Exactly. The XBone is an abomination and nothing Sony might do is going to change that.
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E3: Sony with some bad news?
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Exactly. The XBone is an abomination and nothing Sony might do is going to change that.
With publishers obviously.
Also as someone above mentioned if you give publishers the choice to implement passes into their games the chances are they will, it will boil down to the same thing.
Of course it would be wise for Sony to take that stance as it then falls on the publishers shoulders and not theirs.
PJV3
Member
It's the only thing that could stop it happening
It wouldn't take the majority of gamers to achieve it, but yeah as you say it would be unlikely and the gamers own fault.
I'm a stubborn sod and can live without games quite easily.
Dragon1893
Member
No they didn't, they didn't clear anything up at the reveal itself and after it they just gave us some vague cryptic statements because they were pressured by the press.
Sorry if that doesn't make you feel better.
Maybe. I'm definitely gonna buy a PS4, because the Sony IP's interests me more. But with the XBone having used games licenses. Won't publishers pressure Sony to do the same? Why would the publishers not want a cut from used games? I don't know and of course I hope Sony won't do it.
SolidSnakex
Member
I'll post this again
That's from a SCEE employee. A used game policy, especially one at system level, would be instant death for the PS4 in Japan. And I think the EA situation could be very telling. There was no third party that Sony was closer to at one point than EA. All throughout this generation we saw them landing exclusive content and timed exclusive DLC from them. Then all of a sudden that vanished and now they're extremely tight with MS, and we're even seeing a rumor about them handing over a major exclusive title to MS, which is obviously very rare for EA.
That's from a SCEE employee. A used game policy, especially one at system level, would be instant death for the PS4 in Japan. And I think the EA situation could be very telling. There was no third party that Sony was closer to at one point than EA. All throughout this generation we saw them landing exclusive content and timed exclusive DLC from them. Then all of a sudden that vanished and now they're extremely tight with MS, and we're even seeing a rumor about them handing over a major exclusive title to MS, which is obviously very rare for EA.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Am I reading this thread correct?
Heres my take:
Lets say you poop out some shit that stinks.
I also poop out some shit that stinks.
Yay our shit don't stink as much as they used to.
Heres my take:
Lets say you poop out some shit that stinks.
I also poop out some shit that stinks.
Yay our shit don't stink as much as they used to.
Yoshida previously stated that any measures to block users out of second hand games is entirely up to the publishers.
In no way whatsoever will sony force it.
And in here lies your power. You chose to buy a game that enforces this anti consumer measure or, like me, you chose not to buy it and make them realize these actions aren't welcome.
Christopher
Member
Stop trying to find reasons to make te horrible Xbox one to look good.
Sonys gonna kill this gen learned from mistakes.
Sonys gonna kill this gen learned from mistakes.
Pretty much, What happened to Sony last gen is now happening to MS this gen, 3rd console curse = complacency.
I'll post this again
That's from a SCEE employee. A used game policy, especially one at system level, would be instant death for the PS4 in Japan. And I think the EA situation could be very telling. There was no third party that Sony was closer to at one point than EA. All throughout this generation we saw them landing exclusive content and timed exclusive DLC from them. Then all of a sudden that vanished and now they're extremely tight with MS, and we're even seeing a rumor about them handing over a major exclusive title to MS, which is obviously very rare for EA.
Interesting tweet indeed and yeah the situation changed quite a bit with EA. They were really close with Sony before and now they show up at MS's event. I also agree that the used games thing is a even bigger deal in Japan. The used market there is huge, for basically any form of media.
And to the OP: No matter what Sony will do it will not suddenly make the Xbox One look great. Everything htey are doing is awful. If sony does some of the same mistakes I will not bother with them either. I am very opposed to some of the trends of always online, DRM and so on.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I don't see how publishers are in a position to force anything on console makers. Sony and Microsoft could easily disagree and then what would they do? Not make their games available?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
However it seems MS has gave in so it changes the dynamic a bit.
Rebel Leader
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and lose up to half of the profits aswell? I don't think so
Hopefully the wave misses sony
It doesn't seem like publishers would be forcing anything, as even though it's fairly vauge sony has said it's up to them. Since MS are taking the stand they are there's little reason to not follow suit, though some might wait it out and see if it ends up successful.
Frank Jaeger
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I got Enslaved for 10! Played, platinum'ed it and then realized there were more trophies to get from the DLC. But the DLC was also 10! I would not get the DLC cheaper than that! How does this make any sense?
How can people compare the clusterfuck going on the console marketplaces with the ecosystem that we find in the PC (steam, gamersgate, gog, humblebundles, etc). Exception to PS+ which is making a big splash with all that "free" games they are offering until you stop paying the monthly fee.
If publishers/MS/Sony want to have something like, with account bound games, they REALLY have to study the PC marketplace very well first and adapt accordingly.
Atm I'm a lost client for MS and if Sony pulls the same tricks, this will be the first playstation not gracing my cabinet!
How can people compare the clusterfuck going on the console marketplaces with the ecosystem that we find in the PC (steam, gamersgate, gog, humblebundles, etc). Exception to PS+ which is making a big splash with all that "free" games they are offering until you stop paying the monthly fee.
If publishers/MS/Sony want to have something like, with account bound games, they REALLY have to study the PC marketplace very well first and adapt accordingly.
Atm I'm a lost client for MS and if Sony pulls the same tricks, this will be the first playstation not gracing my cabinet!
Pretty funny stances in this thread. People wishing that the PS4 will be as bad as the XB1... Man.
We already know that they won't be as bad as MS though. Not even close.
We already know that they won't be as bad as MS though. Not even close.
Rebel Leader
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You know what would funny.... Sony doesn't do anything simiar and the ps4 outsells the Xbone
4 to 1
4 to 1
Little Green Yoda
Member
Assuming Sony leaves the option at the discretion of third party pubs, you think third party pubs will enact this anti-used games DRM on the XBO versions of their games but choose not to do the same on the PS4 versions? Why exactly would they go through the trouble of convincing MS to implement this consolewide on the XBO only to have all their consumers buy the version without the DRM?
One reason why nobody hasn't implemented this stuff for the PS360 is because they can't spin the online DRM checks with the "power of the cloud" BS. Never mind that MS is already getting the brunt of the blame now so the "first mover" disadvantage is no longer there.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the Sony HQ was like this gif for real:
From this thread.
In a way, yeah even though I know you're being a bit sarcastic... Heck, there is self-publishing on it now.
Captain Tuttle
Member
They'll definitely be some bad news from Sony, I'm certain of it. MS has softened everyone up though so it won't seem that bad in comparison. Some crow will be eaten by some of the loudest Sony faithful I'm sure but there won't be the backlash that MS is suffering. Most people will just shrug their shoulders and get on with their lives (frankly this is what I expect of nearly everyone, One will sell fine, at least in the States).
Not only funny, fantastic.
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Is that what's happening here? I'm not familiar with the names and I've admittedly not read all the posts. I don't think considering the possibility Sony may follow suit is at all a pro MS sentiment.
I don't see anybody hoping for this, people are just having a discussion about the real impact this may have.
Hmmm I forgot about this. I guess we shall see at E3.
Bigmac1910
Member
As long as it's not always online, I'm good. Don't really care about the used games scenario, I buy 99% of my games new. But if it is always online, I'm out. I actually have a good internet connection which is rarely down, but the idea of just "renting" games doesn't work for me. I want to be able to play some of those games 20 years from now, not only while the servers are up.
Except they don't know what consumer reaction might really be.
If MS is willing to do this in exchange for a pittance of additional support (timed exclusive DLC and other small things) then a 3rd party CEO would be a damned fool not to encourage it, meanwhile not doing anything of the sort on PS4.
Let consumers decide and the 3rd party looks innocent in the process. If consumers hate it they'll all buy PS4s and it'll be like the PS2 days when everyone was making money hand over fist. If consumers don't mind and buy both systems equally you put the used games market on life support this generation and make sure both Sony and Nintendo bury the final dagger for next generation.
3rd parties don't care about maintaining parity between the Xbox and Playstation lines. They want the smart business play and the smart play here is being hands off and letting MS do their thing.
There is a reason why Activision never hopped on the online pass thing with CoD. They make too much money via DLC even off of the used games market to start walling off customers. Now MS is promising a free "trial" to make all those profitable used software customers into more profitable new software customers, but Sony gives them the out if it doesn't work.
Hence why CoD:Ghosts was at MS' event and Destiny was at Sony's. They're playing both sides here, knowing its going to work out just fine for them either way (as long as their software keeps selling).
I don't recall them focusing on TV and movies. I think those aspects were mentioned, but they didn't focus on that in the same way Microsoft did. The social aspects shown at the PS4 conference were for the main part gamer focused. The social stuff was more to do with streaming and sharing your gaming sessions with friends than it was being able to take Skype calls while watching a movie.
Callibretto
Member
exclusive kojima game for XBone. Kojima is in xbox montage while I don't think we see him at all in any of Sony meeting montage.
god I hope not....
sakipon
Member
Good luck to them then.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Who's hoping?
I wouldn't necessarily call social media gaming "non-gamer" stuff, you're forgetting about XBL and PSN, gamers frequenting forums, forming clans to play online, checking the twitter space, linking accounts to facebook etc etc.
What Sony focused on was a natural extension of that.
You could use the same argument with region locking as well, and for the most part I only know 1 PS3 game that is region locked.
Can Sony definitively say that all used games will be played free of charge, if it's in each individual developers hands on whether that's the case or not?
They can mention what the default setting is, but then people would only complain about how non committal the response is.
No, they would not want to lose sales on a viable platform. If it turns out this DRM is only on the Xbone, I suspect the benefits MS will receive won't be anything so drastic as full exclusivity.
Some xbox fans you'd assume, given how sony so far is delivering greatly.
No, these big pubs have shareholders to answer to.
Rebel Leader
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and they want money... even if that does mean deving for the ps4 (hopefully the ps4 is what we dream it to be)
Are they in here? This persecution complex is really off putting if they're not.
pretty simple. moral victory.
"if you're system has just as bad policies as ours, then you can't talk shit and the blame can't solely fall on the console i've rallied behind".
console wars are stupid. internet msg board gamers need to graduate from juvenile hooliganism.
It's quite possible, Piracy ran rampant on the 360 this gen, this could be MS's way of making sure it doesn't happen again and in the process pissing off all their fanbase.
Guess you weren't here for the start of last gen then.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Composite cable included with every system. There ya go.
staticneuron
Member
You misunderstand. This is mentioned as a feature of the XB one. Which means if the public responds negatively the pubs have the ability to blame MS.
Since Sony leaves it up to pubs what could happen is that some pubs may want to keep in parity with XB1 BUT some might now ( I imagine that idea would be very unpopular with the japanese) so it will simply make pubs look bad when the core looks at the PS4 and sees some games without the used game restriction. It would put the blame back into pubs lap and they have to face the ire and cannot blame anyone.
It is all a game of public face. I imagine most pubs wouldn't try it but EA and Activision would be the ones to start. Destiny could be a start of that justification.
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Rebel Leader
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I hope damn so
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Why haven't we seen a gif from GTA: SA saying that the xbox one is in the wrong house?
Captain Tuttle
Member
Maybe. It certain threads lately this belief would be called a "persecution complex" by some.
Anyway this is OT, I stand by my post above. I think Sony will have some "bad" news down the line.
Gaf is saying that? Where were you for all that Vita back-lash then? Or E3 2006?
This is a gaming forum and people go for games not movies or TV and some wonder why people here are now mad at MS.