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[Explosive Zombie]

lol, demands proof of thing -> says thing doesn't matter, gg booh
I think you preemted that one buddy, your mind is clearly made up so why would anyone respond to your impotent demands
you're coming across really schizo, you went from demanding sales, to saying the topic, PC, doesn't matter because consoles sales, to saying bad sales overall don't count because blank
and you're the only one talking sales, me saying CoD lost popularity on PC after MW2 is like saying water is wet
speaking sales you're the one that linked Ghosts making a billion, and now you're calling it a flop, boy you sure changed your mind at the drop of a hat, despite your own research

It's a relative flop for the franchise, most people acknowledge that. I'm not sure what popularity metric you're basing this on but sales would be a good start for proving popularity, you know anything besides just talking out of your ass.

 

[xrnzaaas]

This is a little OT, but I find it irritating that the game didn't get any proper patches yet. Using the map is infuriating, some quests are broken and quest items may get stuck etc. I like when developers try to fix their game asap and release new patches daily or at least once every 2-3 days.

 

[Sub_Level]

The steamies who will buy it later hopefully realize BL3 is Unreal licensed, with royalties going to Epic Games.

 

[Kadayi]

Let's just see how many copies it will sell on Steam a year from now. But I don't think anyone will care.

I don't think it will sell like hot cakes when it lands because firstly the avid fan base has already bought it and secondly by then in many peoples eyes it will be a 6 month old game. If anything they're going to have to put a price cut on it to incentive people because if they aren't buying It at launch people are going to wait for a sale.

I think the more curious thing is what the long tail looks like on EGS in terms of sales out side of whatever guaranteed minimum Epic is paying 2K for the exclusivity (which one has to imagine is a lot more than what Control is costing them).

 

[Shagger]

This is a little OT, but I find it irritating that the game didn't get any proper patches yet. Using the map is infuriating, some quests are broken and quest items may get stuck etc. I like when developers try to fix their game asap and release new patches daily or at least once every 2-3 days.

I Iike it when developers finish a game before releasing it, thus not having to fix the game ASAP and spend weeks or months patching it. But, I guess that's asking to much these days.

 

[sol_bad]

This is a little OT, but I find it irritating that the game didn't get any proper patches yet. Using the map is infuriating, some quests are broken and quest items may get stuck etc. I like when developers try to fix their game asap and release new patches daily or at least once every 2-3 days.

Is it harder to patch games on EGS???
:O

 

[Fuz]

I'm kinda convinced they sold much less than expected, on PC.

 

[iorek21]

I'm kinda convinced they sold much less than expected, on PC.

Yes, that's the same talk that the guys from Metro Exodus threw at us at the beginning of the year.

The same will happen to The Outer Worlds, as Xbox Game Pass will be way bigger than EGS

Also, anyone heard anything about Control and Ancestors: Humankind Odyssey on EGS?

Hahahahaha

My bet is that only AAA games such as Borderlands will get any meaningful numbers on that plataform

 

[Dada55000]

It's a relative flop for the franchise, most people acknowledge that. I'm not sure what popularity metric you're basing this on but sales would be a good start for proving popularity, you know anything besides just talking out of your ass.

now you invented the term 'relative flop', have your cake and eat it too why won't ya

 

[Explosive Zombie]

now you invented the term 'relative flop', have your cake and eat it too why won't ya

No invention required.

3D A Relative Flop, TV Manufacturers Talk Up Apps | TechCrunch

What do you do when you hype up a relatively nascent video technology that is intrinsically unpopular because of the anti-social tendencies foisted upon

techcrunch.com

Reasons why Call of Duty: Ghosts is the biggest failure in their long running franchise - Games Discussion - GameSpot

Call of Duty: Ghosts is released a 5 months before. it is not the same as the its predecessor with a numerous amount of sales,its just dying, that's all I can say. do you guys remember when Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare redefined the FPS games with

www.gamespot.com

TechRadar | the technology experts

The latest technology news and reviews, covering computing, home entertainment systems, gadgets and more

www.technobuffalo.com

 

[xrnzaaas]

Is it harder to patch games on EGS???
:O

Don't know, don't care, I'm playing on PS4.

 

[Dada55000]

No invention required.

http://htttps://techcrunch.com/2010/08/11/3d-a-relative-flop-tv-manufacturers-talk-up-apps/

https://wwww.gamespot.com/forums/ga...l-of-duty-ghosts-is-the-biggest-fai-31209204/

https://wwww.technobuffalo.com/call-of-duty-ghosts-review

other people shitting out buzzwords is not backing you up on logic, it makes you a parakeet
tackle the argument, that being you simultaneously said it was a success and then a flop, a complete 180 while saying both disprove the thing you failed ro rebuke
that's a self-debasing contradiction

 

[joe_zazen]

other people shitting out buzzwords is not backing you up on logic, it makes you a parakeet
tackle the argument, that being you simultaneously said it was a success and then a flop, a complete 180 while saying both disprove the thing you failed ro rebuke
that's a self-debasing contradiction

Relative flop just means relative to expectations vs an absolute, objective flop.

BL3 sales are hidden, and all we have are pr fluff, so no one really knows.

Edit: xbox top paid and most played + twitch #s make it look like a relative flop as far as AAA big marketing budget games go. Who knows tho.

 

[MMaRsu]

The steamies who will buy it later hopefully realize BL3 is Unreal licensed, with royalties going to Epic Games.

"steamies"? where do you kids come up with these dumbass "insults". Nobody cares about royalties, pc gamers are appreciative of Epic's engine work and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who hates them for that.

What people dislike is well known though, but I'm sure you'd rather fling petty insults instead of having a factual argument.

 

[Sub_Level]

^Steaming

 

[Dada55000]

Relative flop just means relative to expectations vs an absolute, objective flop.

BL3 sales are hidden, and all we have are pr fluff, so no one really knows.

Edit: xbox top paid and most played + twitch #s make it look like a relative flop as far as AAA big marketing budget games go. Who knows tho.

yeah, there's words for that called underperformed and the like
flop is an extreme of failure, when saying 'relative', you're saying it's a minor extreme of failure, which is a complete contradiction and is just stupid
it's dumdum's jamming the most powerful descriptors together resulting sth dumb

also, we were talking about CoD on PC, not BL3

 

[joe_zazen]

yeah, there's words for that called underperformed and the like
flop is an extreme of failure, when saying 'relative', you're saying it's a minor extreme of failure, which is a complete contradiction and is just stupid
it's dumdum's jamming the most powerful descriptors together resulting sth dumb

also, we were talking about CoD on PC, not BL3

Fair enough.

 

[Kadayi]

Probably around 1m... there is no way to make any claim.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

other people shitting out buzzwords is not backing you up on logic, it makes you a parakeet
tackle the argument, that being you simultaneously said it was a success and then a flop, a complete 180 while saying both disprove the thing you failed ro rebuke
that's a self-debasing contradiction

You tried to argue I invented the term, my dude. I didn't call it a success... EVER... so you know, find a new straw man to tackle.

 

[halfHedge]

The investors have spoken.
Copies shipped don't mean copies sold.

 

[Coflash]

The investors have spoken.
Copies shipped don't mean copies sold.

Ha! As I was saying yesterday:

Until we have actual numbers for PC sales, why is anyone believing anything 2K says? What else are they going to say when they don't have to quote stats? "Our game is selling poorly, we totally regret out EGS exclusivity deal" - or what? I'm surprised anyone is even paying attention to them.

...and I would still love to see those EGS numbers.

 

[Kadayi]

The investors have spoken.
Copies shipped don't mean copies sold.

Investors be like

 

[lukilladog]

The investors have spoken.
Copies shipped don't mean copies sold.

And I think they also "ship" pc key codes right?, that must be why sometimes digital stores run out of them.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The investors have spoken.
Copies shipped don't mean copies sold.

The official language Take 2 used was 5 million copies sold in, not shipped. Activision also saw their stock drops in the wake of a record launch day with BLOPS IIII, so the investors don't mean jack.

 

[Katsura]

The official language Take 2 used was 5 million copies sold in, not shipped. Activision also saw their stock drops in the wake of a record launch day with BLOPS IIII, so the investors don't mean jack.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

My mistake, sell-in is weird new marketing speak to me then, it sold in where? Sold into stores? If it's 70% digital what does it even mean?

 

[Katsura]

My mistake, sell-in is weird new marketing speak to me then, it sold in where? Sold into stores? If it's 70% digital what does it even mean?

Sell-Through Vs. Sell-In

There are no shortage of terms in the retail business. Two that revolve around inventory include “sell-in” and “sell-through.” The former refers to products that manufacturers sell to retailers; the latter occurs when customers purchase those products. Retailers strive for high sell-through rates.

smallbusiness.chron.com

They didn't actually sell 5 million copies to gamers

 

[IbizaPocholo]

SuperData Research | Games data and market research » Worldwide digital games market: November 2019 – edited

www.superdataresearch.com

Borderlands 3 marks another solid release for 2K Games. Borderlands 3 sold an estimated 3.3 million digital units across console and PC in September. The average selling price per unit came in at an above-average $69 due to Deluxe Edition sales.

 

[Kazza]

SuperData Research | Games data and market research » Worldwide digital games market: November 2019 – edited

www.superdataresearch.com

Borderlands 3 marks another solid release for 2K Games. Borderlands 3 sold an estimated 3.3 million digital units across console and PC in September. The average selling price per unit came in at an above-average $69 due to Deluxe Edition sales.

Before people say that all the sales are down to console, that link does put it at number 2 for top earning PC games:

 

[Kacho]

So what’s the split? About a million for PC?

 

[johntown]

With no actual numbers we still have no way of actually knowing whether it was 100k or 1 million. People can speculate all they want but there is no defintive proof either way without numbers.

 

[Typhares]

Before people say that all the sales are down to console, that link does put it at number 2 for top earning PC games:

Dungeon fighter Online? The heck is that?

 

[Kazza]

Dungeon fighter Online? The heck is that?

It's times like these that I realise that there are huge swaths of gaming of which I know literally nothing about.

 

[Typhares]

It's times like these that I realise that there are huge swaths of gaming of which I know literally nothing about.

Yeah, number 4 and 5 too. Sounds like mobile games ported on PC making bank.
Just looked at number 1 on steam and the reviews are not good, yet number 1 grossing...

 

[nani17]

Wait don't they own GTA as well. It's higher than that?

 

[Fuz]

Dungeon fighter Online? The heck is that?

I tried it, quite a long time ago, because I saw it topping those charts.

It's a piece of shit.

And all those people fueling money into it need to be sterilized immediately.

 

[TacosNSalsa]

Dungeon fighter Online? The heck is that?

Just looked it up . FTP of course and it even has a Play More Pack MTX where for a mere $.99 you can play longer than anyone else!! Between pubs charging for you to be able to play more and other pubs charging you so you don't have to play as much (time savers) what a time to be alive !!

 

[joe_zazen]

Superdata has no access to 2k numbers.

 

[demigod]

So what’s the split? About a million for PC?

I highly doubt it hit 1 mil on PC. It also comes free with select AMD cards/processors.

 

[Pejo]

Dungeon fighter Online? The heck is that?

DFO is actually pretty fun. It's basically like anime Double Dragon, with MMO elements. I haven't played in a few years, but it was a really enjoyable beat'em up when I spent a lot of time with it. Tons of different characters/classes to play too.

 

[zcaa0g]

I don't think it will sell like hot cakes when it lands because firstly the avid fan base has already bought it and secondly by then in many peoples eyes it will be a 6 month old game. If anything they're going to have to put a price cut on it to incentive people because if they aren't buying It at launch people are going to wait for a sale.

I think the more curious thing is what the long tail looks like on EGS in terms of sales out side of whatever guaranteed minimum Epic is paying 2K for the exclusivity (which one has to imagine is a lot more than what Control is costing them).

I'm an avid fan, but I am more avid in sticking up for what I believe in and something tells me I am not even remotely close to being alone on that.

This isn't about B3 being on Steam, this is about a multiplatform title by a developer and publisher without their own storefront game client putting the game on more digital storefronts and letting the best man win instead of being exclusive to a shitty storefront.

Just try to envision having 1500 games in your Epic store library and trying to find them. Ugh.

 

[rofif]

I do not believe that. nobody I know is playing borderlands 3 or even talking about it. Especially on pc. If it's true it is surprising that there are even 5 million gaming pc's out there. The game is not easy to run

 

[Helios]

Yeah, number 4 and 5 too. Sounds like mobile games ported on PC making bank.

number 5, crossfire, is an old FPS that I'm suprised is still alive. It used to be basically a free to play CS 1.6 clone if I recall correctly.