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European console installed base revealed (as of Dec 2010)
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plagiarize
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is this another thread where we pretend that the PS3 and 360 have been selling uniformly in Europe since their releases, and that you can extrapolate the monthly figures forwards and have that 1 million gap grow linearly over the next couple of years?
i hope not because those threads make me want to break things.
i hope not because those threads make me want to break things.
Paracelsus
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Yeah, it seems hard to believe rest of the world accounts to 9-10 millions of consoles -especially looking at European LTDs-, it feels more like overship-galore.
StealthGoblin
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offshore said:
Indeed. We have to consider several things:
- Sony have never done an excellent job of explaining everything the PS3 can do. They could have picked up more people if people knew what it was capable of.
- For the people who don't give a shit about all the extras - people are price sensitive and there are cheaper alternatives in the Wii and 360.
- The current financial climate in the UK is making everyone more price concious. This is precisely the time when Sony need to expand into the casual audience, but they have the least casual gamer friendly price.
Barack Lesnar
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If you think about it many of our U.S. states are bigger than lots of European countries. I guess there's the language barrier going from country to country, though. Also the population.herod said:
gundamkyoukai said:
which is actually what people said in 2005....
Seriously though DS has been by far and wide the most successful thing Nintendo ever did in Europe, it's unfair to put Wii beside it since they made some obvious mistakes with it (Wii Music really?).
Heck even Sony had its share of good marketing (the whole let's pack 2 bluray with the system early on really helped the hardware moving).
MSFT? Well it's been seen here as mostly the gamers stigma console with its violant shooters and all that.
They've already done better with the Wii than they've done with most of their other products (NES/SNES/N64/GC). They could have done better but it's not like it hasn't been gravvy for them now.
gundamkyoukai
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EagleEyes said:
Not really at 600 everyone with some common sense knew they were fucked.
They lucky they sell as much as they did in EU at that price , coming out 16 months later .
Which help them allot when ps3 was looking like it won't even reach GC numbers in Japan and NA.
Revolutionary
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Hanmik said:
SneakyStephan
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Why do people keep saying 'handhelds are the future'.
For starters there are only 2 products competing : DS and PSP, vs wii/ps3/360/pc.
Then there's the fact that DS is a toy, priced like a toy.
It's something a parent can easily pick up on a whim for their child, whereas spending 200-500 dollars (release -> now) is hardly impulse buy territory.
I've been tempted to pick up a DS on a bored afternoon so many times ,because it's cheap as chips (I'm going to guess that the r4 chip is going to contribute to sales too).
I picked up my psp on a whim back in 2006.
Consoles and handhelds both fill their own niche anyhow, you people talk as if they are competing with eachother.
For starters there are only 2 products competing : DS and PSP, vs wii/ps3/360/pc.
Then there's the fact that DS is a toy, priced like a toy.
It's something a parent can easily pick up on a whim for their child, whereas spending 200-500 dollars (release -> now) is hardly impulse buy territory.
I've been tempted to pick up a DS on a bored afternoon so many times ,because it's cheap as chips (I'm going to guess that the r4 chip is going to contribute to sales too).
I picked up my psp on a whim back in 2006.
Consoles and handhelds both fill their own niche anyhow, you people talk as if they are competing with eachother.
plagiarize
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sorry.Hanmik said:
here's what i was trying to say, while it definately says something of the PS3's performance compared to the 360 that it has reversed the 360's 18 month lead... to just look at how long they've been on the market and how much they've sold in those respective times can't really help you make any predictions.
we know from the UK that throughout 2010 that xbox 360 sales were increasing and PS3 sales were decreasing, for example. it's plausible that the PS3s lead on the 360 in europe decreased last year, for example, spurred on by the Slim 360 and Kinect.
that's all. i mean, when the PS3 slim launched, that had a massive impact. when the 360 slim launch that had an impact, and kinect had a massive impact. the more years we add into the equation the less information we get that we can make predictions from.
sixteen-bit
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Yep, it seems like a monstrous seller.Suzzopher said:
gundamkyoukai
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EagleEyes said:
Sony of course but my point was it's not amazing that they got out sold or numbers are close.
When Sony said 600 at E3 i know they were going to be last place this gen.
I like Sony systems but anyone that said look PS2 sold 130 million means PS3 going to do good should have wipe that idea out there head when they saw the price.
Sony lucky that this gen going to last longer so they can sell more PS3.
Risk Breaker
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shock33 said:
Sorry man, but here in Spain people bought more PSP software than 360 software in the last year.
- PSP --- 1.730.000 (+ 12%)
- Xbox 360 --- 1.515.000 (+ 15%)
I know PSP software doesn't sell A LOT, especially in the US, but it does sell here, at least as good as 360 software. That isn't much though.
Appollowexx
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Heavy said:
It just shows that the PS3 is selling significantley more as it is ahead by a million after launching a year and a half late and costing nearly twice as much. But yeah Japan is where Sony is way ahead of Microsoft, not Europe, and I think in the UK Xbox is now a bigger brand than Playstation. The UK follows American trends generally.
I look forward to seeing if Sony has actually learned from this whole mess when they launch the PS4 in a few years.
supermackem
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Jtyettis said:
Theres a 10 million gap in the us?, whats ww sales now as ps3 seems to be doing well in jpn and eu.
yellowjacket25
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Because in system wars people need something to argue about and the Wii is so far ahead that including it ends the argument.LosDaddie said:
supermackem said:
Bit over 10 last time I looked yea. I put the WW (well Japan, US and Europe data in the OP). About a 4 million difference WW give or take.
yellowjacket25 said:
I doubt there were many who ever thought there would a be 31 million gap between Nintendo and Sony 6 years into this gen. That fact is amazing.
squatingyeti
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Appollowexx said:
It actually doesn't say much since this is not broken down by year. It very well could be that initially, the 360 sold horrendously as the EU waited on the PS3. It could be that the 360 sold poorly as people in the EU believed the PS3 would be this amazing leap over the 360. It could be that the PS3 has just sold that much better than a good selling 360. It could be that the 360 fell behind by much more earlier and has actually been closing the gap that the PS3 opened up.
So, what does it show??
mintylurb said:
UK is 27% of euro wester market only considering 9 biggest territories. Europe has also east countries, but i don't know what is happening there XD
pd. beaten
So this numbers seem like estimates, but considering US and Japan gives us those 4 million 360 lead against PS3 WW. Wii just plays NBA while MS and SOny are Euroleague XD
just compare to US numbers and you will see that , not counting nintendo that as said , are on another level, PS3 sells about the same (a few moths less though) so the market is similar. Just that US is now xboxland.
Reallink
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With that many DS's sold, I am shocked the 3DS wasn't completely pre-sold out within minutes, months in advance. The relatively subdued launch and fanfare suggests a lot of people were either not very satisfied with those 46 million units, or Nintendo did something very wrong with the 3DS (be it price, date, design, games, or gimmick).
About 1/4th of DS.Drkirby said:
That survey was most likely bogus.herod said:
That's an understatement. In fact, Wii has done better in Europe than all of their previous home consoles combined.Mael said:
lowrider007
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Reallink said:
Very poor launch games imo, no store, poor battery, eye strain, I've bought practically every new popular gaming system released day one but not the 3DS, I'm actually surprised by my lack of interest in the system tbh, I'm still temped to grab an XL.
Megadragon15
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From all the European gloating of PS3 sales, I was expecting the gap between the PS3 and 360 to be huge. Nice to know that the gap was around only 1 million in December.
lowrider007
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Megadragon15 said:
Where was all this gloating? I read most of the sales age threads, in fact I would of said it was the other way around to tbh as most people seem to think UK > EU.