Holy shit! That is truly jaw dropping. Those sprinklers! And the water marks on the windshield (at 1:29)... the detail level is insane.
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Driveclub Pre-E3 preview event
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Holy shit! That is truly jaw dropping. Those sprinklers! And the water marks on the windshield (at 1:29)... the detail level is insane.
The worst part of that interview is when asked about how the different cars handle.
"Well we have different interiors and dashboards to make the experience unique"
:facepalm
I like how some of GAF has gone to "day one" over some sprinklers and windshield dirt. A racing game with 1 car and 50 interiors is a no buy for me.
And why wouldn't levels of distrust be on the rise? That example is just one other on a long list of many that goes to show how out of touch and downright hilarious certain journalists can be. When they let their bias get in the way of simple objectivity and logic.
Infinitely superior lighting and shadowing versus something that still uses a lot of baked lighting, a game that has full dynamic time of days versus one that's fixed and oft inaccurate, far better textures and shaders, far superior reflections, volumetric light affected clouds vs plain sky boxes, fully geometric physics based foliage and trees versus flat textured ones, 3D crowds versus 2D cut outs, no AA versus more AA and so on and so on. I'd say DriveClub was pretty much objectively better looking unless you prefer the art of Forza 5. But these games are aiming to be photo realistic, so art is not much of a factor, it's which looks more real. And that is DriveClub by a country mile.
Ryan's comments just show how grossly out of touch he is and why we should really not be taking him seriously.
Ding ding ding,surprised at the small number of tracks,will be waiting for the GoTY version.
Glorious PNG's
Environments look kinda rough though.
Alright...one has to be honest when looking at this. In motion the environments look spectacular..as do all the effects and the lighting.
However...in these still shots which clearly show the texture work and details of the environment when NOT at high speed...yeah, that's very unimpressive, even ugly.
However, when driving the cars....one isn't going to notice that. I fully support the "This game has better lighting and looks insane in motion next to any racer." comment. I'm going to step back when looking at these still shots though...because those are rough....and very good quality so not much compression to hide things or make them look better (really lo-res textures/muddiness is obvious).
NullPointer
Member
What do you mean about the point to point tracks being the only ones worth driving on? Whats wrong with the circuits?
I have to agree. It's an arcade racer, I get it. But some things should translate over I think.
That crowd I hope is placeholder, because they look awful and put a pronounced blemish on an overall pretty picture.
Love the attention to detail, especially the wavy "orange peel" like paint.
I wish these guys next game will stray away from this and motorstorm, and instead, go full on focused Rally/WRC. I need that.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
25 tracks is a small number?
Since when?
Since when?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Since never.
Not sure why there's an issue with the number of tracks, 25 as a starting base is fantastic and I doubt we'll be waiting very long before new tracks are released.
Did you miss the part where he discussed how each team was trying to recreate each car faithfully? He specifically mentions the handling team.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I know right? They are so full of rotten shit.
While I agree DC has a TON more going on...some amazing things even. Turn the absolute love and to the death dedication that you have to a single company and anything racing related from them off for a minute...and LOOK at those high quality shots.
You point out a single texture in any of those shots that outclasses F5 on the track in a race. F5's track assets....even at nearly point blank range...are darn near photo realistic. These still shots of gameplay, with no motion blur or depth of field, show they are not what you deliriously say they are.
Anyone in their right mind will give you and agree with you on most of what you typed, myself included...but textures level wise (and a lot of materials wise...the paint material for example) you're just downright wrong.
This in no way means that DC isn't absolutely glorious in motion though. It looks wonderful.
TrojanBlade
Member
Absolutely looks amazing in motion. Best lighting in a racer hands down. And they still have few months to polish. The sense of speed is great. Most racers look great in replays but look really shitty during gameplay compared to replay. But this really looks like the first racer where it will actually look good in gameplay.
That IGN dude though, he said there should be no comparison made but then does exactly the same to rile up the fanboys lol
That IGN dude though, he said there should be no comparison made but then does exactly the same to rile up the fanboys lol
This thread. It's highly entertaining. So far we've had..
- 30fps is unplayable/choppy.
- Graphical elements aren't visuals, only frame rates are.
- They've developed driving physics and characteristics for only one car.
Keep em coming. Lol.
NullPointer
Member
Will need a few more opinions on that one because what he's describing sounds like the very definition of a circuit. They're repetitive and they loop ;P
That's every track I know short of a monster like the Nordschleife.
If they don't have any memorable vistas or turns then yeah, I could see that being a problem. I'd personal prefer tracks to be on the longer side.
NullPointer
Member
Well thats a depressing line to read.
Here's hoping Team VVV gets some quality time with this.
I have a feeling the shots are from an older build. The textures, crowd geometry etc are all off compared to the latest footage we've seen. And Evo have said themselves there's still plenty of graphical improvements to come, and that they're constantly making them all the time.
Remember the Scotland footage from way back? That also had visibly shoddy textures which were vastly improved in the newer gameplay builds.
But what if it's free?
Rogue_Ledr
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I don't know how people can say F5's track assets are better. Those horrid 2D crowds alone severely hurt the graphical fidelity of the experience.
Plus the other track assets are hardly stunning. The game clearly makes MAJOR concessions to be 60 FPS.
Plus the other track assets are hardly stunning. The game clearly makes MAJOR concessions to be 60 FPS.
That's a possibility.
I personally don't care if the quality of the tracks stays as they are in those shots. It looks great in motion. If they have to sacrifice texture quality (that you may only notice sitting still) to deliver a better arcade like experience they should. The other effects and taxing things going on makes it worth it with this type game.
Don't start this BS. Pretty darn sure you haven't stopped and looked at the track itself. Road surfaces, buildings, even random food stands are incredibly detailed.
The trees, the dynamic lighting, extra effects...now those DC has.
Edit* To prove my point
I posted this in the "Post a random screenshot/guess what it's from" thread. People were guessing all kinds of PC games...even guessed Infamous: SS.
It was in fact a completely random screenshot I took while screwing around in Forza 5. This is the level of detail on basically every track in Forza 5 when it comes to the track assets outside of foliage.
I mean there is still plenty of time to tweak the driving characteristics... its just seems like no one gives a shit and they are more concerned about modeling interiors.
wapplew
Member
It will be a sad day for fans of #WalkClub and #HikeClub
Psycho_Mantis
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From comments on IGN's new article.
Its Ryan Mcaffrey though. Who cares what he says we all know his blatant bias.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
2D crowds are fine, a hundred thousand of them at a circuit gives a nice atmosphere vs two dozen marionettes. Only in screenshots and a couple of replays Forza's crowd looks comical.
Hey, some corners gotta get cut to hit dat 30 fps!
Hard to say how large the crowds will get in Driveclub, this pic says 'Crowd Size - medium'
The more I read/hear from hands-on previews, the most nervous I get. "Nervous" in the sense of preparing for some disappointing realities, not having the game spoiled. Comments on track design are one thing. I lean more in the sim-style, so keep that in mind, but this line is troubling to me about the handling between vehicles:
For reference, PGR3/4 and Forza Horizon partly stood out to me because the nuance of the vehicles was retained so well in the arcade-style feel. A big part of the progression in gameplay was getting more cars, not because it was a checklist of cars, but because they had distinct characteristics that made them more (or less) interesting to drive in different settings and circumstances.
Worse yet (and as much as "IGN is bad" is a fine reaction initially when they make an assertion that's way out of line with other assertions), I'm seeing unfavorable comparisons crop up elsewhere to existing games now that the preview embargo is up:
For reference, PGR3/4 and Forza Horizon partly stood out to me because the nuance of the vehicles was retained so well in the arcade-style feel. A big part of the progression in gameplay was getting more cars, not because it was a checklist of cars, but because they had distinct characteristics that made them more (or less) interesting to drive in different settings and circumstances.
Worse yet (and as much as "IGN is bad" is a fine reaction initially when they make an assertion that's way out of line with other assertions), I'm seeing unfavorable comparisons crop up elsewhere to existing games now that the preview embargo is up:
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Hard to say how large the crowds will get in Driveclub, this pic says 'Crowd Size - medium'
That's cool if you can increase it.
wapplew
Member
Driveclub got like 10 second of stage time as a trailer last year.
This year it will be main traction on the show floor, on stage a sizzle reel at best.
Yeah it depends on how they are used. There was a clip in DC where you see a guy from the crowd clapping and leaning forward as you race past. That adds a lot of immersion and can't really be achieved in 2D. Both have pros and cons.
Riderz1337
Banned
Great sense of speed.
Wow that's insane!
Punkster_NY
Member
Holy shit at those gifs!
What has that do to with anything? lol
I'm not the one to make that comparison. I'm just saying how ridiculous of a statement that gamespot comment is when Forza's on-track-models don't look that good.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Anyone can find a spot and take a crappy shot. I could do it on everything from the PS4, to the X1, to my Vita.
I can take 5 beautiful shots and 5 horrid shots in basically every game I have...even taxing games on my i7 rig.
Is IGN being disingenuous in a number of ways yes, but so are many people who are attempting to only look at the negative and not the positive in any conversation. The "everything about another game" sucks because I don't like it/side with it stuff is non-stop hyperbole.
Great sense of speed.
That's the first time I'm noticing a lot of action on the suspension.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I just noticed you lose fame for vehicle impacts.
Nicely done, Evo. Nicely done.
Nicely done, Evo. Nicely done.
The sense of speed is great. They seem to be getting it right. I'm glad to see it, as it can be done correctly at 30fps in an arcade racer. That's excellent.
(edit* Doh..meant to add this into my last post...sorry about the near double post)
Haha, yeah. Although some aiming riviraly might be good to push both.
Agree.