Professor Beef
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...I don't like the sudden shift this thread has taken.
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Effective character design: Sonic now vs Sonic then
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
Yeah...think I'm gonna go jerk off and go to sleep now...
Seven Force
Banned
What in the fuck is this comparison about?
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
I gotta agree with this one. X is the best character re-design in gaming history. Mega Man will always equal X for me.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
I love Yuji Uekawa's redesigns from the Adventure era. When it came out I was a teenager on the California coast so all of that surfer-esque art bullshit kind of appealed to me. The Dreamcast was 'cool' back then, even complete jockey douche-cakes went around with Dreamcast swirl logo jerseys.
The new CG is look is a bit of a step down in my opinion, but in the wake of the whole 'CG animal movie' movement of the mid 2000s I can see where it might be appealing for a new generation, my nephew loves the hell out of Sonic and he's never touched a 'classic' 2d game save for Sonic CD on mobiles.
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As for the X vs Megaman design argument... it's not really the same thing and classic Sonic vs Modern Sonic since they're not actually the same character. It's more like this:
The latter being much better.
The new CG is look is a bit of a step down in my opinion, but in the wake of the whole 'CG animal movie' movement of the mid 2000s I can see where it might be appealing for a new generation, my nephew loves the hell out of Sonic and he's never touched a 'classic' 2d game save for Sonic CD on mobiles.
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As for the X vs Megaman design argument... it's not really the same thing and classic Sonic vs Modern Sonic since they're not actually the same character. It's more like this:
The latter being much better.
Net_Wrecker
Member
New NEW Sonic looks fine. Not the Dreamcast one with his weird sneakers, or the lanky Sonic 06 one, but the Smash Bros Brawl, Colors, and Generations version. He isn't cutesy "Mickey Mouse with 'Tude" Sonic of the Genesis era, but it's a great looking update.
So the robots, because ok I was gonna make a capcom megaman joke but that's just mean at this point.
I am sorry.
Also, I take shadow the hedgehog more seriously than rush limbaugh, who or what you take seriously is up to you.
I think he's arguing that Mega Man X fans shouldn't complain about Sonic games being too serious just because Mega Man X is serious.
He's been running a lot.
Lightning Lord
Banned
But how does that prove your point that fan art is indicative of effective character design? I've seen TETRIS fan art.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
1991, 1997 and the one on the bottom right all look fine, all different interpretations of the character. Everything else looks....eugh. I think I like 1997 version the best. Slimmed down just a bit from the original but still cartoony.
Professor Beef
Banned
Personally, I think they should've used the Sonic Riders art style more often.
Why make this kind of assertion if you have no way to prove it?
What the fu
how does comparing Rus
... this is a joke? I guess?
OK, whatever, enjoy your thread.
gutter_trash
Banned
his fan base split from the old timers who only like him on the Genesis
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this new breed of bizzaro fans who read fanfics, and draw strange furry fantasy drawings and shit
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this new breed of bizzaro fans who read fanfics, and draw strange furry fantasy drawings and shit
quite true, but the amount of fan art produced is what I am getting at. Fan bases thanks to the internet can share more things, while you cant definitely measure how much fan art of who is getting made, some things have alot more people producing content because of it.
Its not just games , its... everything. probably bunches and bunches of fan art of mickey mouse, woody the woodpecker... eh.
There is a lot more content being produced for new sonic than old sonic, and it makes sense because its new. And it attracted a lot of people to it, it also pushed people away with bad games.
So it's okay to assume every Sonic fan are like this?
The Albatross
Member
Relative to the total number of gamers in 1993 versus today, do you think that Sonic's fanbase has grown since then?
SteveWinwood
Member
You couldn't have waited a month and a couple posts to make this thread yourself?
This was that important?
This was that important?
HolyBaikal
Banned
I have mixed feelings about Amy Rose in general.
I like old Amy Rose's design a bit more. Though I kind of like the new one as well. Also while she was cute in Sonic CD, she was a damsel in distress. It is kind of nice that she has escaped the damsel in distress role in later games.
I also like "Team Rose" aside from Big the Cat. It is kind of cool how Cream is a sidekick to Amy like Tails is a sidekick to Sonic. I also miss how they used to characterize her as a tomboy. Now she's a shopaholic. I also miss the fortune teller angle of her character. That was interesting. I wouldn't have developed her character the way they did at all, and I'd give her latent psychic powers.
If I was at SEGA, though, I would redesign the characters, and make them slightly more "classic" looking.
I like old Amy Rose's design a bit more. Though I kind of like the new one as well. Also while she was cute in Sonic CD, she was a damsel in distress. It is kind of nice that she has escaped the damsel in distress role in later games.
I also like "Team Rose" aside from Big the Cat. It is kind of cool how Cream is a sidekick to Amy like Tails is a sidekick to Sonic. I also miss how they used to characterize her as a tomboy. Now she's a shopaholic. I also miss the fortune teller angle of her character. That was interesting. I wouldn't have developed her character the way they did at all, and I'd give her latent psychic powers.
If I was at SEGA, though, I would redesign the characters, and make them slightly more "classic" looking.
The Albatross
Member
No more okay than it is to assume that every CoD or GoW fan is a 'dude bro' schmuck, etc, etc. This forum, hell this whole industry, runs of generalizations.
"Everyone does it too so it's okay!"
That's an extremely ignorant and lackluster statement to make. Not only does it exude laziness from the poster but it shows a failure to understand the nature of the community as a whole. Please take this stuff elsewhere where it's actually applicable.
I think it's fascinating.
Eh, I someone suggested doing this, so i did, whats the harm.
People agree, people disagree, I learn how gaf feels about this, thread goes away, we all talk about E3 hype.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The lore and stuff in the Adventure games was shit, so I'm a-ok with this
Don't let him get to you. A lot of what you said is very true.
So... is this post one of the evidence that supports your tag?
The Albatross
Member
Yes, actually.
Stop getting offended, it's not like these unfair generalizations aren't grounded in a reality in which there are an overwhelming amount of bizarre sonic fan fiction and fan art. Is "bizarre" an unfair word? Sure. Is it unfair to generalize? Yes. I'm sure you generalize too.
Yep! Although I actually like Adventure 1's lore. 2's on the other hand... bleh. It did have its moments though...
If I've generalized a person just for something they don't do, I would apologize rather than to say "NOPE. THIS IS HOW THE INDUSTRY WORKS!! DEAL WITH IT!!!".
Oh I am quite ok, I am a sonic fan, do you know amount of crazy things I have seen.
Someone said they were going to rape and kill my mother because I liked and I remember this clearly " I liked shadow and I am gay and I should die"
This, eh.
baphomet
Member
The thought that someone can find the modern sonic a better character design than the classic blows my mind. It's like when a sitcoms ratings start to lag they add the new kid in to try and bring them back up. That's what happened with sonic. They started selling less, so someone had the idea to add a bunch of characters with attitude to try and make him popular again. Not realizing that the reason they weren't selling as well is because they were releasing garbage.
Augmented Batman
Neo Member
Accept no substitute.
He ain't gonna let it get to him, he just gon creep
partyphone
Banned
A lot of the examples in the OP are just characters showing emotion. I'm not sure how they communicate anything about the character other than "hi I'm a one dimensional stereotype". Which seems to be true about Sonic characters.
Also, what's wrong with blue exactly? You say it's a mistake but don't even attempt to explain why.
Also, what's wrong with blue exactly? You say it's a mistake but don't even attempt to explain why.
Accept no substitute.
Yes. I am sorry .
SteveWinwood
Member
There is no harm do what you want. I like the sonic adventure design. I just think it's kind of funny it couldn't wait a month.
Its a color theory thing, red is a more heated color, Its used for a lot of main characters.
Its why the red ranger, is well red.
partyphone
Banned
But Sonic is supposed to be too cool for school. Which to me says blue not red.
Sonic's "modern" designs reflect him as an adventurer type of guy, and the stories also go that way. So, for the games, they are good. The quality of the games overall did not go always like that (daylight Unleashed, Colors and Generations being the good ones), but I don't think the modern designs have any kind of influence on that. Also, if you want to go to the realistic argument (for a talking hedgehog?), a character who runs like that would've got slimmer either way.
That being said, I always loved the chubby Sonic. His design also reflected what the games were about.
That being said, I always loved the chubby Sonic. His design also reflected what the games were about.
You called people you don't know freaks, man. And now you're trying to downplay it by playing the "its okay because everyone else does it" card. Why aren't we allowed to use racial slurs on GAF? Isn't the world full of racial discrimination? Why can't we make fun of other's sexual orientation? Should a gay GAF member not be offended since we live in a world were homophobic tropes aren't looked down upon by a majority of society?