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Dragon Ball Super |OT5| Zenophobia
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RocknRola
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9 12 and 13 are the god tier of Dragon Ball animation never to be topped.
Those and Bojack. I'd probably give it to Fusion Reborn for some of the inventive and colourful stuff in there.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I know about some Paradise Grass
Undead Fantasy
Member
Before Resurrection F, Bojack was my favorite movie. I need to see it again.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yep. Excited for this.
Watched Bojack just now since I totally forgot to see that one. Non existing story lol. But such beautiful art and animation. It's totally unfair to compare a movie to a series that runs an episode each week for months or even years on end, but I wish Super would have this type of quality art and animation. I'd totally prefer a season approach, 10-20 episodes each year, if that would mean this type of quality in its animation.
Snake Way has never looked that good before.
Snake Way has never looked that good before.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
All of the pre-BOG movies are remixes of manga arcs with even shallower villains and bad pacing.
That's not to say that some aren't enjoyable, but the post-SSJ ones can be really rough.
That's not to say that some aren't enjoyable, but the post-SSJ ones can be really rough.
oh god make it stop
I know. Like, they complain that Metal Cooler doesn't work in the canon but don't mention that Coolers Revenge literally can't work in the canon either because Goku in that movie can't control going Super Saiyan, yet when Goku returns to Earth he can.
I don't think there's a single DBZ movie that works in terms of canon.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Bojack works in the canon I think. Unfortunately, it's still the Bojack movie.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Trunks came back to visit in Bojack if I'm not mistaken.
1) Zamasu can hold his own for the sake of spectacle only, he is completely trashed afterwards.
2) if Zamasu is stronger than Trunks and can even annoy Blue Goku, he could have just made Black stronger directly
3) Vegeta spent 3 fucking years in the time chamber and said he was at his limit. Nobody could expect that dumb retcon. Just like nobody could expect Trunks to match them.
Sorry if I don't buy into the rage boost that easily, it's lazy writing and it feels like an excuse to provide entertainment more than it justifies the inconsistencies.
Undead Fantasy
Member
Trunks did go to the past one more time after killing Future Cell.
Of all the movies, this one fits the most.
Pretty good ordering tbh. Of the original run minus the TV specials, movies 1 and 2 are basically the only ones I really truly like and then after that they all turn into noise for me.
Did he ?
I thought he was setting up his time machine to lure Cell out.
He had no use for it.
The Trunks that Cell killed was an entirely different Trunks.
NeonZ
Member
In the Bojack movie itself it's mentioned that he had returned to tell them about how he had beaten the Androids. And the recharging of the time machine for another trip back did happen in canon.
The Bojack movie also addresses Vegeta getting over his end of Cell Saga depression (he promises he'll never fight anymore, but is just fine four chapters later in the Buu Saga), even if briefly.
Undead Fantasy
Member
Holy crap what a terrible list.
I like Bojack because of the Gohan focus, it arguably could fit in the canon even if it doesn't, and that tournament setup at the beginning is fun for how brief it is.
Watched the TFS Broly abridged finally. I liked the "Gohan I need you to let go" part.
Not sure if I like Fusion Reborn or Bojack more, but I've still yet to watch Wrath of the Dragon
Watched the TFS Broly abridged finally. I liked the "Gohan I need you to let go" part.
Not sure if I like Fusion Reborn or Bojack more, but I've still yet to watch Wrath of the Dragon
My list:
20. Bio-Broly: Mudman. Need I say more?
19. Lord Slug: Only redeeming feature was false super saiyan. Uncool villain.
18. Broly Second Coming: Gohan and Piccolo scene was great, but then ruined by unexplained Krillin. This movie was unnecessary.
17. Super Android 13: Android designs are so random, plus IMO their fusion looked dumb. Opening scene only redeeming feature.
16. Yo! Son Goku and his friends return!!: I was desperate for some new DB at the time, so I appreciate that this exists, but it's closer to a filler movie than anything.
15. Episode of Bardock: Bardock returning is kind of cool, but it felt kind of uninspired story-wise.
14. Coolers Revenge: Awesome villain, decent goons, lacking story though. Goku killing him was sweet.
13. Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans: I love the Tuffles being a thing, and the ghost warriors was kind of cool, also F. Trunks is in it. Ultimately the concept was paper thin besides the main villain.
12. Worlds Strongest: I feel like the early movies had more tension since they couldn't blow up planets at the drop of a dime. Also the villain looked DB-ish, and I have a soft spot for the DB-DBZ transitional period.
11. Broly Legendary Super Saiyan: Everything except roid rage Broly is pretty cool. Broly's normal design, Vegeta possibly becoming a prince again, and the final fight itself gets a pass in my book. This movie would be remembered much more fondly if they didn't make sequels.
10. Resurrection of F: Movie was decent up until the time rewind and Goku stealing the kill. If the movie ended before that happen, it'd be way higher on the list
9. Dead Zone: Similar to Worlds Strongest, this movie was great that it showed how strong Goku has become from his DB days. The fighting was on a smaller scale, and the bad guys didn't need to be universe destroyers to be a threat.
8. Bojack Unbound: Teen Gohan 'Nuff Said
7. Return of Cooler: Vegeta stole this movie, and the final scene where they worked together I think was the first time that in the "timeline" for it to have happened.
6. Tree of MIght: Turles is the original Goku Black, and he had the best saiyan armor in all of DB IMO. The Tree of might setting was very unique, and the action was right at that sweet spot where DB became DBZ.
5. Fusion Reborn: Janemba's design, Gogeta, and the jelly bean setting.
4. Bardock The Father of Goku: Bardock is a great character, and his story is canon. It really adds to Goku's story and makes the end of the Frieza saga much more satisfying. Also, the more footage of the original Saiyans, the better.
3. Battle of Gods: Introduction of Beerus, Whis, Super Saiyan God, and ultimately the fucking return of DB in general.
2. Wrath of the Dragon: Tapion is dope, and SSJ3 Goku using Dragon Fist is easily top 5 fight moments in all of DB.
1. History of Trunks: This is my #1 solely because the whole F. Trunks arc with the Cell Saga and the G. Black saga is so good. F. Trunks arc overall is probably the best in DB in my opinion, and Future Gohan was such a good iteration of Gohan (especially compared to Gohan in Super)
20. Bio-Broly: Mudman. Need I say more?
19. Lord Slug: Only redeeming feature was false super saiyan. Uncool villain.
18. Broly Second Coming: Gohan and Piccolo scene was great, but then ruined by unexplained Krillin. This movie was unnecessary.
17. Super Android 13: Android designs are so random, plus IMO their fusion looked dumb. Opening scene only redeeming feature.
16. Yo! Son Goku and his friends return!!: I was desperate for some new DB at the time, so I appreciate that this exists, but it's closer to a filler movie than anything.
15. Episode of Bardock: Bardock returning is kind of cool, but it felt kind of uninspired story-wise.
14. Coolers Revenge: Awesome villain, decent goons, lacking story though. Goku killing him was sweet.
13. Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans: I love the Tuffles being a thing, and the ghost warriors was kind of cool, also F. Trunks is in it. Ultimately the concept was paper thin besides the main villain.
12. Worlds Strongest: I feel like the early movies had more tension since they couldn't blow up planets at the drop of a dime. Also the villain looked DB-ish, and I have a soft spot for the DB-DBZ transitional period.
11. Broly Legendary Super Saiyan: Everything except roid rage Broly is pretty cool. Broly's normal design, Vegeta possibly becoming a prince again, and the final fight itself gets a pass in my book. This movie would be remembered much more fondly if they didn't make sequels.
10. Resurrection of F: Movie was decent up until the time rewind and Goku stealing the kill. If the movie ended before that happen, it'd be way higher on the list
9. Dead Zone: Similar to Worlds Strongest, this movie was great that it showed how strong Goku has become from his DB days. The fighting was on a smaller scale, and the bad guys didn't need to be universe destroyers to be a threat.
8. Bojack Unbound: Teen Gohan 'Nuff Said
7. Return of Cooler: Vegeta stole this movie, and the final scene where they worked together I think was the first time that in the "timeline" for it to have happened.
6. Tree of MIght: Turles is the original Goku Black, and he had the best saiyan armor in all of DB IMO. The Tree of might setting was very unique, and the action was right at that sweet spot where DB became DBZ.
5. Fusion Reborn: Janemba's design, Gogeta, and the jelly bean setting.
4. Bardock The Father of Goku: Bardock is a great character, and his story is canon. It really adds to Goku's story and makes the end of the Frieza saga much more satisfying. Also, the more footage of the original Saiyans, the better.
3. Battle of Gods: Introduction of Beerus, Whis, Super Saiyan God, and ultimately the fucking return of DB in general.
2. Wrath of the Dragon: Tapion is dope, and SSJ3 Goku using Dragon Fist is easily top 5 fight moments in all of DB.
1. History of Trunks: This is my #1 solely because the whole F. Trunks arc with the Cell Saga and the G. Black saga is so good. F. Trunks arc overall is probably the best in DB in my opinion, and Future Gohan was such a good iteration of Gohan (especially compared to Gohan in Super)
I'm with you on this. I honestly think I like most of the pre-SSJ movies more than the post-SSJ movies, with a few exceptions. The stakes feel smaller but more contained and perhaps a bit more personal.
Icyflamez96
Member
Broly is as personal as it gets
But that movie * worked * in the canon. It wasn't canon.
I saw the Bojack movie long after the final Trunks episode, and to me it was a set up.
And Super confirmed that.
So Trunks didn't go back to the past.
One of the things I love about movies 1 and 2 is that they have such a strong sense of place. Garlic Jr's castle and Wheelo's lab were great locations and I loved seeing the characters have to actually navigate through a place. In the later movies it feels like the characters are always just fighting in an open field somewhere.
The first few movies actually had a storyline. Most of the movies up until the last few were really lacking in plot. Lets be honest, most watchers were just in it for the crazy fights.
flaxknuckles
Member
I hated Wrath of The Dragon because Vegeta got destroyed right after an incredibly badass entrance, Gohan didn't do crap after the first part of the movie, and Goku straight up stole Kid Trunk's kill even after the lil dude was the only one to harm the monster and was about to chop it's ass up.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Webfoot is trying to get it made, but they don't have the rights.
Host Samurai
Member
You can easily bullshit a few movies into the canon.
Movie 1 - Pre Raditz
Movie 2 - Can't happen
Movie 3 - Can't happen
Movie 4 - Pre Androids
Movie 5 - Pre Androids
Movie 6 - Debatable - Pre Androids
Movie 7 - Debatable - Before Cell Games
Movie 8 - Pre Cell Games
Movie 9 - Post Cell
Movie 10 - Before the World Tournament
Movie 11 - Before the World Tournament
Movie 12 - Can't happen
Movie 13 - Pre timeskip
So only movies 2. 3 & 12 are impossible to bullshit into the canon due to Goku or his friends being dead or on Namek. If Piccolo didn't die than I would say that it would have been possible for movie 2 to happen.
Movie 1 - Pre Raditz
Movie 2 - Can't happen
Movie 3 - Can't happen
Movie 4 - Pre Androids
Movie 5 - Pre Androids
Movie 6 - Debatable - Pre Androids
Movie 7 - Debatable - Before Cell Games
Movie 8 - Pre Cell Games
Movie 9 - Post Cell
Movie 10 - Before the World Tournament
Movie 11 - Before the World Tournament
Movie 12 - Can't happen
Movie 13 - Pre timeskip
So only movies 2. 3 & 12 are impossible to bullshit into the canon due to Goku or his friends being dead or on Namek. If Piccolo didn't die than I would say that it would have been possible for movie 2 to happen.
Krilin met Gohan the day Goku got killed. Movie 1 can't happen.
Host Samurai
Member
A pillar falls on his head in movie 1. I am also trying to bullshit the moves in the canon so not everything will line up perfectly.
NeonZ
Member
There's a narration box that says that Trunks had finally gathered enough energy to go back to the past and tell everyone about how he had defeated the Androids.
Yes, apparently in Super Toei and Toriyama overlooked that scene and forgot Trunks should have visited the past once more, but if you look at the original material there was nothing indicating that it was just a trick.
Yes but at first Trunks acts normally, because Cell doesn't know about the time machine, it always felt like a set up because when Trunks kills Cell, he then says "it's all over now..." and thanks Goku and the others. Which is a weird thing to do if he intended to go see them right away.
And since Trunks was never ever brought up or mentioned afterwards, it comforted me into thinking that.
Cell is a master of stealth and can't be underestimated. Nobody knew about Trunks' time machine so for Cell to know about it, that meant he or his robot spies did spy on Trunks.
Our Trunks just lured him out so that he wouldn't suspect anything.
So Super had the same assumption.
Rapscallion
Member
Sorry for the slightly off topic question:
Just started watching the original Dragon Ball and was thoroughly enjoying the first few episodes on Hulu, but then after episode 6 they stopped offering the dubbed version. I went and checked to see if I could do a trial of funimation's streaming service app and watch it there. Same deal. The dub only goes up to episode 6, at least on the app.
What's the deal? What other legal options do I have for watching the dub of Dragonball? Should I look into the DVDs?
Just started watching the original Dragon Ball and was thoroughly enjoying the first few episodes on Hulu, but then after episode 6 they stopped offering the dubbed version. I went and checked to see if I could do a trial of funimation's streaming service app and watch it there. Same deal. The dub only goes up to episode 6, at least on the app.
What's the deal? What other legal options do I have for watching the dub of Dragonball? Should I look into the DVDs?
ArchedThunder
Banned
IT'S KRILLER TIME!
So DBSuper is having killer ratings in Italia.
Millions of viewers, doing really good.
The french version is pretty much still born at this point.
It landed on a tv channel that nobody had heard of before getting DBS, and they are cutting out entire scenes because of their nonsensical censorship (stuff like punches, yes punches are being edited out... You might think getting fucking DRAGON BALL and removing punches might be the stupidest thing that's ever been made but hey, good for you shitty channel).
On top of that, they are also speeding up the footage to match their "planned" run time, which alters the voice performances (higher).
This is a disaster. Their only answer was "we target young children so we can't let everything in", why did you get dragon ball then ?!
The voice actors were doing a decent job, so it's a shame because it's been entirely butchered.
It's getting a lot of bad buzz now.
France is now the only country that doesn't have access to simulcast, any kind of streaming, AND a decent unaltered version of the show.
So they're gonna tell us that french fans don't exist because we refuse to buy their overpriced blurays lol.
Millions of viewers, doing really good.
The french version is pretty much still born at this point.
It landed on a tv channel that nobody had heard of before getting DBS, and they are cutting out entire scenes because of their nonsensical censorship (stuff like punches, yes punches are being edited out... You might think getting fucking DRAGON BALL and removing punches might be the stupidest thing that's ever been made but hey, good for you shitty channel).
On top of that, they are also speeding up the footage to match their "planned" run time, which alters the voice performances (higher).
This is a disaster. Their only answer was "we target young children so we can't let everything in", why did you get dragon ball then ?!
The voice actors were doing a decent job, so it's a shame because it's been entirely butchered.
It's getting a lot of bad buzz now.
France is now the only country that doesn't have access to simulcast, any kind of streaming, AND a decent unaltered version of the show.
So they're gonna tell us that french fans don't exist because we refuse to buy their overpriced blurays lol.
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