roshi took one and brushed it off, but it must be a throwaway gag since it's not convenient for you.
Of course he tries to dodge bullets when he can, they still hurt him, he literally says those things hurt, did you forget? You keep trying to posit that it was all some looney tunes/Arale shit when nothing in the series contradicts him being able to tank bullets. Unlike when you have a Hercule scene where we obviously know in "reality" he would never survive a serious hit by Cell or Buu. And like I said before it doesn't even matter if you throw out the bullet thing, Goku has so much more shit that puts him over any normal human.
And then she used up all the money super quick. Toei has always written the character weird and arguably inconsistent.
Claude Augario
Member
Did they even say what she spent all the money on?
How does a data book that doesn't mention Videl mean anything? lol.
Goku struggled a lot with picking up the car before tossing it. Satan pulled buses easy peasy. Bloody legend.
And yeah, I'd take the axe to the head to be a gag during that fight since things weren't super serious. It was one of the shortest fights. At that point things hitting and breaking on Goku was a funny thing. Roshi took a blade to the head from Chi-Chi and it didn't do much either around the same time. Regardless Satan probably could, considering he survived an encounter with Tao while his master was killed. For a regular human the dude probably could do it. I believe.
Pan.
NeonZ
Member
He still felt the hit and was pushed back, even if the attack that didn't leave any lasting damage, something that even 17 and 18 couldn't do by that point.
A single blast Kikoho, with all his ki put into it, and killing himself immediately afterwards, only did very minor damage to Nappa, just breaking bits of his armor. So, it's not like the Kikoho has a history of multiplying the user's power by 10 times or more. Either way though, the performance of the Kikoho in the Saiyan Saga and Cell Saga is very different, but that precedent shows that shows that there's no precedent for it being some insanely high multiplier.
I was always under the impression that Chichi and Bulma were the type of wives that were happier when their husbands where away. You know miss them all after a while, good for a short spell, in Chichi's case complain when they talk about leaving, but are happier once they actually gone. They both understand the type of men they married and in he end are happy they are doing what makes them happy.
This is in stark contrast to the relationships between 18 & Krillian and Videl & Gohan.
Also love the portray of Whis as the gay best friend of the forever young hot mama Bulma
This is in stark contrast to the relationships between 18 & Krillian and Videl & Gohan.
Also love the portray of Whis as the gay best friend of the forever young hot mama Bulma
NeonZ
Member
Unless I'm missing something I don't think that ever happened (at least in the manga).
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First form cell versus second form cell in Ten's favor.
NeonZ
Member
Like I said, that doesn't seem to be in the manga. Right after Kuririn and Trunks catch up with Piccolo, Cell uses Taiyoken and escapes. After that Kuririn only meets Cell again when he's in the Semi-Perfect form again, and only actually attacks him (and is completely ignored) when he's in Perfect form. The old anime also had stuff like Tenshinhan and Yamcha beating up a Cell Jr. at one point by fighting 2 vs 1, or Yamcha in the Buu arc beating some guy who could keep up with Paikuhan (who had easily beaten Perfect Cell). The power fluctuations in anime-only scenes made little sense.
Krillin punched Perfect Cell meanwhile Tien was like "oh no" on the sidelines being a silly butt.
Saving the latest ep of Super until tomorrow. Meanwhile I've hit Goku arriving on Namek - it's almost time for that Faulconer goodness.
tbh I'd like to own it but it's a lot of volumes sold at a premium here in Aus. It sucks. The most I have is the first few volumes of DB.
Just curious. Why aren't you watching Kai?
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