Is it good value? Y/N. That's the only thing that matters. Oh no we don't get infinite free trials how terrible.
Should be cautious? Yes. Should you be aware? Yes. Should you say no solely based off past grievances? No.
Any other companies you don't support?
As I've said multiple times, trusting EA not to try to screw you is like petting a rabid dog and hoping you don't get bit. I guess some people are just braver than we are.We gamers clearly hate learning from history. Gotta keep burning our hands.
Remains to be seen since its not implemented yet.What happens if you preorder the game digitally? Still have the six hours limit?
Hilarious.
Very true... and because of those incidents i tend to stay away from many EA titles. This Access deal is another anti-consumer package wrapped up in a bow that has "Value!" bedazzled all over the box.
I hope people catch on quick with this scam. 5 bucks a month for a 10 dollar discount on digital titiles, access to their greatest hits collection, and timed demoes?
there's no real value here. your paying for marketing promotions
Not really...?
Well I have definitely been laughing anyway! Speak for yourself!
I'll explain it for those who don't get it:
1. Whether it's the full game on a time limit, or a vertical slice, it's still a demo by definition.
2. 6 hours is not enough time to get a feel for ANY game, let alone a sports game. A game usually has more than one mode. So, if this were Battlefield we were talking about, then a 6 hr time limit would only be enough time to cover the campaign, assuming you never die while playing. But there's still the other modes to consider.
Sports games have more than just quick play modes. You have franchise/association modes, practice modes, roster editing, online play, etc. Not too mention even a single game of Madden with 5 minute quarters can take over an hour to complete, with all the timeouts, breaks and stoppages that can all occur in a game. And that's assuming you don't end up going to overtime.
3. For those who keep posting that screencap, saying "for a limited time" is not the same as saying "for 6 hours across 5 days".
4. Comparing this to the PS+ timed trials is not really beneficial to the discussion; A better comparison is EA Season Ticket. In that now-defunct program, you got to play the game for an unlimited time frame within the early access window. The "Access" version of this version of early access is a regression from how it used to be.
Hopefully, people will read this post before going "lol why is everyone outraged?"
LOL at all the people that think paying for what used to be a free demo is great or "alright".
The Madden access they had before used to have allowed the game to be played for 5 days straight before release. Now they throw this out to you and its still "great". Amazing.
EA Access:
Pay 5$ or 30$ for a 6 Hour Trial that used to be free as a demo
Get Access to Year old sports games that no one will give a rats ass about when the new one is out anyway. And if you really believe they will release their other big IP on EA Access within 6month timeframes then prepare to be disappointed.
5$ off a digital game you cant resell. You can get 5$ off the physical disc literally ANYWHERE just look. Hell Gamestop gives 5$ off for preordering.
But I guess people are fine with wasting money for the convenience of not having to get up to switch a disc...
Laughing Banana said:Man I dunno. It's cool that you don't want to participate in this program but in my humble opinion it's totally not cool for you to openly laugh in the face of your fellow GAF members that decide to join this program.
You don't get to "Oh it's cool, it's cool, up to you." and say stuff like "I am laughing and amused by you." in the same sentence and expect people not to be upset.
But eh, I guess it's whatever.
Who are you talking about, Sony?What a surprise, someone in the industry who doesn't like when consumers make a stand about something.
It's not for your benefit. It's for my own. And other people also have to make sure they support companies that are supportive of gamers, not submitting practices that hurt us. You guys really think you just are owed our money, don't you?
Who are you talking about, Sony?
Lol nvm, think I read your post wrongWhat are you talking about?
Lol nvm, think I read your post wrong
What a surprise, someone in the industry who doesn't like when consumers make a stand about something.
It's not for your benefit. It's for my own. And other people also have to make sure they support companies that are supportive of gamers, not submitting practices that hurt us. You guys really think you just are owed our money, don't you?
Edit: I mean, just listen. You're saying "it's FIVE DOLLARS" as if that money is just something we should give away without consideration. Everything I buy I think about and evaluate before I do. That's called being responsible.
I'm not laughing at them. I am laughing at the idea that so many people are willing to support the company after all they've done, and all they continue to do. That is so amazing to me. That's a legitimate feeling. If you're offended by that, I apologize.
What are you talking about?
Edit: If you're talking about Sony not doing this, I'm against that. I think gamers should have a choice to buy EA subscription service, even if I personally don't trust them enough yet after all they've done to buy in. I do not think that is smart of Sony to arbitrarily start deciding when something is a "value" to their consumers
Well people say 5 dollars because, it gives you access to:
4 games for a month.
If you subscribe on a month for a game that you like from EA, you get access to the full game for 6 hours and if you are sure to keep it, you get a %10 discount on top of that.
People are not arguing that anyone should give their money away. I'm arguing that there is Value to this proposition.
jetjevons said:Uh. You weren't saying that at all. My bad.
Pretty much. This why i find it hilarious when anyone talks about value as if it isn't subjective.It's none of anyone's goddam business what an individual elects to pay for what access to what game for what timeframe. Just so long as they know upfront exactly what they are getting for their money.
But by all means, crusade away.
Pretty much. This why i find it hilarious when anyone talks about value as if it isn't subjective.
I didn't say you didbut i wasn't saying that. So... yeah. <:/
I don't know why people keep arguing this point with me. Never once did I say others cannot calculate a combination of reasons to suggest it is valuable to them. My argument is more nuanced, it's about my reasons and it's more largely about me being amazed so many people are yet again willing to put their trust in a company that even this second is mired in Sims 4 controversy. Being just a really poor company, in my view. I hope everyone can access the service, but I am observing closely to see how it does and how people react to it over the longer term. We don't even have to consider how often they are voted worst company, just browse the gaming websites a bit and go a few months back and read how many negative stories they are associated with. So you have to admit there is reason for skepticism.
I feel like we're going in circles now, so I'm not sure if I have any better points to make. I just hope those who buy in get what they want out of it, and that none of my pessimism bares itself out.
Dang bro, nearly chopped my head off! lol It's cool
Are you upset that EA is not letting you finish a single player campaign of a new game for $5?
You're one of my heroes on GAF. I just respond badly to people telling people what they should and shouldn't do with their time or energy or money (which you weren't!).
Meh, I'm okay with this. If it means I can try Dragon Age on the Xbone before I decide to buy it, I'm okay with that. And more or less, wasn't this meant to be more of a demo type feature?
Yeah I understand. I don't like when people do that to me either.
I think this will be fascinating to watch over the next few years no matter which side of this fence we fall down on. The industry is about to go through a lot of changes, some good, some bad. It'll be interesting to see where it all settles down into. Will AA titles return? Will VR be the next cutting edge technology to revolutionize the industry? Will subscription services begin to dominate the way people access games? Will the next systems be more centrally all-digital?
I think it's a very interesting time to be a gamer, and I guess that means by default it's going to be divisive. I guess I live for that sort of thing, it's exciting!
People consider values for different things. As we're establishing that fact, someone else's "I don't care money" is someone else's "I need to consider my choices more carefully" money. $30 is not chump change for many people. But, I do have the money. For me, it's about principles. I don't support companies that are consistently treating the very consumers that buy their products. Supporting them in ventures like this means I would in some sense be endorsing their behaving, saying it doesn't matter what they do because they know they can always depend on my cash.
There are also other considerations that factor slightly, but when put against that larger principled stand get magnified. For instance, I don't trust EA, so of course I am not comfortable with the idea of my purchases being beholden to some digital service of theirs, waiting to disappear into the ether the second they give up or quit or close shop. These considerations are real.
I am not discounting at all that others may find it valuable, and don't care how distrustful EA has proven to be. That much is clear, there are people who just don't care. That's why this is a discussion forum though, 'cause it's a place for us to share our diverse opinions on the hot topics of the day.
I probably would be less engaged in this topic were it not for the severe implications of EA's service being a success. If they are successful, other publishers might jump on board with their own service. And the path that leads this industry down is a perilous one indeed in my view.
All that said, I still think Sony should have allowed EA to do this, and let the customers decide if it was the appropriate value and if they trust EA. I would side with the customers won't don't trust them, since they have demonstrated at a neverending rate that nobody should, but that doesn't mean I believe the choice should be taken away.
Anti Consumer? Scam? WHAT?
Yeah, that's hyperbole, but seriously, as a PS4 owner who doesn't plan one getting a xbone, I am not feeling like I'm missing out here one bit.... even if I was rabid for their games (mayyyybe NHL15 this year, but other than that, meh).
$5 a month for extended demos and some discounts.... meanwhile, PS+ is $2.50 a month (bought 3 years @30/yr during last BF) and I get a lot more for that.
So, not "scam", "anti-consumer", etc... but definitely a solid MEH.
Yeah, that's hyperbole, but seriously, as a PS4 owner who doesn't plan one getting a xbone, I am not feeling like I'm missing out here one bit.... even if I was rabid for their games (mayyyybe NHL15 this year, but other than that, meh).
$5 a month for extended demos and some discounts.... meanwhile, PS+ is $2.50 a month (bought 3 years @30/yr during last BF) and I get a lot more for that.
So, not "scam", "anti-consumer", etc... but definitely a solid MEH.
Yeah, that's hyperbole, but seriously, as a PS4 owner who doesn't plan one getting a xbone, I am not feeling like I'm missing out here one bit.... even if I was rabid for their games (mayyyybe NHL15 this year, but other than that, meh).
$5 a month for extended demos and some discounts.... meanwhile, PS+ is $2.50 a month (bought 3 years @30/yr during last BF) and I get a lot more for that.
So, not "scam", "anti-consumer", etc... but definitely a solid MEH.
So funny to see how people use things to their advantage. Example: if you are pro EA you say it costs 30$ a year. Anti EA and it's 5$ a month. Not really on topic. But hey. Psychology
Can you explain why they downgraded from unlimited play within the early access window in the Season Ticket program, to 6 hours in EA Access?
A real, proper response please. Not just writing me off as a troll in an attempt to delegitimize my concern and the concerns of others...
Actually that was just my laziness... I saw someone say it was $5/month and responded.
I still wouldn't even say it's nearly on PAR with PS+ though, even at the same price.
I'm not upset at anything. But this is a downgrade from Season Ticket. That's a fact.
Also, I like how the arguments that Amir0x is getting right now is essentially "Well company A & B did thing, therefore you should hate all companies."
We ain't talking about other companies, playboy... we talking about EA...
2. 6 hours is not enough time to get a feel for ANY game, let alone a sports game. A game usually has more than one mode
So, if this were Battlefield we were talking about, then a 6 hr time limit would only be enough time to cover the campaign, assuming you never die while playing. But there's still the other modes to consider.
Also, I like how the arguments that Amir0x is getting right now is essentially "Well company A & B did thing, therefore you should hate all companies."
We ain't talking about other companies, playboy... we talking about EA...
Let me quote you again to refresh your mind.
You argue that 6 hours is not enough to get the feel of a game... I know about opinions and such, but this seems rather picky... there are people that know that a game is not for them from a 3 min trailer, let alone 6 hours with the full game.
And this is where my comment comes from. You argue that not having enough time (6 hours in this case), to finish the campaign and play all the modes for $5 is bad somehow...?
Please explain to me how this doesn't make you look like someone that is upset that EA is not letting you play a full campaign for $5?
If you could please explain it to me as if it were a child.
What the heck you talking about brother? I don't know if you're reading anything I'm saying, "playboy", but every complaint I made has been against EA. Their Dungeon Keeper controversy, Sims 4 controversy, Sims City Controversy, Machinima Ad Scandal, online passes. Every single one of these, the only complaints I have listed even though there are many other examples, are about EA.
You may disagree with me, but please actually read.
What the heck you talking about brother? I don't know if you're reading anything I'm saying, "playboy", but every complaint I made has been against EA. Their Dungeon Keeper controversy, Sims 4 controversy, Sims City Controversy, Machinima Ad Scandal, online passes. Every single one of these, the only complaints I have listed even though there are many other examples, are about EA.
You may disagree with me, but please actually read.