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[epmode]

I still won't forgive Durante for not fixing Metal Gear Revengeance.

Someone else already fixed it. I can play it at 2560x1440 at a perfect 60 FPS.

 

[fluffydelusions]

what a dumb comment. how much do you want to bet, ds2 sold better on PC than it did on consoles? juniors

I would take that bet...at least now. PC will likely have way better long term sales though

 

[Deadstar]

Durante should sue Namco for not paying him what he deserves for fixing their game.

 

[demosthenes]

https://twitter.com/BandaiNamcoUS

I know it was Germany that did it but has anyone started sending them messages?

 

[Smash88]

I know you're probably kidding about the last part, but Durante's a busy guy and he has to pick his battles. MGR wasn't really broken compared to some of the other games he's put work into.

Yeah it definitely isn't as broken as what he has fixed, it was just a little joke. I'm still sad I can't play @ 1440p, and have not played it in the hopes of a fix - the blur is just too much.

Someone else already fixed it. I can play it at 2560x1440 at a perfect 60 FPS.

It was!? Is there a link for this fix? I'm super excited now.

 

[xyzls]

So... Does this mean Next gen (i.e. current gen) port of Dark Souls confirmed???


I can't see any reason they would do this other than they can't release a product that's inferior to what exists.

 

[badb0y]

Unfuckingbelievable.

I would not have played Dark Souls without Durante's fix.

 

[epmode]

It was!? Is there a link for this fix?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=99628721&postcount=7487

 

[Sanjay]

This clearly means an update with the fixes is coming out!

 

[Renzoku]

Yeah, because now it will magically vanish from the internet and cause zero fan backlash.

Stupid fucks.

 

[Ghazi]

Can someone explain the debug version and the implications of it? Because I have no idea what anyone is talking about with this. Obviously, I don't have DS1 on PC :/

No one?

 

[Mr Nash]

https://twitter.com/BandaiNamcoUS

I know it was Germany that did it but has anyone started sending them messages?

I did. Definitely something that people should be raising a stink over. In the very least, it should get people inside the company looking at what happened, and if not, then Namco is throwing any goodwill they have out the window.

 

[RurouniZel]

Fucking bullshit Namco. You should be bowing and kissing Durante's feet for fixing your game for you!

 

[thoseAREmySHOES]

 

[Riddy]

Bandai Namco OWES Durante an inconceivable amount of money. I would have never bought the PC port if it weren't for his mods. He deserves a position on their development team, not a copyright claim! Disgusting!

 

[Jotamide]

So they shit on you for trying to fix their broken fucking game? I don't even...

Pretty much. I would never ever fix a Bamco game again if I were Durante out on spite.

 

[Arondight]

I bought DS of steam because of Durante as well. Without that fix, would have avoided this game. Seems like a huge mistake that they would try do this.

 

[BennyBlanco]

What a slap in the face. DSfix is what made DaS good on PC. Without it, it would be one of the worst PC ports of all time. It directly made them money, and they didn't have to pay for it at all.

 

[marrec]

Perhaps a misunderstanding? Know nothing Namco employee in Germany sees stuff about DSFix and files a complaint?

It seems rather off to file now, after so long.

 

[The Reloader]

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Shit like this should be ban-worthy. I'm glad neogaf has ignore options.

 

[dani_dc]

I'll join on those that bought the game day 1 at full price thanks to DSFix, otherwise I would had waited for lower.

https://twitter.com/BandaiNamcoUS

I know it was Germany that did it but has anyone started sending them messages?

Did my part and sent them a message.

 

[Smash88]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=99628721&postcount=7487

Ahhh holy shit. This is awesome. Thanks. Time to finally finish the game.

 

[Sentenza]

Well, damn, it's almost like they were trying to turn themselves in a self-parody at this point.

I'm sorry, what the hell am I reading?

The ugliest face of fanboyism.

 

[BakedYams]

This thread is salty and so am I. Durante was the reason I bought Dark Souls on PC.

 

[Skux]

Well this will quickly climb the "dumbest shit pulled by a developer/publisher" list for 2014. And I thought we'd had our fill for this year.

 

[Eusis]

Perhaps a misunderstanding? Know nothing Namco employee in Germany sees stuff about DSFix and files a complaint?

It seems rather off to file now, after so long.

I suspect/hope so. These companies seem to do dumb shut like this all the time.

 

[GaimeGuy]

What a slap in the face. DSfix is what made DaS good on PC. Without it, it would be one of the worst PC ports of all time. It directly made them money, and they didn't have to pay for it at all.

No.

Let me quote myself from another thread:

LOL @ the people saying Dark Souls is the worst port of all time.

No, it's not the worst port of all time. It's not even a BAD port. It's just barebones, where they were able to get it up and running, and didn't bother putting in any graphics customization options.

Customization options are included in PC games not because they're expected as a "feature", but because of the nature of the PC as an open hardware platform. Because the N64 had the RAM pack which expanded the system's ram, some N64 games had customization options put in place, since some systems could have more RAM than others.

The fact that Dark Souls runs, and it runs more smoothly and looks better than console versions on default (or in this case, the "only," at least without durante's fix) settings, makes it a solid, or even good, port, especially given From Software's technical inexpertise and their inexperience with PCs. (To be fair, they were probably lucky that the Xbox 360 platform existed, since the XBox 360's API was designed by MS and Nvidia and is based on DirectX, most closely resembling DirectX 9.0c, which is, shock, the API required for Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition on the PC.)

If Dark Souls were the worst PC port of all time, the PC wouldn't have a "reputation" as a platform that is difficult/inconvenient to game on. There are plenty of games out there which flat out don't run on PCs because they're coded so poorly or compiled so inefficiently that they use orders of magnitude (literally!) more processing power than they should be using, or games which only run on Nvidia cards, or games which only run on ATI cards, or games where graphical effects go out of control on certain cards/brands of cards (There is an issue with the PC version of PoP: The Sands of Time on NVidia cards, where the fog in the games covers EVERYTHING, and makes the game run slowly and things are nearly impossible to see), or where the PC version's game mechanics or design are inadvetertently or purposefully altered, sometimes making the game unplayable or impossible to progress/finish, such as TMNT, which was mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

[Sohaim]

wow what is going on? they have no right to do that, right?

 

[OverturePT]

Unbelievable, it has to be a misunderstanding. I'm actually mad I decided to support Dark Souls release on PC now, because I did it knowing that it had been fixed by Durante.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

This is utter bullshit of course, especially since DSfix does not include any of their material.

I'm actually amazed that they would do this. I mean WTF.

..I don't even.

I mean, I know Bamco used to have a CM on here, perhaps you could talk to him on his/her twitter?

 

[Reallink]

Smells like a PS4/Xbone "Dark Souls Remastered" collection is forthcoming. Durante eating into dem sales figures.

 

[charsace]

This is why the mod scene is dying.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Some random legal guy in Germany probably saw Dark Souls Fix, assumed it illegally included or modified their program or code (or was a "fixed" crack of the game) and sent a request to have it taken down.

 

[Saroyan]

I hope this is resolved and the DMCA is dropped. Pure stupidity by Bamco here

 

[Grief.exe]

So... Does this mean Next gen (i.e. current gen) port of Dark Souls confirmed???


I can't see any reason they would do this other than they can't release a product that's inferior to what exists.

Smells like a PS4/Xbone "Dark Souls Remastered" collection is forthcoming. Durante eating dem sales figures.

Just because the PC version exists doesn't preclude a potential market for a console version. Many console gamers refuse to acknowledge the PC or are just ignorant of the benefits.

Keep in mind Bandai is a massive, multinational company. This particular notification came from a European legal department which is likely self contained with its own management and agenda.
We can only theorize, but I would suspect this was either done in ignorance or automated to some degree. I doubt this was a premeditated action based on a larger Namco strategy.

 

[JackelZXA]

I recently finished a full playthrough of DS1 on PC and I forgot to go and put DSFix on when i started and just left it off the whole time. Did they patch the game or something? It ran pretty alright, and i had resolution changing options to mess with. (Is it super recent patch stuff for the migration to steam?)

Smells like a PS4/Xbone "Dark Souls Remastered" collection is forthcoming. Durante eating into dem sales figures.

I would LOVE a PC port of Demon's Souls. (Especially if they added in Land of the Giants content as a super-late sort of dlc-ish addition to the game. Some of that unfinished content is interesting. that zone seems like it woulda been fantastic)

 

[Thoraxes]

As you mentioned in the OP, hopefully you get it sorted and back up.

 

[collige]

I recently finished a full playthrough of DS1 on PC and I forgot to go and put DSFix on when i started and just left it off the whole time. Did they patch the game or something? It ran pretty alright, and i had resolution changing options to mess with. (Is it super recent patch stuff for the migration to steam?)

You didn't have actual resolution options. All you can control is the what resolution it upscales to.

 

[Sohaim]

I'll join on those that bought the game day 1 at full price thanks to DSFix, otherwise I would had waited for lower.



Did my part and sent them a message.

i did that as well and asked my friends to do the same.

 

[BakedYams]

Smells like a PS4/Xbone "Dark Souls Remastered" collection is forthcoming. Durante eating into dem sales figures.

This would seem likely but PC sales don't clash with console sales. It would be nice if the people who mandated this were fired from their job but that's just me being too salty because of this and would not wish such a harsh punishment on them if it was a mistake on their end.

 

[mario_O]

This is disgusting. Not buying their next DS2 DX11 patch of course. Disgusting.

 

[sjack]

Bamco is the worst thing to have happened in the Souls Series

 

[Krusenstern]

What in the actual fuck! DSfix most likely contributed decently to Dark Souls sales on PC.

Scamco isn't only incompetent but also completely dumb.

 

[EvilOrifice]

"Someone is trying to make a game run better on their hardware?! NOT TODAY FUCKERS!!" ~Scamco

 

[The Lamp]

It's like the big companies fight over the crown for incompetence.

Holy fuck, scamco. What garbage.

 

[JackelZXA]

What in the actual fuck! DSfix most likely contributed decently to Dark Souls sales on PC.

Scamco isn't only incompetent but also completely dumb.

What probably happened: German legal branch just googled dark souls and sent c&d to anything he could find, so that he met his minimum monthly quota of work so that he didn't get fired. had no idea what he was clicking on.

Japanese Branch: Has no idea what DSFix is, probably doesn't know that there's a German Legal Branch either.

Western Branch: Probably doesn't actually exist. likely just some spinning records in a closet somewhere.


Big thing: Communication between worldwide branches of a large company between language barriers is basically impossible and no one knows or cares what anyone else is doing as long as there isn't a panic alarm going off.

 

[Occam]

Some random legal guy in Germany probably saw Dark Souls Fix, assumed it illegally included or modified their program or code (or was a "fixed" crack of the game) and sent a request to have it taken down.

This is probably exactly what happened.

 

[GaimeGuy]

What probably happened: German legal branch just googled dark souls and sent c&d to anything he could find, so that he met his minimum monthly quota of work so that he didn't get fired. had no idea what he was clicking on.

Japanese Branch: Has no idea what DSFix is, probably doesn't know that there's a German Legal Branch either.

Western Branch: Probably doesn't actually exist. likely just some spinning records in a closet somewhere.


Big thing: Communication between worldwide branches of a large company between language barriers is basically impossible and no one knows or cares what anyone else is doing as long as there isn't a panic alarm going off.

Welcome to corporate. (Clearly the strong form of the efficient market hypothesis is true)

 

[Corpekata]

No.

Let me quote myself from another thread:

By your definition practically every game under the sun is a good PC port. Save maybe Saints Row 2 and DMC3. Very few, if any, in the past half decade would qualify as bad.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

But DSFix improved PC Dark Souls limited graphical choices so it can run and look better encouraging people to play it even more.

What the hell is this?!