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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later

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Takao said:
You can think the animation for the older shows looks good but believe it shouldn't be used in Super. The visual inconsistency is because the archive footage was done on cells 20 years ago when Toriyama had a bulkier art style. Super is done digitally with characters based on Toriyama's slimmer look. It was like that whenever Toei decided to "redraw" scenes in Kai as well. Smash cutting between the two just feels jarring.



That's debatable ... especially with the way Toei handled The Final Chapter.
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I actually like them using the old footage. It feels weird seeing a scene that looks completely different than how I originally watched it. Like in the Buu saga they redid the saiyan parts during Vegeta's monlogue
 
No matter how stupid Dragon Ball Super gets, there is no way it'll get Dragon Ball Heroes stupid.
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Let us all praise Kami for that.
 
KidA Seven said:
I actually like them using the old footage. It feels weird seeing a scene that looks completely different than how I originally watched it. Like in the Buu saga they redid the saiyan parts during Vegeta's monlogue
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It's pretty jarring no matter how you do it. Recently in One Piece, there was a flashback to a scene from hundreds of episodes ago. Instead of just showing old footage, Toei remade the scene with current One Piece character designs. It made it more consistent, but it was still weird seeing a character with his current bulky character design instead of his more slender one he had back then.
 
IDGAF about reusing the old footage because it's just a flashback.

A Pretty Panda said:
Why did they do this. I feel it's the worst thing about Kai
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I thought it was because they had to redraw shots that didn't work when cropped to 16:9?

Either they stopped redrawing stuff in the Kai Buu saga or they got good enough at it that it isn't noticeable anymore.
 
Considering how long it's been since DBZ ended, I'm ok with them starting out slow with Super and allowing the audience to catch up on what each Z member is up to. What bothers me is that some of the characters feel out of character to me. First the more minor culprit, Bulma wouldn't take Vegeta's actions THAT well, she'd get irritated and bitch all the time in Z and this doesn't take place all that much later than Z so it's not as if she aged and mellowed out. She'd accept that this is how Vegeta is but she'd still be irritated.

What really bothers me though and is my main complaint for Super thus far is how Goten and Trunks are portrayed. They appear as though they'd had a large regression. They come off as younger which doesn't make sense, Trunks has a completely different personality and most ridiculous of all is how weak they seem. These kids can turn super saiyan but you're telling me they can't one-shot a freaking snake? You'd think these are new kids Goku and Vegeta had after Z ended and it's just toddler shenanigans but after what they went through in the Buu saga, this is really jarring. Especially because with Toriyama ruining Gohan, all my hopes were on Goten becoming a bad ass so I was looking for him to progress. Now I know it's only two episodes in so it's silly to assume he isn't still strong and it's comforting to see him transform into a SSJ in the intro so there's still hope but the impressions thus far are decidedly a regression.
 
Squall ASF said:
Considering how long it's been since DBZ ended, I'm ok with them starting out slow with Super and allowing the audience to catch up on what each Z member is up to. What bothers me is that some of the characters feel out of character to me. First the more minor culprit, Bulma wouldn't take Vegeta's actions THAT well, she'd get irritated and bitch all the time in Z and this doesn't take place all that much later than Z so it's not as if she aged and mellowed out. She'd accept that this is how Vegeta is but she'd still be irritated.

What really bothers me though and is my main complaint for Super thus far is how Goten and Trunks are portrayed. They appear as though they'd had a large regression. They come off as younger which doesn't make sense, Trunks has a completely different personality and most ridiculous of all is how weak they seem. These kids can turn super saiyan but you're telling me they can't one-shot a freaking snake? You'd think these are new kids Goku and Vegeta had after Z ended and it's just toddler shenanigans but after what they went through in the Buu saga, this is really jarring. Especially because with Toriyama ruining Gohan, all my hopes were on Goten becoming a bad ass so I was looking for him to progress. Now I know it's only two episodes in so it's silly to assume he isn't still strong and it's comforting to see him transform into a SSJ in the intro so there's still hope but the impressions thus far are decidedly a regression.
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Meh...

I don't think they wanted to kill the snake or risk shooting it with their power. I mean DBZ always does this. How many times has Goku or Vegeta got hit or chased or whatever by their non powered wives. I mean Goku can block a SSJ Trunks using his sword with two fingers but can't dodge a frying pan or a Chi Chi slap.

It would be very boring if they used SSJ to solve everything and I don't think the kids or the viewer ever felt like they were in any real danger. It was more of a game of keep away and protecting the water jug from breaking.
 
Squall ASF said:
Considering how long it's been since DBZ ended, I'm ok with them starting out slow with Super and allowing the audience to catch up on what each Z member is up to. What bothers me is that some of the characters feel out of character to me. First the more minor culprit, Bulma wouldn't take Vegeta's actions THAT well, she'd get irritated and bitch all the time in Z and this doesn't take place all that much later than Z so it's not as if she aged and mellowed out. She'd accept that this is how Vegeta is but she'd still be irritated.

What really bothers me though and is my main complaint for Super thus far is how Goten and Trunks are portrayed. They appear as though they'd had a large regression. They come off as younger which doesn't make sense, Trunks has a completely different personality and most ridiculous of all is how weak they seem. These kids can turn super saiyan but you're telling me they can't one-shot a freaking snake? You'd think these are new kids Goku and Vegeta had after Z ended and it's just toddler shenanigans but after what they went through in the Buu saga, this is really jarring. Especially because with Toriyama ruining Gohan, all my hopes were on Goten becoming a bad ass so I was looking for him to progress. Now I know it's only two episodes in so it's silly to assume he isn't still strong and it's comforting to see him transform into a SSJ in the intro so there's still hope but the impressions thus far are decidedly a regression.
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The Buu saga occurred after all the major characters had a month of intense training to prepare for the world martial arts tournament. Everybody's been slacking on their training since Buu was defeated, so a regression in fighting power makes sense.
 
Takao said:
No matter how stupid Dragon Ball Super gets, there is no way it'll get Dragon Ball Heroes stupid.
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Let us all praise Kami for that.
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DBH basically makes DBZ fanfic wishes come true as an excuse to make more cards. Its pretty damn funny in that way.
 
the new toyotaro chapter is out

I love how they extend the fight against Beerus on Kaio's planet. I hope that looks good animated
 
Anth0ny said:
the new toyotaro chapter is out

I love how they extend the fight against Beerus on Kaio's planet. I hope that looks good animated
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More interesting is that Champa and femWhis are already showing up. Really makes me wonder what their deal is.
 
i'm not sure what's more dumb, though

the dbaf-esque ssj3 and 4 transformations to every character

or toriyama's new transformations being nothing but hair recolors






the struggle is real out here for dragon ball fans
 
Goten and Trunks toying with a regular big snake is a bit mundane, yeah, but it's also peacetime at the moment. They probably don't have any more "serious" shit to do, so it seemed believable/enjoyable to me.

Heroes looks absurd. I was browsing the DB Wiki the other day...it's just mind-boggling how much weird shit is a part of Heroes.
 
Goliath said:
Meh...

I don't think they wanted to kill the snake or risk shooting it with their power. I mean DBZ always does this. How many times has Goku or Vegeta got hit or chased or whatever by their non powered wives. I mean Goku can block a SSJ Trunks using his sword with two fingers but can't dodge a frying pan or a Chi Chi slap.

It would be very boring if they used SSJ to solve everything and I don't think the kids or the viewer ever felt like they were in any real danger. It was more of a game of keep away and protecting the water jug from breaking.
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I didn't say anything about killing it or going full power. I'm saying a light punch by them should have instantly defeated that snake. If Toriyama wanted to make them dodge a while because they didn't want to hurt it or something that'd be fine but when Trunks finally had enough, should have just taking one light punch to take it out and not the level of assault he did.
Parallax Scroll said:
The Buu saga occurred after all the major characters had a month of intense training to prepare for the world martial arts tournament. Everybody's been slacking on their training since Buu was defeated, so a regression in fighting power makes sense.
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You're seriously trying to tell me that some time off would cause that level of regression? To where they can't effortlessly take out a freaking snake in a single blow? C'mon, son! It hasn't even been long since Buu was defeated anyway. Also, I doubt Vegeta has allowed Trunks to fully slack off.
 
Squall ASF said:
I didn't say anything about killing it or going full power. I'm saying a light punch by them should have instantly defeated that snake. If Toriyama wanted to make them dodge a while because they didn't want to hurt it or something that'd be fine but when Trunks finally had enough, should have just taking one light punch to take it out and not the level of assault he did.

You're seriously trying to tell me that some time off would cause that level of regression? To where they can't effortlessly take out a freaking snake in a single blow? C'mon, son! It hasn't even been long since Buu was defeated anyway. Also, I doubt Vegeta has allowed Trunks to fully slack off.
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They're kids. They goof off. They make poor decisions. It's not surprising that they don't scare off a wild animal in the most efficient way possible.
 
Parallax Scroll said:
They're kids. They goof off. They make poor decisions. It's not surprising that they don't scare off a wild animal in the most efficient way possible.
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Yeah that's the part I'm cool with and so how long it took didn't bother me. I'm simply saying with their strength level, when Trunks finally decided the snake needed to go, a simple punch without powering up should have instantly defeated it. Maybe if he acted like he wanted to toy with it it wouldn't have been so bad but he was irritated at that point and was looking to send it flying. They are kids, their goofing off, not taking the fight seriously, etc. etc. but just by raw strength alone, that snake would have been toast from one punch.

Anyway, I know it's not going to stay like this and they'll eventually get serious against more formidable foes and display a lot more power. I'm just speaking to what we've seen so far and what I feel is off. As I mentioned before, it shows Goten go SSJ in the opening credits so we know that will change.
 
Well, their only opponent in this first arc is Beerus and maybe Champa if they change the climax of BoG quite a bit, and they have no chance at all against either one.

If they give them an active role in the RoF story though, I hope that doesn't come at the cost of the human characters, compared to the movie. I really don't want to see Tenshinhan having trouble with henchmen just to give Goten and Trunks something to do after he had no problems at all against them in the movie version.
 
Squall ASF said:
I didn't say anything about killing it or going full power. I'm saying a light punch by them should have instantly defeated that snake. If Toriyama wanted to make them dodge a while because they didn't want to hurt it or something that'd be fine but when Trunks finally had enough, should have just taking one light punch to take it out and not the level of assault he did.
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Power levels made simple.

Fans think about this stuff waaaaaaay more than anyone who's ever written for the series has.


edit: I don't want to say the kids can't grow beyond the comedy relief role they were designed for, but their unique combat mode is even wackier than the two are apart, and the series has already gone down the whole "the son takes training seriously and surpasses his father" route. They'll probably get to run support like all the other not-Goku and Vegeta fighters, but taking on significant roles? Not seeing it.
 
zero shift said:
So how is the show so far? I'm reading the thread and can't find too many comments on the actual quality of th show.
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I think it's been pretty great so far! I'm not the most devoted of DBZ fans so I can't give a great comparison to DBZ, but the show is coming off light-hearted, it has good humor, and the looming threat of Beerus is interesting. My only concern with the show is that every protagonist who isn't Goku or Vegeta is so underpowered by now that they'll likely be useless in the big fights.
 
maniac-kun said:
Interesting. So
the story is going to be different after reading Manga Chapter 2. Not a 1:1 retelling of the movies.
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yeah

the manga is moving a lot faster than the anime too. i guess that some of these episodes are filler.

the manga looks gorgeous though. toriyama's lines are so clean
 
Diablos54 said:
Isn't the anime the source material in this instance?
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What's probably happening is that Toriyama wrote up a big long outline for the series that the anime and manga are being adapted from independently of one another, and the manga has to cut anything that isn't essential to the plot due to being a monthly series with a limited number of pages to work with. Could be that the anime writers are making all of the extra scenes up as they go to pad things out a bit though. Impossible to know for certain.
 
The manga is monthly, while the anime is weekly, both are based on Toriyama's outline of the story, but interpreted and filled in by different people. Right now It's hard to know if the manga is cutting parts of it or if the anime crew are adding more content to it without looking at the outline itself.

Of course, considering how much these two episodes felt like DBZ filler, I wouldn't be surprised if the manga is actually closer to Toriyama's outline, at least for these two chapters. I can't see it keeping this pace though, especially if they're adding new content to BoGs with Champa being around already.
 
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