My favorite part of Demon and Dark is how it's really tame at first, Swing Your Sword, Do a Roll, etc etc and you're fighting basic slow zombies enemies and then it's all like "WTFBBQOMGWHATISHAPPENINGIMDEAD!"
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Eiji Aonuma wants to include less tutorials in new Wii U Zelda
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My favorite part of Demon and Dark is how it's really tame at first, Swing Your Sword, Do a Roll, etc etc and you're fighting basic slow zombies enemies and then it's all like "WTFBBQOMGWHATISHAPPENINGIMDEAD!"
Holy Order Sol
Member
We're talking about tutorials here. ALBW was very light on these and general information, to the extent that some people actually went through most of the game without being able to assign a second item.
I really liked Skyloft too, but it would have been nice if you could discover and appreciate all that stuff organically instead of being lead by the nose for well over an hour at the beginning of the game.
Came here for this. Virtual pint for you.
I was fine with it. I get why people want quicker intros, though.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
While that was a bit long for some, I think more people were annoyed by Fi's constant interruptions throughout the game more than the beginning tutorial section.
I hope they put this in the game, you go into a cave and some old man gives you the sword saying that
I really liked Skyloft, and the tutorial wasn't that bad to me, plus it had some great character building for Zelda. Subsequent playthroughs got a little worse, but it was still not as bad as people say it was
RMS Gigantic
Member
I would be especially fascinated if he did what was done with the very first Zelda game:
Put you in the world, you figure out your own controls and find the dungeons. Especially nowadays, folks can use the internet/Miiverse if stuck or simply weak.
Put you in the world, you figure out your own controls and find the dungeons. Especially nowadays, folks can use the internet/Miiverse if stuck or simply weak.
lol, we must have played a completely different game. I waggle-killed a ton in that game.
Just give people the option at the start of the game:
> I am a hardcore gamer, leave me alone
> I am a noob, help me with everything that might frustrate me
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
They will complain about the heavy bow use. Aunoma has alluded to the next Zelda relaying heavy on the Gamerpad, and with the recent trailer, I'm assuming they will make full use of Gamerpad gyro to control the bow (similar to the Nintendoland minigame). Combined that with what whatever else they do with the Gamerpad and you will have complaints galore!
Ultimadrago
Member
Yeah. Gigantic world has shot to the top of my "most excited" and "most skeptical" features because of this. Will the team be prepared to create a large world that's fun and enjoying to explore?
It's really that easy. Many games do that already, no reason it can't happen in Zelda as well.
Fi's interruptions were definitely a big sticking point, especially if you can't resist the urge to call on her when the game prompts you to, which will result in either the vaguest hint towards what you need to do, or solving the entire puzzle for you. Thankfully, I had read about those prompts being entirely optional, so that was never an issue for me, but I wouldn't have known that if someone hadn't already experienced that pain.
johnsavage
Member
I think the reason I can never restart Twilight Princess is because of the long, boring tutorials in the beginning of the game. I wish there was a way to skip those. I don't want to fish.
Glass Rebel
Member
I'm loving this new Aonuma.
DrDrizzay101
Member
They are saying all the right things so far. Must... restrain... hype train.... keep expectations in check....
SS tutorial section was less oppressive to me than TP's intro just because the motion controls were so novel. Link Between Worlds demonstrated a better way to tutorialize: show, don't tell. Game design that subtly guides the player while leaving space to think and learn for themselves
SS tutorial section was less oppressive to me than TP's intro just because the motion controls were so novel. Link Between Worlds demonstrated a better way to tutorialize: show, don't tell. Game design that subtly guides the player while leaving space to think and learn for themselves
Woot woot. I mean, I don't know that I believe him - fans also complained about the long boring intro/tutorial section of Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword still had a long & boring intro/tutorial section. But apparently the new 3DS one is better?
I'm hopeful, but not holding my breath. Still wish they had gotten Aunoma on another series, and let another studio take a crack at Zelda.
Edit: And Skyloft is only a 30 minute optional exercise if you already know that it's a 30 minute optional exercise. If you make the mistake of thinking there might be important things going on in this floating city you start off in, you can easily spend far more time exploring and looking for important things to do (which you won't find).
I'm hopeful, but not holding my breath. Still wish they had gotten Aunoma on another series, and let another studio take a crack at Zelda.
Edit: And Skyloft is only a 30 minute optional exercise if you already know that it's a 30 minute optional exercise. If you make the mistake of thinking there might be important things going on in this floating city you start off in, you can easily spend far more time exploring and looking for important things to do (which you won't find).
ratcliffja
Member
Less tutorialage.
hmm.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
I doubt the new Zelda game will simply throw players in the world. I'm guessing we'll start off in a very simple to navigate dungeon before completely opening up the world to players to travel in any way you wish.
ratcliffja
Member
You finally found your French twin.
victreeb3l
Member
Thank Hylia
The more I hear about the next Zelda's direction, the worse this wait becomes.
The more I hear about the next Zelda's direction, the worse this wait becomes.
Hyperactivity
Banned
/didn't he already do this in ALBW? Unless he means even LESS tutorials
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I don't mind introductions/tutorials as it gives me a chance to ease into the game/enjoy looking around.
However, as others have said, I don't need any further/repeated instructions (i.e. Fi) once the game gets going.
However, as others have said, I don't need any further/repeated instructions (i.e. Fi) once the game gets going.
dampflokfreund
Banned
You mean more complex dungeons with more ways? Hell yes, the recent Zelda dungeons have been way too linear I never got stuck
he keeps saying all the things I want to hear.
I still remember when my older brother bought Twilight Princess for Wii - it was his first Zelda so I guess he was the target audience of the longass tutorials, but they failed miserably. He just wanted to start playing the game, not spend 3 hours talking to grotesque NPCs in a village.
I still remember when my older brother bought Twilight Princess for Wii - it was his first Zelda so I guess he was the target audience of the longass tutorials, but they failed miserably. He just wanted to start playing the game, not spend 3 hours talking to grotesque NPCs in a village.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
That's what I'm thinking.
Disorientator
Member
They could always take the help/hint/Super Guide route, even for the "initial" boring -control- tutorials.
Make everything optional.
Forgot the controls? Give user the option to play a short clip/interactive training and that's it.
Good news nevertheless.
Make everything optional.
Forgot the controls? Give user the option to play a short clip/interactive training and that's it.
Good news nevertheless.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sounds good, the constant instructions and hand holding in SS were a bit much. Although "four to five hours before you can start playing" is a fairly ridiculous hyperbole.
LegendofLex
Member
Yes, but as it looks like Zelda Wii U is ditching the motion controls, will we get the bokoblins of TP (mash B to win) or the bokoblins of SS (pinpoint attacks to circumvent guard)?
spookyfish
Gold Member
For.
I don't know, I seem to recall Aonuma talking up Skyward Sword pre-launch like it was the second coming of Majora's Mask.
It wasn't.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
that was before Link Between Worlds, tho
Hyperactivity
Banned
This is great, but a little redundant given that SS's intro wasn't THAT bad and ALBW nailed this