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E3: Sony with some bad news?
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IonicSnake
Banned
Nice! Been looking forward to the NEX 7n.
QuikZilver
Member
Grasping at straws? You remember the 10 hike on prices from $49.99 to $59.99 last gen? I just can't wait for E3!!!!! You guys are setting yourselves for a big disappointment.
No one us hoping is being realistic. There is a huge possibility of a drm type setup in the ps4 if there wasn't Sony wouldn't be so quiet right now. Ea getting rid of online pass is another red flag. You really think EA are just going to allow their games to sell on PS4 without any type of DRM? Really?
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
erm the reason why sony said what they said was because they were the only next gen platform announced in Feb, now that ms has announced and they know they are going through with the used game stuff, they will have to follow otherwise EA, Ubi and many others will be sticking to just xbox
RadarScope1
Member
I think you're in for a letdown. I agree with most everyone else ITT - Sony will have some kind of scheme to announce. Personally I'm OK with the approach MS seems to be taking. It's worked for Steam. As long as pricing becomes more flexible, that's a good thing. Devs and even publishers are dropping like flies the last few years. It can't go on forever.
I am far, FAR more disgusted with MS's approach of cramming TV, gesture controls, fantasy football and the Gold pay wall into the X1. That's why I'm turned off.
This.
EA dropped online passes for all of their future games. Not just games on the Xbox.
Just from that, I'm pretty sure that there will be used game restrictions on the PS4.
We'll see what they are at/during E3 I guess.
SniperHunter
Banned
dont buy EA games...
many steam whores on gaf stopped by ea titles once they went origin exclusive
EA is moving to F2P.
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
everyone who is fightning saying sony wont do what xbox did.
put yourself in the place of a third party multiplatform publisher, for years they have been trying to get drm properlly done, they hate used games.
why would they in anyones right mind put a game out on xbox one which is going the anti used route, then put the same game out on ps4 where it doesnt ? seriously think about that
put yourself in the place of a third party multiplatform publisher, for years they have been trying to get drm properlly done, they hate used games.
why would they in anyones right mind put a game out on xbox one which is going the anti used route, then put the same game out on ps4 where it doesnt ? seriously think about that
Because its better to get revenue from both install bases than just one?
They'll make more profit from one console than the other, but gross profit will still be higher if you release on both.
They can offset that by providing exclusive modes on the console that has DRM to sway multiplatform owners.
If they leave the PS4, it will be their loss.
What else will they do ? Release games on 360 and PS3 who themselves dont have such DRM ?
Publisher have power but that doesnt mean they can dictate whatever they want.
The reason why EA has partnered with MS is because of this and will provide exclusive dlc and 1/2 timed exclusive as well for this reason.
Eventually imo if x1 doesnt end up selling well, it will be a loss for ea and ms
shinra-bansho
Member
That's actually something to consider. As vehemently as GAF opposes restriction to used game trade, the wider Western market may not see it as as much of a dealbreaker. But it would probably make the system non-viable in Japan where the trade is so ubiquitous.
It's called hedging one's bets.
If consumers react negatively to XBO's restriction on second trade, then there will still be a "next gen" SKU out there that they can buy.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Tbh its only one group of people that want Sony to do some of the anti-consumer bs so MS doesn't look as bad. Most people are weary due to Sony dodging two questions but I hope the same. I'm going to have to applaud Nintendo for not doing this shit.
SolidSnakex
Member
Developers would region lock games on the 360 while leaving the same game region free on the PS3. It's obviously not the exact same situation, but it shows how publishers can act differently depending on the platform.
I think Sony will leave it up to publishers much like they probably did this gen. I can't see them putting it system level like MS did. Like I said, that would kill the system in Japan before it's ever released. Used games are rather important to the overall market there.
Because they can´t afford to not support the PS4. Simple as that. None of the big publishers is able to survive without Sony.
ShinobiFist
Banned
The PSN pass system is totally different than a code that requires you to play a single player game on a different console.
Yeah, if this were the case, I suspect DLC will be what's made exclusive. Maybe a timed deal at most.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
I highly doubt Activision would have a hard time selling CoD without Sony.
Sony would not survive without EA and Activision.
blitzcloud
Banned
Please store, get this bulky thing in your storage so you can never make revenue from games from it.
Doesn't sound like something that can take off.
It's not like nintendo can pull this, when it can't even properly manage user-based network.
I think that's what will happen and that's what I have my expectations set for.
JimiNutz
Banned
I expect Sony to leave the decision with the publishers.
That way they can turn around and say, "we didn't implement this" but the reality is that a lot of 3rd parties will chose to do it.
Both companies will spin it any way they can.
MS are already saying that they designed the console to play used games... you just have to buy a pass every time you try to use the disc on another profile.
Sony will say that they do not require games to be tied to your profile...but if a publisher wants to do this with their game then so be it.
That way they can turn around and say, "we didn't implement this" but the reality is that a lot of 3rd parties will chose to do it.
Both companies will spin it any way they can.
MS are already saying that they designed the console to play used games... you just have to buy a pass every time you try to use the disc on another profile.
Sony will say that they do not require games to be tied to your profile...but if a publisher wants to do this with their game then so be it.
gutter_trash
Banned
the worst news Sony can give us at E3 is the PRICE
Erm no.
CoD sells ~ 10 million units on PS3. That´s everything you need to know.
CambriaRising
Member
I'm sure there will be plenty of bad news, but if they have any sense at all they will steer clear of the mistakes MS are currently making.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I've commented on this before. We have little to go by right now so to drag PS4 into the mess that's been Xbone so far is a bit premature.
And for all the shit activision gets they are one that didnt push for online passes etc.
Or be very transparent about the policies. MS already had some bad news and they were completely confusing about it. It was a clusterfuck.
mysteriousmage09
Member
No they won't. Sony console sales account to millions just like the Xbox ones. Even if they hate Sony for not going with the same drm shit, they really don't have a say in the situation. Most they would do is exclusive content for Xbox One, they will never flat out stop putting games on Sony platforms.
Thing is If Sony does this atleast i will go against their decision.
But for now when they havnt indicated they will do and rather have said the opposite and many members have given enough reason why EA cant force Sony is doing. EA simply cant drop Sony and Sony cant enable these policies since it will go against them in Japan and developing countries.
TBH EA and MS partnership is because of this reason imo and with Fifa (Series which sells the most on PS3 and is sold most in europe) is getting exclusive mode.
krypt0nian
Banned
All I see is a lot of posters hoping and wishing that SONY is as anticonsumer, and antigamer as the Xbone.
Activision
Electronic Arts
Sony has a lot of leverage too. They're not at the mercy of publishers as this is a symbiotic relationship where both parties have great benefits to work with each other. Activision and EA without Sony's business would be in a world trouble, don't think otherwise.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Sony has online passes though. If Sony is leaving this stuff up to the publisher I suspect that they will use it on their own games.
That is one thing that Sony is masterful at. Hiding most bad features about their hardware until after it's been purchased by the consumer when its too late. kinda like finding the sorry prize in the crackerjack box.
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The bottom line is if Sony doesn't implement a similar DRM scheme and continues to not charge for online multiplayer, then the gaming community would be totally justified to throw the bulk of their support Sony's way to "vote with their wallets".
However, if Sony follows suit and implements DRM and fees for online multiplayer like XB1, then the meltdowns on GAF will be epic, especially for that one dude who was sending facebook messages to random strangers educating them on the evils of Xbone lolol
However, if Sony follows suit and implements DRM and fees for online multiplayer like XB1, then the meltdowns on GAF will be epic, especially for that one dude who was sending facebook messages to random strangers educating them on the evils of Xbone lolol
That is not a reason to go Xbox only, especially when they do massive business on the PS3 anyway.
Sony will offer the option to block used games, and if the publishers really think that used sales is what's eating into their revenue then they will activate it.
The best EA and Activision could do is offer incentives to pick one version over the other, but game sales will ultimately dictate which console EA and Activision will swear allegiance to if it's too lop sided in ones favour.
Various Artists
Banned
The only thing I really worry about is that Sony is going to focus too much on the PS4 social features (like the past MS conference) because they didn't talk too much about that in February.
I think we as gamers are on the same page, just show us games, games and more games! We dont care about skype or sales charts!
I think we as gamers are on the same page, just show us games, games and more games! We dont care about skype or sales charts!
There is nothing here that says used games won't have serial number/used fees. Both systems will play used games....neither company has said it will be without a "license fee".
1st party may be our only chance at no restrictions, but they've been vague about that too. Sony is basically SAYING the right thing, but never outright explaining it. Just like Microsoft...but Microsoft has been horrible at handling it. (which is a flip flop from last gen)
I'm still buying both, but I'm honestly not sure exactly WHAT either is doing 100% one way or the other.
MoGamesXNA
Unconfirmed Member
It's weird, I don't see that at all. I just see some valid consumer skepticism being brushed off as MS fanboy butthurt sentiment. Disappointing GAF.
I'm all about the PS4 at the moment but Sony (or publishers producing content for the platform) won't be getting a free pass from me until the ink is dry on the final details regarding their relationship with DRM and publishers regarding this matter.
I'm not going to put my chips on the table until after E3 and closer to the launch window when these anti-consumer policies are more clear. For the record, I'm appalled at MS's publisher-happy direction going forward.
Sony would be stupid to do te used games thing especially after all thats happened right after the Xbox One reveal, you can be pretty sure they are seeing how this whole thing is unfolding
just making a clear announcement that used games will play on any console and no forced online would give them a huge leverage over MS, no matter what kind of games MS may throw at us.
just making a clear announcement that used games will play on any console and no forced online would give them a huge leverage over MS, no matter what kind of games MS may throw at us.
dragonflys545
Member
Bad news will be they have too many games coming out on the system.
SketchTheArtist
Member
If Sony doesn't do the used game thing or just lets developers do it, it's gonna be a massive blow at Microsoft. If Sony can invest in that, in the long run, it could really damage Microsoft.