TOR came out after WoW, that's basically the reason.
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Dragon Quest X Has About 300,000 Subscribers So Far
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TOR came out after WoW, that's basically the reason.
Takamura-San
Member
This is worse than TOR.
Gentleman Jack
Member
I'm willing to bet DQX's break-even point of inflection is more friendly to its continued existence than TOR's.
Synth_floyd
Banned
300k seems pretty bad. I mean the previous installment sold millions.
Certainly not. It was very big news the day it surpassed EQ1.
Lord_Byron28
Member
It has sold close to 600K. This is talking about subscribers. Also its a MMO.
cartman414
Member
Even considering that it's Japan only?
I think the bigger thing to consider is that TOR almost certainly cost way more money to make. It's fully voiced, too!
Remember, FFXI had a PC release and was released in the West. For DQX to get that only on the Wii, in Japan, at the end of it's lifetime is pretty impressive. Of course the only negative variable is that it's pretty early... Let's see what the numbers are like a year or two from now.
I'm pretty sure that DQX's complete budget is about as much as Bioware's lunch money during TOR's development.
I don't think that the subsriber numbers are particularly impressive. I'd say they are about as expected, however its biggest problem is the console it has been released on. With the Wii being nearly dead, will players continue playing the game for the months to come or will they lose interest? Are they going to update to the Wii U version? I think these questions are what will determine whether or not DQX can be counted as a success a year from now.
thehypocrite
Member
Good numbers.
chertipros
Member
These are good numbers for an mmo releasing on a dead system in only one territory
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kittens
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I had no idea this game was even out. Like, anywhere.
How long did it take FFXI to become the most profitable FF in history? What's the opportunity cost for the 4 million + sales on a traditional iteration they gave up?
This discussion just feels so early, don't we need to wait like half a decade to say anything but "I guess this seems okay so far." Saying these are good numbers for an mmo on a dead system doesn't really say much I feel.
This discussion just feels so early, don't we need to wait like half a decade to say anything but "I guess this seems okay so far." Saying these are good numbers for an mmo on a dead system doesn't really say much I feel.
They're great numbers for an MMO in Japan, period.
Yeah I was just parroting what the other poster said there, I'm more interested in the first two questions in my post.
You have to remember that a lot of ToR's subscriber numbers were buoyed by EA continually giving out free months. They would always do it right before a quarterly call, right on cue.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
Still waiting for Rocket Slime 3
This is pretty cool!
How has player feedback been since launch? I've been so skeptical about this, but if players - especially longtime fans - are enjoying it, that might give me some hope.
Not so sure about the general consensus in Japan but I'm still logging in every day if that counts for something. Most of my pre-launch skepticism has been alleviated. There's a great atmosphere to it, running about bumping into other parties, cheering people on etc. There are also a number of things that make it easier to play on and off, or for shorter periods of time, which is appreciated. Story bits are really well done as well. I feel that all the DQ games are worthwhile in some way or other, and X is no exception.
And that a lot of people are still running on the free month (or was it two months?) that comes with the game.
It was 20 days, not even a month!
Oh well, derp. Anyway, I don't think they're bad numbers for just Japan. And there might be a lot of people waiting for the Wii U version instead.
Some people in this thread seem to forget the game is playable for 2 hours every day without subscribing. A big chunk of the userbase are probably youngsters who can't afford the monthly fee. In other words the low subscription to purchase ratio is not due to the game rapidly dropping in popularity. Unlike other subscription-based MMOs they have not lost the players who are not subscribing, and some of them will start paying in the future.
Canis lupus
Member
A good start for sure. Lets see how the WiiU version will do.
Eteric Rice
Member
Bring it here, SE, and I'll buy it. Been wanting a new MMO to play!
Game has the potential to be a huge success with the Wii-U version (could see more Japanese people jumping on board, off tv play is a killer feature in a timesink like an MMO, and current players are likely to upgrade at a reasonable rate as well, adding more revenue generated by buying the title again. Off TV play on an MMO in the West could be killer too, but they are probably going to have to lower the subscription fees here, or make it F2P after the game purchase with microtransactions for it to really catch on here, since there is much more competition in the MMO genre.
test_account
XP-39C²
A good start indeed. I hope they are able to keep it up.
Thanks for the reply -- it sounds like something I'll enjoy.
Yeah there are definitely some posts downplaying the raw numbers which is pretty dumb, but there are also posts talking about how FFXI is the most profitable Square Enix game ever. So if we're using profits as our success metric, which I think is appropriate, then I don't think discussion at this point has any real meaning. Sure, go ahead and say good start, but how long will it take for the game to match the profits a regular DQX would have produced? I honestly have no idea. We can say the game's got the foundation to be very successful, but I'm still curious how the game stacks up against the opportunity costs, and I don't think we can say anything about that for a while yet.
MikeE21286
Member
I thought I heard even higher numbers for SWTOR and that was a major/massive disappointment that was going to sink EA? What's the difference here?
pieatorium
Member
DQX is a Wii game with a Wii production values released only in japan, ToR is a PC game with tons of VA work released with localised versions and servers worldwide using the star wars license.
Wasn't ToR's budget like $200 million and is the most expensive game ever developed up to this day? DQX's budget must be a fraction of that.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Armor Project vs Bioware. One can budget and craft a good story.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Hmmmm....seems like positive numbers but then again it depends on if this is the 'peak' or not.
Looking at the chart that Aeana posted a lot of these MMOs have HUGE drops after they hit their peak.
Considering how strong mainline DQ first day sales are for some reason I expected better MMO or not.
Didn't a lot of the spin-off titles like Monsters do around the same numbers?
I really need to look into the actual game more. It doesn't seem like it is worth the subscription to me(well no MMO does nowadays) but it could be interesting. Are there any interesting systems in the game or is basically the standard MMO model with a DQ paint job?
Looking at the chart that Aeana posted a lot of these MMOs have HUGE drops after they hit their peak.
Considering how strong mainline DQ first day sales are for some reason I expected better MMO or not.
Didn't a lot of the spin-off titles like Monsters do around the same numbers?
I really need to look into the actual game more. It doesn't seem like it is worth the subscription to me(well no MMO does nowadays) but it could be interesting. Are there any interesting systems in the game or is basically the standard MMO model with a DQ paint job?
International release for the Wii U version confirmed!
Would not trust these numbers at all. The author of the original source article is so clueless that he thought Dqx was released in July. We've had other antics such as 'journalists' claiming they had other players steal exp from them by hitting on mobs they're fighting (obvious bs from previous MMO experience, and they admitted to so when pressed on it), and I don't expect this to be any different.
My guess is they made up this number thinking it'd look pretty bad for DQ, when in reality a 60% retention would be rather phenomenal. I think squeenix of all people's would give out numbers if it was actually this good.
My guess is they made up this number thinking it'd look pretty bad for DQ, when in reality a 60% retention would be rather phenomenal. I think squeenix of all people's would give out numbers if it was actually this good.
electroplankton
Banned
Many people are still enjoying heir 20 free days of trial, and someone is surely taking advantage of the Kids Time.