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[Prophane33]

Stolen from another board:

Great, I spent all that time translating and all I ask was that if it's reposted credit is given. Guess I won't be doing the rest after all.

 

[jj984jj]

We won't be getting them. We get first day sales for games that are released on Thursday. We get those on Friday. The sales week runs Monday-Sunday. DQ was released on Saturday.

So on Wednesday or possibly Tuesday depending on if the numbers get leaked, we'll get "first week" numbers which will be the first two days of DQ sales.

Maybe Famitsu will tell us before the numbers leak, sometimes they do for launches like this.

 

[Lee N]

Unfortunately because of the DQ resolution, the furigana is almost unreadable most of the time even though it's there.

Judging from screenshots I've seen so far, it's not that bad. Maybe if you're not comfortable with hiragana then it might be a problem to see individual strokes but it seems like it would do the job to me.

I'm surprised more developers haven't gone the Phantom Hourglass route for furigana though, I really liked what Nintendo did there.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Great, I spent all that time translating and all I ask was that if it's reposted credit is given. Guess I won't be doing the rest after all.

That seems kinda dickish of you but that's just me. I was thinking of doing it anyway since I could use the practice.
*takes look at stolen translation*
Yeah, I wouldn't be clamoring to have credit for that.

Judging from screenshots I've seen so far, it's not that bad. Maybe if you're not comfortable with hiragana then it might be a problem to see individual strokes but it seems like it would do the job to me.

I'm surprised more developers haven't gone the Phantom Hourglass route for furigana though, I really liked what Nintendo did there.

I haven't had a problem with it yet.

 

[Prophane33]

That seems kinda dickish of you but that's just me. I was thinking of doing it anyway since I could use the practice.

On the original board where I posted the translations I gave explicit instructions stating to give credit if someone repost them elsewhere. Basically I implied that anyone could go ahead and repost them that's why I'm putting them on the internet instead of keeping them to myself or in my head as usual. However, when someone can't even follow the one little thing I wrote about throwing in a credit that's just silly. I've never had problems with this in the past. However, it's things like this that keeps my translations few and far between.

If you would like to continue to translate the rest/and post corrections (some are needed) than by all means continue. I look forward to your work.

 

[Lee N]

On the original board where I posted the translations I gave explicit instructions stating to give credit if someone repost them elsewhere. Basically I implied that anyone could go ahead and repost them that's why I'm putting them on the internet instead of keeping them to myself or in my head as usual. However, when someone can't even follow the one little thing I wrote about throwing in a credit that's just silly. I've never had problems with this in the past. However, it's things like this that keeps my translations few and far between.

Why do you crave credit all that much? Since you're already a member of NeoGAF you could've posted it here yourself, but since you didn't you left it open to others copying your work.

And even then, they didn't claim it was their own so it's not like they stole it from you. It's far more likely that they just went ahead to the meat of your original post (that is the actual translations) simply skipping past your "EULA".

If you wan't to help people, that's awesome. If you don't want to help people, that's fine too. But don't bring the drama because someone neglected to read whatever requirements you had in your original post.

 

[mattiewheels]

if anyone wants detailed instructions on what exactly you need to do at any point, this guy posted a walkthrough:

http://ameblo.jp/koulinovesperia/

 

[Aeana]

Just finished the Beckseria events.

Spoiler

There's a song that plays that starts off identically to "These feelings" from DQ8, and as soon as I was thinking that he may have reused a song, it started to change. I'm starting to wonder, though, if the similarities between songs is really 'fanservice' or if Sugiyama is just starting to run out of juice... :\

 

[Y2Kev]

It sounds good hearing that the sidequests are just sidequests, and I do like that they are numbered. You can tell if you miss one and want to go out and find it. Does it look like the game might have regional inflections/dialects when it is translated? Do the regions have distinct "area" feels?

 

[speedpop]

Just finished the Beckseria events.

Spoiler

There's a song that plays that starts off identically to "These feelings" from DQ8, and as soon as I was thinking that he may have reused a song, it started to change. I'm starting to wonder, though, if the similarities between songs is really 'fanservice' or if Sugiyama is just starting to run out of juice... :\

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There have been comments in the past that his latest efforts were not as memorable but I never perceived it that way. Hopefully the music from DQ9 is just his own homage to a series that is also his own baby in a way, rather than the creative steam simply running out. He did state that taking a step back from the technological leap gave him nostalgic feelings so perhaps that is why things might sound similar. He better not take the easy mode or I'll cry.

 

[chicken_ramen]

Why do you crave credit all that much? Since you're already a member of NeoGAF you could've posted it here yourself, but since you didn't you left it open to others copying your work.

And even then, they didn't claim it was their own so it's not like they stole it from you. It's far more likely that they just went ahead to the meat of your original post (that is the actual translations) simply skipping past your "EULA".

If you wan't to help people, that's awesome. If you don't want to help people, that's fine too. But don't bring the drama because someone neglected to read whatever requirements you had in your original post.

I don't think this is the right argument. Moral rights are fairly universally accepted (and protected) across the developed world. They're also at the base level of all the CC type copyleft stuff. Attribution is courtesy.

The rest, following that, is just a silly argument that disregards everything that copyright is. Again, this isn't the silly, draconian level of copyright that everybody hates, this is the base, sane level of copyright that everybody likes.

But, as you said, nobody claimed this was their own work, or acted in such a way to make people think it was theirs. A link back to the thread would probably have been enough. The guy who copied it probably just didn't think to do it. I don't know. The best argument is probably that the lack of attribution was not malicious, this is the internet. But to act as though wanting attribution is the insane idea of an arrogant person is a little out there as a standpoint. And the idea that these are terrible translations that no one should want their name next to, therefore disregarding the wishes of the author is cool, is an even worse one.

 

[RevenantKioku]

I don't think this is the right argument. Moral rights are fairly universally accepted (and protected) across the developed world. They're also at the base level of all the CC type copyleft stuff. Attribution is courtesy.

The rest, following that, is just a silly argument that disregards everything that copyright is. Again, this isn't the silly, draconian level of copyright that everybody hates, this is the base, sane level of copyright that everybody likes.

But, as you said, nobody claimed this was their own work, or acted in such a way to make people think it was theirs. A link back to the thread would probably have been enough. The guy who copied it probably just didn't think to do it. I don't know. The best argument is probably that the lack of attribution was not malicious, this is the internet. But to act as though wanting attribution is the insane idea of an arrogant person is a little out there as a standpoint. And the idea that these are terrible translations that no one should want their name next to, therefore disregarding the wishes of the author is cool, is an even worse one.

Equip all job's swords

 

[chicken_ramen]

Equip all job's swords

I didn't look under the spoiler tags. I guess I probably should have if I wanted to argue about it. This is still probably a week away from getting to me.

I need to keep out of this thread.

 

[Aeana]

Wanting credit for something you did is fine, but honestly, if you don't want your work to show up somewhere uncredited, don't post it on an internet forum. It's going to happen. I'd think people are used to that stuff by now.

I personally really don't care about being credited or anything. I post translations and stuff to help people, and so I actually want it to be spread to people who need the help. That's what it's for. I kind of think people who whine for credit are just in it for the e-glory and not to help anybody, and that bothers me.

 

[chicken_ramen]

Wanting credit for something you did is fine, but honestly, if you don't want your work to show up somewhere uncredited, don't post it on the internet. It's going to happen. I'd think people are used to that stuff by now.

I personally really don't care about being credited or anything. I post translations and stuff to help people, and so I actually want it to be spread to people who need the help. That's what it's for. I kind of think people who whine for credit are just in it for the e-glory and not to help anybody, and that bothers me.

That's how I feel when I've done the same in the past, personally I figure the text is the text and my slapdash translations exist only to help those who need them not for any personal reason, but other people can feel differently. I dunno.


Game looks great.

 

[Lee N]

I don't think this is the right argument. Moral rights are fairly universally accepted (and protected) across the developed world. They're also at the base level of all the CC type copyleft stuff. Attribution is courtesy.

No, i think it's fair to request attribution. That wasn't my point.

I do, however, think it's silly to go all drama queen and refuse to translate anything in the future simply because someone neglected to read his EULA.

Also; Translations are derivative works and Prophane33 neglected to give Square-Enix and Level 5 any credit (I found his original post via Google), so he's just as guilty himself. All he did was to demand that people credit him.

 

[sprsk]

Just killed a metal slime!
Leveled up my whole party too. Hell yeah.

 

[chicken_ramen]

No, i think it's fair to request attribution. That wasn't my point.

I do, however, think it's silly to go all drama queen and refuse to translate anything in the future simply because someone neglected to read his EULA.

Also; Translations are derivative works and Prophane33 neglected to give Square-Enix and Level 5 any credit (I found his original post via Google), so he's just as guilty himself. All he did was to demand that people credit him.

Well played.

 

[mattiewheels]

what does it mean when i have a lot of greyed-out skills in my battle options that i can never use?

 

[Aeana]

what does it mean when i have a lot of greyed-out skills in my battle options that i can never use?

That you don't have the required weapon equipped.

 

[john tv]

Just killed a metal slime!
Leveled up my whole party too. Hell yeah.

I killed two of 'em earlier -- felt great! First one hadn't noticed me, which made it a cinch (especially having already learned Metal Cut). Good times.

 

[Aeana]

I've finally arrived at

Spoiler

Dharma

! I can't wait to mess with job stuff later on when I get time to play some more.

The last few events have been really cool. This game is truly a Dragon Quest game through and through. It's hard to explain exactly what that means, but it's just given me a feeling that only these games can give, and it's really something special.

 

[Shouta]

Just killed a metal slime!
Leveled up my whole party too. Hell yeah.

I killed a bunch of them earlier myself. Despite it, I'm only level 20. :lol

Anyway, I'm kind of annoyed at the game not having a target confirmation when there's only one enemy on screen. I accidently hit it too fast and I select the wrong commands. >=|

 

[john tv]

I've finally arrived at

Spoiler

Dharma

! I can't wait to mess with job stuff later on when I get time to play some more.

The last few events have been really cool. This game is truly a Dragon Quest game through and through. It's hard to explain exactly what that means, but it's just given me a feeling that only these games can give, and it's really something special.

I know exactly what you mean. I didn't like the first hour or so too much but since then it's been pretty awesome. The whole bit with

Spoiler

the dream up at Yggdrasil and the mysterious being blocking the attack on the human world

was great. I loved the whole

Spoiler

black knight

story arc, too. Classic DQ.

 

[rhino4evr]

On the original board where I posted the translations I gave explicit instructions stating to give credit if someone repost them elsewhere. Basically I implied that anyone could go ahead and repost them that's why I'm putting them on the internet instead of keeping them to myself or in my head as usual. However, when someone can't even follow the one little thing I wrote about throwing in a credit that's just silly. I've never had problems with this in the past. However, it's things like this that keeps my translations few and far between.

If you would like to continue to translate the rest/and post corrections (some are needed) than by all means continue. I look forward to your work.

CRY MOAR

 

[darkhunger]

Just finished the Beckseria events.

Spoiler

There's a song that plays that starts off identically to "These feelings" from DQ8, and as soon as I was thinking that he may have reused a song, it started to change. I'm starting to wonder, though, if the similarities between songs is really 'fanservice' or if Sugiyama is just starting to run out of juice... :\

Should be intentional according to this interview: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/02/04/sugiyama_on_dqix_music/

For long time fans of the Dragon Quest series, Sugiyama revealed that DQIX will have scenes with songs from parts one through eight.

Since I haven't heard anything that were grabbed directly from 1~8 so far (aside from the standard church/intermezzo/whatever themes), I assume he's referring to certain musical cues that make reference to past music? I notice that a section of the

Spoiler

castle music is reminiscent of DQ1's castle theme too

 

[sprsk]

I killed two of 'em earlier -- felt great! First one hadn't noticed me, which made it a cinch (especially having already learned Metal Cut). Good times.

Yeah, I have no sword users in my party so I got a lucky crit and got him.

I'm at the same spot as Aeana now and I can't wait to get into some of the advanced classes.

 

[Aeana]

Should be intentional according to this interview: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/02/04/sugiyama_on_dqix_music/



Since I haven't heard anything that were grabbed directly from 1~8 so far (aside from the standard church/intermezzo/whatever themes), I assume he's referring to certain musical cues that make reference to past music? I notice that a section of the

Spoiler

castle music is reminiscent of DQ1's castle theme too

Yeah, I guess I know what he means. Especially after hearing the music at

Spoiler

Dharma

. Wow, that's pretty cool.

 

[mattiewheels]

another silly question: can i set my party's tactics? i think i hit a screen where you can, but i'm in the dark.

 

[Aeana]

another silly question: can i set my party's tactics? i think i hit a screen where you can, but i'm in the dark.

Out of battle:
さくせん → さくせんがえ → Here you can set the tactics for each member, whether they're in the front or back row, and their window color.

In battle:
さくせん → さくせんがえ → Same as above, but you can only set tactics here. ぜんいん lets you set the same one to all members.
To change rows in battle, go to はいちがえ instead in the さくせん submenu. You can also change your equipment here with そうびがえ.

As far as actual tactics options go:

ガンガンいこうぜ → Go all out
バッチリがんばれ → Fight wisely
いろいろやろうぜ → Try all sorts of stuff
いのちだいじに → Focus on healing
ＭＰつかうな → Don't use MP
めいれいさせろ → Follow orders (manual)

EDIT: In translating these, I noticed that they're written like a guy would say them. In DQ4, I believe 'follow orders' is written as めいれいするわよ for a female character. Too bad. :\

 

[Lee N]

You guys will be done with the game by the time I get it.

 

[Aeana]

Ooh, finally found some pure water. There's some on the wi-fi shop~

 

[john tv]

Aight, time to crash. 13 hours and change, just finished the events at

Spoiler

Dharma

and picked up a bunch of new quests there (if you have a mage, try sleeping at the inn once you've hit level 15). Loving the game so far -- definitely real Dragon Quest!

Aeana -- I haven't tried any of the Wi-Fi stuff yet, but am planning to tomorrow. How is it?

 

[mattiewheels]

translation

you're wonderful, thanks!

 

[Aeana]

Aight, time to crash. 13 hours and change, just finished the events at

Spoiler

Dharma

and picked up a bunch of new quests there (if you have a mage, try sleeping at the inn once you've hit level 15). Loving the game so far -- definitely real Dragon Quest!

Aeana -- I haven't tried any of the Wi-Fi stuff yet, but am planning to tomorrow. How is it?

The contents of the wi-fi shop for me weren't that great. Some strong herbs and some other kinds of herbs, magic beast horns, magic beast leather and pure water. But it was good enough for me, since I really needed a pure water for quest #6! Didn't see downloadable quests yet, but I assume the first of those won't hit until Friday.

 

[Mr Killemgood]

Rumors are circulating about DQIX's first day sales.... >2.8 million. Woah if true.

BTW: How is the game? Looking forward to it in the states.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Rumors are circulating about DQIX's first day sales.... >2.8 million. Woah if true.

BTW: How is the game? Looking forward to it in the states.

Actually, wasn't the initial shipment around 2 millions?

 

[Hive]

Aeana must be having the time of her life right now ^_^

I kind of felt that way waiting for the localization of Front Mission 1st. It took awhile, but the wait was worth it once I could finally sit down and play.

 

[neoism]

sorry, I haven't really followed the thread, but has anyone posted any videos on youtube yet!

 

[darkhunger]

Actually, wasn't the initial shipment around 2 millions?

No, that was the number of preorders.

 

[mattiewheels]

what would japanese 3mil sold roughly equal to in american sales? like double that?

 

[FateBreaker]

Actually, wasn't the initial shipment around 2 millions?

i think that was just pre-orders.
edit: beaten =\

 

[Cygnus X-1]

No, that was the number of preorders.

And...does it change things? I mean: if the retailers ordered this amount of games, can we expect more then that? If yes, why?

 

[bluemax]

Great, I spent all that time translating and all I ask was that if it's reposted credit is given. Guess I won't be doing the rest after all.

Apologies I didn't mean to slight you at all! I just didn't know the policy of sourcing the name of that board over here. I should have at least sourced your name and for that I am very sorry.

Edit I should also note that I never saw the part of your post that said to source your name. And as evidenced by where I posted spell translations that I obtained from someone else's previous guide it's not like I'm normally in the business of slighting people.

 

[darkhunger]

And...does it change things? I mean: if the retailers ordered this amount of games, can we expect more then that? If yes, why?

No, preorders are made by the consumers, not the retailers. Unless there are manufacturing constraints, retailers always stock more because most buyers don't preorder.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

No, preorders are made by the consumers, not the retailers. Unless there are manufacturing constraints, retailers always stock more because most buyers don't preorder.

Ok. Thanks. Btw, Mr Killemgood posted this in the Media Create thread.

It's not from Sinobi but:

2,877,000 for DQIX, Day-one. I am unsure the source, so it goes in the rumor pile for now. Unbelievable if true, though.

 

[Aeana]

We're up to 5 enemies! Let's hope for 6 next!

Spoiler

Although... I have a feeling 5 is the limit. They keep summoning every time I reduce their number, but won't summon if all 5 are alive. They need 8 to form king slime... so if he's in the game, there has to be at least 8 enemies in a battle at once!

 

[MotherFan]

We're up to 5 enemies! Let's hope for 6 next!

Spoiler

Although... I have a feeling 5 is the limit. They keep summoning every time I reduce their number, but won't summon if all 5 are alive. They need 8 to form king slime... so if he's in the game, there has to be at least 8 enemies in a battle at once!

Didn't it take awhile for VIII to get really large groups too? I remember 3-4 at the start but it was not till later you got some of the bigger groups.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

We're up to 5 enemies! Let's hope for 6 next!

Spoiler

Although... I have a feeling 5 is the limit. They keep summoning every time I reduce their number, but won't summon if all 5 are alive. They need 8 to form king slime... so if he's in the game, there has to be at least 8 enemies in a battle at once!

That's goofy. Hardware limitation?

Oh well. Five is a good number, as long as it isn't a rarity.

 

[Lee N]

Spoiler

They need 8 to form king slime... so if he's in the game, there has to be at least 8 enemies in a battle at once!

Spoiler

I've seen king slime in videos of the game.