I don't consider performance art to have a statement without some sort of defecation involved.Didn't she pee on it first?
I don't consider performance art to have a statement without some sort of defecation involved.Didn't she pee on it first?
So a recreation of what she alleges happened isn't about her specific alleged assault?
It's like saying that Carcetti is based off "a number of people".
Its just strange to hear a rape victim re-enact a rape situation even if its just for show.
Everything that takes place in the following video is consensual but may resemble rape. It is not a reenactment but may seem like one.
Ceci N'est Pas Un Viol is not about one night in August, 2012. It's about your decisions, starting now. It's only a reenactment if you disregard my words. It's about you, not him.
You might be wondering why I've made myself this vulnerable. LookI want to change the world, and that begins with you, seeing yourself. If you watch this video without my consent, then I hope you reflect on your reasons for objectifying me and participating in my rape, for, in that case, you were the one who couldn't resist the urge to make Ceci N'est Pas Un Viol about what you wanted to make it about: rape.
Please, don't participate in my rape. Watch kindly.
Its just strange to hear a rape victim re-enact a rape situation even if its just for show.
I googled the Ceci Nest Pas Un Viol and the first result was article "Mattress Girl Has Already Made A Porno".
Not sure if I should laugh or be pissed off at that title.
I don't consider performance art to have a statement without some sort of defecation involved.
That's not strange at all. I'll be honest, I'm not quite sure I understand what she is doing with this particular video after reading the text on the site, but I do know that it is quite common for some rape victims to have consensual "rape fantasies" with a desire to re-enact scenes with a partner in an attempt to regain control over these events, events which they previously had no control over.
Exactly how I'm feeling right now.I haven't been so confused since i saw Interior Semiotics
I think that's going too far.I think at this point, she and her story has been so discredited that all we can do is laugh.
By putting the video on the internet for everybody to see, isn't she giving her consent?
Maybe that's the reason why she's saying it not related to her assault?I can't imagine this doesn't involve her getting directly sued by the alleged assailant given he's already going after the university for a ton of money for letting the original mattress display go off.
Just because it's there to see doesn't mean it's yours to take.
I think that's the whole point of "Ceci n'est pas un viol": this is not a rape, as opposed to "this rape". Hiding a mixed signal beneath a reference or something.Yea, I don't think her saying 'it's not about THIS rape' should be taken at face value.
I think the point of "this is not rape" is that it is a reenactment of an incident that Columbia deemed to not be rape. And she's trying to let viewers make their own judgement.I think that's the whole point of "Ceci n'est pas un viol": this is not a rape, as opposed to "this rape". Hiding a mixed signal beneath a reference or something.
I think the point of "this is not rape" is that it is a reenactment of an incident that Columbia deemed to not be rape. And she's trying to let viewers make their own judgement.
When I roomed with some people while at SCAD there was one girl that loved to put penises into all her works, models, paintings, sculpts, everything. After living with her for a year you realize that society warrants you to take people at face value but some people just really enjoy getting shock value out of people and will take advantage of that. Regardless of mental illness or trauma.
Serious question: Is she mentally ill?
I think the point of "this is not rape" is that it is a reenactment of an incident that Columbia deemed to not be rape. And she's trying to let viewers make their own judgement.
When I roomed with some people while at SCAD there was one girl that loved to put penises into all her works, models, paintings, sculpts, everything. After living with her for a year you realize that society warrants you to take people at face value but some people just really enjoy getting shock value out of people and will take advantage of that. Regardless of mental illness or trauma.
I'm wracking my brain trying to think of a justification or an angle to come at this from that would seem like a good idea to her, even if it's opaque to everyone else, and I just can't.
I think she's unstable, which would be unfortunate, but understandable.
Worst case, she's just desperate for attention and felt like her 15 minutes were almost up.
But she specifically "warns that the video is not a recreation of the events in August 2012, a reference to the night Sulkowicz claims she was raped by fellow Columbia student, Paul Nungesser."
Now that you mention it, it seems obvious.I think the point of "this is not rape" is that it is a reenactment of an incident that Columbia deemed to not be rape. And she's trying to let viewers make their own judgement.
When I roomed with some people while at SCAD there was one girl that loved to put penises into all her works, models, paintings, sculpts, everything.
The mental illness discrediting in this thread seems a bit transparent to me in their ulterior motives but whatever.
The giant pat on the back you are giving yourself for claiming this is straightforward to you and that anyone else thinking this is really off is far more transparent.
What in the world is straightforward about this?
"If you watch this video without my consent, then I hope you reflect on your reasons for objectifying me and participating in my rape"
I don't get it.
The giant pat on the back you are giving yourself for claiming this is straightforward to you is fare more transparent. Nudge nudge wink wink, hey I didn't actually insult you!
What in the world is straightforward about this?
"If you watch this video without my consent, then I hope you reflect on your reasons for objectifying me and participating in my rape"
Searching:
Are you searching for proof? Proof of what?
Are you searching for ways to either hurt or help me?
What are you looking for?
Desiring:
Do you desire pleasure?
Do you desire revulsion? Is this to counteract your unconscious enjoyment?
What do you want from this experience?
Me:
How well do you think you know me? Have we ever met?
Do you think I'm the perfect victim or the world's worst victim?
Do you refuse to see me as either a human being or a victim? If so, why? Is it to deny me agency and thus further victimize me? If so, what do you think of the fact that you owe your ability to do so to me, since I'm the one who took a risk and made myself vulnerable in the first place?
Do you hate me? If so, how does it feel to hate me?
You just don't understand art. You've never sacrificed for your work.
Maybe that's the reason why she's saying it not related to her assault?
I think the point of "this is not rape" is that it is a reenactment of an incident that Columbia deemed to not be rape. And she's trying to let viewers make their own judgement.
its art!I don't get it.
muddy its meaning. But I do think it's straightforward..
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Also I'm not sure what to make of all this. Was the accused rapist cleared or what? Is there another thread for this?
It's both muddy and straightforward...
You didn't comment on the part I quoted that a lot of people are confused on. It sounds like the rambling of someone who isn't all there; I say that with compassion yet somehow I transparently have some motive according to you.
The video itself isn't confusing to me, her text is. The video itself doesn't make me think she might be mentally ill, the text does.