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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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efyu_lemonardo
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In my meaningless opinion Nintendo was too arrogant to accept that Wii's success was due to an exceptionally rare combination of events. Had they worried about their brand perception more perhaps they would have made some bigger deals for exclusive games on the system.
Nintendo is a huge company. They'd need a lot more software revenue than they currently bring in to thrive as a third-party. This means that they need more games, and they need western-style games to appeal to the mainstream gaming demographic. It's nice to think that all of Nintendo's games will triple in sales by being put on three platforms, but that isn't the case. The vast majority of Nintendo's demographic buy their consoles, as proven by the astounding attach rates.
You think that they're going to take the mistakes of Wii U and 3DS, and make them worse... You must have an astronomically low opinion of Nintendo's competence. I could maybe see the console being $300, but the handheld at $250 again? Please.
efyu_lemonardo
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I hear youI honestly don't know. What works for Sony might not work for Nintendo.
I only know it's what I would have them do, for selfish reasons.
CrispyBoar
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Looks like there goes Nintendo's chance of having decent 3rd party support again.
As it says: If we don't doomed the past, then we are forever doomed to repeat the doomed in the...
where the eff are the doom reviews anyway?
The prices seems fine, but for that price you could have a much stronger console. Also just wanted to say that how someone already knows what power the nx would have. Doesn't a few people from hardware division only knows that?
If she really knows it, why don't she knows more about the system beside a few specs that looks even more diffecult to know
It's crazy imo cause Nintendo is not going to skip a generation in power. It's the one thing I've been confident of since day one, and before all rumors. Whether it's a smaller generational leap, or bigger one, I feel I'd in my grave before they outright jumped over a generation in power, mid-gen no less. It just wasn't going to happen.
Them catching up mid-gen (~3 years later) is about the best one could hope for
I also don't see the obsession with Nintendo chasing the other guys from some people being healthy in the long run.
They have not bothered for a long time, why hope they would now when all is said and done?
You have PC, Playstation and Xbox for your gaming needs in that case. Nintendo is right to be doing something different. They just need to find their best niche
They have not bothered for a long time, why hope they would now when all is said and done?
You have PC, Playstation and Xbox for your gaming needs in that case. Nintendo is right to be doing something different. They just need to find their best niche
She is becoming a rumor factory. Her name is becoming familiar to forums, her twitter account growing, and it seems to result in more rumors. Everything from VC localizations, to Japanese first-party software, to now technical hardware specs. I mean who knows these things? What rumor has she actually single handedly produced that came true?
Dark Cloud
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Big whoop it doesn't release for another 10 months. Nintendo isn't obligated to announce the NX because people have "rumors" of the NX all over the internet. You'll know what it is before it's released.And to think we're going to continue with this until who the f knows when Nintendo decides to unveil the stupid device. I'm running out of patience tbh
I honestly don't know. What works for Sony might not work for Nintendo.
I only know it's what I would have them do, for selfish reasons.
And thats the key to that argument. The ones wanting specific numbers and specific GPU's and such for power are the hardcore forum goers. That just is not Nintendo's demographic. And its not a big enough demographic or consistent for Nintendo to target. No one is leaving the XB or PS ecosystem for a same looking CoD on NX. Those that really want to play Nintendo games are already buying their system as a secondary to PC, XB or PS. It just makes no sense for Nintendo to compete on that level with the other options out there that are already ingrained. I really don't fault them at all for being insular in most cases (except simple things like Account systems) because they need to set themselves apart in other ways. They really do need to embrace the "second console" status, make their system affordable. Even as a "second console" they could still be a number one console seller ala Wii.
Yep. Matching PS4 is about as much as anyone should really dream of, and even that might be unrealistic. Hell, I'll be happy if it comes close to XBox One.
Theanine3D
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How many people who demand 3rd party support would actually stop buying 3rd party games for their PS4 / XBO and buy them for NX instead? People are already entrenched in other platforms and ecosystems, where all of their friends are. What reason would they have to buy NX versions instead?
Nintendo is better off releasing a cheap console that does something unique to set itself apart, while focusing on fixing their own first-party pipeline, as their first-party offerings are the main reason anyone still buys their consoles. Wii U had severe first party droughts from the beginning to end, no surprise why it sold so badly. Having only one or two notable titles per year is not OK. They need to expand massively and fill the gaps in releases, and yes that means also making sure genres they traditionally don't make are there for those who want them (whether it's through deals with outside developers, like Platinum or Capcom, or making the games themselves in-house). That is, if they actually care about expanding their customer base beyond the ever-hemorrhaging one they have now.
Nintendo is better off releasing a cheap console that does something unique to set itself apart, while focusing on fixing their own first-party pipeline, as their first-party offerings are the main reason anyone still buys their consoles. Wii U had severe first party droughts from the beginning to end, no surprise why it sold so badly. Having only one or two notable titles per year is not OK. They need to expand massively and fill the gaps in releases, and yes that means also making sure genres they traditionally don't make are there for those who want them (whether it's through deals with outside developers, like Platinum or Capcom, or making the games themselves in-house). That is, if they actually care about expanding their customer base beyond the ever-hemorrhaging one they have now.
Dr.brain64
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-Can't wait to see mario, zelda etc with ps3 level graphics
-But the console will cost $400... because nintendo
Anyways I think nintendo will always be cheap when it comes to power and I don't think we'll ever see a nintendo-ip game with top ps3-type graphics (yes ps3)
As always, it will be my smash console and not much more. Will it sell better this time? Perhaps if they actually allow a proper budget for their top games. Also, nintendo has always been the most expensive overall compared to ms and sony.
Of course this is my point of view as a gaming hardcore (know-it-all) consumer.
-But the console will cost $400... because nintendo
Anyways I think nintendo will always be cheap when it comes to power and I don't think we'll ever see a nintendo-ip game with top ps3-type graphics (yes ps3)
As always, it will be my smash console and not much more. Will it sell better this time? Perhaps if they actually allow a proper budget for their top games. Also, nintendo has always been the most expensive overall compared to ms and sony.
Of course this is my point of view as a gaming hardcore (know-it-all) consumer.
The console will definitely be a teraflop in one sense...
I couldn't resist.
My eyes just rolled out of their sockets. I'll send you the bill for fixing this.
efyu_lemonardo
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That's a bit harsh. What PS3 games are you thinking of particularly?
wonderful103
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You have all that now already.
Though you don't seem to know it all if you're just going for cheap forum fodder trolling.
Are you saying that Xbone produces PS3 level graphics?
E-Cat
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Nah, it will exaflop at the least.
All that says is that the marketing team needs a shake-up. I hate this notion of "oh, they tried doing this industry standard thing in the past so they shouldn't do it again or it might be bad". It's nonsense. You see this especially when talking about voice acting in Nintendo games - the solution isn't to never do if again, it's to fire the old team and hire people capable of doing their job. It's that simple.
wonderful103
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Going back, should this be believable?
No
No, he's saying that Nintendo sucks at graphics and everything on Wii U paled in comparison to PS3 graphics by a significant margin, so they need am Xbone-level machine to get PS3-level graphics.
Yeah, this thread is resulting in some... "interesting" posts...
Going back, should this be believable?
Nope. That wasn't even a rumor. That was just some random crap.
E-Cat
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On select titles, I think that Nintendo actually punches above their weight in hardware.
-Pyromaniac-
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more should be like you. I get wanting nintendo to make awesome AAA games and get 3rd party support but that will just drown them further as a company. They're better off becoming self sustaining and gaining a big enough base and opening it up to indies/app devs.
This has a lot of potential if they get the initial hardware/pricing right.
Well one can wear these shoes when Nintendo is doing the same stuff for the las 10-12 years.
NX is a family of products as far as we have as official info from Nintendo. Not necessarily everything releasing in march 2017 though.
Want :l
Serenitynow
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Wait so why are people saying NX will be weaker than X1? I thought the implication was that it would be between X1 and PS4.
Also one constant rumor that we've been hearing over and over again these past few months has been "the NX is super easy to port to." I feel like that's been a consistent thing, as opposed to gimmick and power-level which have often been contested. Does having something other than x86 architecture automatically mean it won't be easy to port to?
Also one constant rumor that we've been hearing over and over again these past few months has been "the NX is super easy to port to." I feel like that's been a consistent thing, as opposed to gimmick and power-level which have often been contested. Does having something other than x86 architecture automatically mean it won't be easy to port to?
The GameCubes retail failure was due to many misteps.
- Radically different controller that turned of the 'mature' crowd and developers, despite being a fantastic design IMO.
- Toy-like appearance that only cemented Nintendo's kiddie stigma.
-Higher royalty costs for 3rd parties
-1.5 Gb discs and NO DVD PLAYBACK.
-Virtually zero online support or effort.
Spieler Eins
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What phase is the chalkboard?
I'm not sure much of your list is even at the top of the reasons why GameCube underperformed. What's your source for the higher royalty costs? You don't even list their lackluster launch and the loss of all their successful western first party IPs which heavily bolstered the N64's success in the west.
JetSetRadio
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They put their games on netflix and call it a day.
Eolz
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It's not. It was said from the start from Nintendo that the NX home console would replace the WiiU and that something unannounced would replace the 3DS. Iwata said they would work together "like brothers", but also dismissed the hybrid idea.
There never was talk of one device replacing both.
Because people can't read. It isn't going to be less powerful than the X1, as powerful at worst.
And no, ARM doesn't really mean it's less easy to port a game.
Chopper Dave
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A system like what Emily is describing is Nintendo's XB1/PS4. It can run the same games and middleware engines those two can. The wiiU cannot. Nintendo did not discover alien technology that would allow them to blow away XB1/PS4 at the same price. That's reality for ya.
Higher royalty costs is well known lol. 3rd party support left because of the reasons listed, the power of the system is the only thing that kept the few left on board.
PS2 launch software was abysmal.
Proelite
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From her wording it seems that the NX is close to and but weaker than the Xb1. Potentially significantly weaker if closer part was a stretch.
If true NX will be cheap, low tdp, and small. I find it hard to believe it be an off the shell APU from AMD without being x86. They dont have any products with arm except for server CPU.
If true NX will be cheap, low tdp, and small. I find it hard to believe it be an off the shell APU from AMD without being x86. They dont have any products with arm except for server CPU.
Nintendo approaches hardware like they do games. They try to do something fun that hasn't been done before in terms of how it plays.
You might have wanted a shooter. Maybe a Golden Eye sequel. But you got Splatoon instead where you paint walls and turn into a squid to swim through the paint. They weren't going to make the same shooter everyone else makes. The paint mechanic makes the game play different and sets it apart.
They approach hardware the same way. They want to put in some new twist on how you play their games in order to keep them fresh. They want something that sets them apart. MarioMaker, Nintendoland, Wii Party U, GAme & Wario, Star Fox Zero, all are or have unique experiences made possible because of the hardware.
You might have wanted a shooter. Maybe a Golden Eye sequel. But you got Splatoon instead where you paint walls and turn into a squid to swim through the paint. They weren't going to make the same shooter everyone else makes. The paint mechanic makes the game play different and sets it apart.
They approach hardware the same way. They want to put in some new twist on how you play their games in order to keep them fresh. They want something that sets them apart. MarioMaker, Nintendoland, Wii Party U, GAme & Wario, Star Fox Zero, all are or have unique experiences made possible because of the hardware.
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