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Evolution 2016 lineup revealed, includes Pokken, doesn't include Street Fighter IV

Lulubop said:
Yea, no. Even if 4 was in 5 would be where the money is. People like Daigo and Momochi are going to be grinding SfV religiously, 8 hours a day regradless. If Western players wanna keep up, when are they going to playing sf4? Let me know.
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Well, no shit sherlock. Of course SFV is where the money is going to be. That doesn't mean that USFIV at Evo is not going to have any entrants. Or not be the second or third biggest game at the event. Or that the level of play exhibited at the event by already existing pros somehow disappears with the existence of SFV.
 
Lulubop said:
Yea, no. Even if 4 was in 5 would be where the money is. People like Daigo and Momochi are going to be grinding SfV religiously, 8 hours a day regradless. If Western players wanna keep up, when are they going to playing sf4? Let me know.
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Totally agreed. SF4 is already gone from the pro tour and for good reason. SF5 will be out. Like you said. The international players are going to be grinding this one out. If America wants to keep up they'll have to do the same and they won't be doing that by competing in SF4.
 
Lulubop said:
Let me know what top players will be touching SF4 after FEB16, and not focusing on SFV and the CPT. Let me know, I'll wait.
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Gtfo with the CPT, the whole of the FGC isnt focused on that, the majority are not actually. Plenty of top players still played 3s when SF4 came out, so its stupid to think they will ALL abandon USF4 just because SF5 is coming. Let me know if every top player completely abandons USF4. I'll wait.
 
Sheroking said:
There are some outliers who drop-in and drop-out, but if USF4 and SF5 ran the same tournament it would be the same damn top players in both without question. I don't think his explanation in unfair: It'd be a 2000 man tournament with no real reason to justify the expense and hastle of running that. They could barely manage USF4 pools when it was the undisputed main event game.

Wizard even said they looked at the entrants and saw like 2/3rds of Melee and Smash 4 were mutually exclusive.
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At least there was data to support that decision. SF community doesn't have much of a decision in migrating to 5. Whether 5 pans out or not, there's not much of a choice for people to holdover with 4 or migrate. Can't exactly choose to stick with 4 if tournaments are just immediately dropping support for it.
 
Rudiano said:
Gtfo with the CPT, the whole of the FGC isnt focused on that, the majority are not actually. Plenty of top players still played 3s when SF4 came out, so its stupid to think they will ALL abandon USF4 just because SF5 is coming. Let me know if every top player completely abandons USF4. I'll wait.
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I can't imagine any top player not entering SFV
 
Trey said:
Pokken does look absolutely trash from everything I've seen from it. Anyone have hands on impressions?
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the very first thing I noticed was how bad the response felt. Moves are all way too slow. movement around the 3D arena is clumsy. Movelists felt too limited. Combos tend to just be short loops of 2 attacks into a finisher which are slow and uninteresting. Camera makes it hard to judge distance for attack connections periodically.
 
I'm fine with this lineup. I'm still impressed that T7 is here despite not having a release date for consoles, but whatever. Pokken should be interesting, but if it doesn't prove itself it won't be back next year that's for sure.

skLaFarebear said:
Ultimax died for Pokken

;_;
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Ultimax died because Atlus couldn't bother to put the patch out on consoles.
 
Comeon guys It's very likely that Capcom (and lesser extent Sony) want to move the player base on to the new game, Street fighter 4 is 100% out of CPT.

They want to sell this game as much as possible, there are already people saying that they prefer to play SF4 over SF5. By doing this everyone is enticed to move onto the new game.
 
Rudiano said:
Gtfo with the CPT, the whole of the FGC isnt focused on that, the majority are not actually. Plenty of top players still played 3s when SF4 came out, so its stupid to think they will ALL abandon USF4 just because SF5 is coming. Let me know if every top player completely abandons USF4. I'll wait.
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I would say the vast, vast majority of the Street Fighter community is very invested in the Pro Tour and pretty much all the top players are going to move over for good, if not because they're done with USF4, because the money is in SF5.

The game could probably still pull numbers and it would have entrants because those guys who played it competitively for years will be at those tournaments anyway, but that's not a reason to run a game.

3S, btw, died a horrible death after SF4's release. There was no interest in that game for years and even now it pops up once or twice a year for a novelty stream or tournament, only to fade from relevancy again.
 
Too bad about Ultra. Did not see Pokken coming
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ScribbleD said:
At least there was data to support that decision. SF community doesn't have much of a decision in migrating to 5. Whether 5 pans out or not, there's not much of a choice for people to holdover with 4 or migrate. Can't exactly choose to stick with 4 if tournaments are just immediately dropping support for it.
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If top players disagree with sfiv dropping then they will speak up about it.

I really doubt anyone will say anything. Lets give it a few days and see if there is an outburst from the community.

From the twitch chat, people already accepted that sfiv is done and moved on.

If they ever dropped melee, hell would break lose.
 
Other than having 2 seperate smash games I'm fine with the lineup. Pokken should atleast be given one chance to see what it can do.
 
At some point, who do you blame when a game receives less support? The players, the organizers, the community, the developers? Because deciding on who to point fingers at solves nothing.

Yeah, SFIV isn't at EVO. Doesn't mean it has to stop being played. Doesn't mean there won't be a scene for it. Super Turbo is still played after all these years after all. It's up you (yes, you) the hardcore) SFIV fans to make sure the game stays alive in the years to come. That's what propelled games like Melee and Marvel---no support be damned.
 
Melee finals on sunday. In a sports arena. Oh my god. They made the right choice.

Every year i say this year ill go to evo, and i never do. I think this is the year.

Also, Pokken was unexpected. The game is out here in Japan, and its pretty much dead. Local arcades near me i rarely ever see anyone playing it. I don't think its very good either, i played a couple of rounds but didn't really enjoy it that much.
 
I'm surprised they dropped USFIV, figured it deserves at least one more EVO.

And two Smash games again? Ugh. This better be last fucking year for that shit.
 
Exile20 said:
If top players disagree with sfiv dropping then they will speak up about it.

I really doubt anyone will say anything. Lets give it a few days and see if there is an outburst from the community.

From the twitch chat, people already accepted that sfiv is done and moved on.

If they ever dropped melee, hell would break lose.
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I guess my bitterness just stems from yet another perfectly good proven game dying for no real logical reason other than "hurr durr, new thing is here." I was just as bothered when tournaments and players alike happily abandoned 3rd Strike the moment SF4 dropped.
 
So did the EVO organizers decide to drop USFIV? Or did Capcom push for SFV only? They are a sponsor right? I legitimately have no idea how this event works.
 
RC said:
I'm surprised they dropped USFIV, figured it deserves at least one more EVO.

And two Smash games again? Ugh. This better be last fucking year for that shit.
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Melee & Smash 4 have very little overlap & both are only getting more popular, so don't get your hopes up.
 
ScribbleD said:
Are they? If they are, is it just because tournaments are replacing 4 with 5? If Melee ceased to have a tournament scene, would most of the Melee community just migrate to Smash 4? I think it's a tad bit ridiculous that there supposedly isn't room to support 2 street fighter games. It was just as shitty when 4 came out and TOs stopped supporting 3rd Strike.
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Replacing the Melee tournament scene with Brawl is what tried to happen when Brawl released. Tournaments like Evo went for the new game, and the Melee scene kinda dwindled for a couple of years while the Brawl scene got moderately lively.

Melee players continued hosting grassroots tournaments, getting great at their game, growing their community, and bringing the hype. Doing this long enough eventually got the stars to align such that the game saw a larger scale revival in 2013, with the documentary and the chance in the Evo donation drive.

Outside of Melee, the 'old game' in the series sticking around and often taking the spotlight is really unusual, and probably only really happened because the later games in the series drastically overhaul the mechanics.
ScribbleD said:
I guess my bitterness just stems from yet another perfectly good proven game dying for no real logical reason other than "hurr durr, new thing is here." I was just as bothered when tournaments and players alike happily abandoned 3rd Strike the moment SF4 dropped.
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I can sympathize, this kinda 'we must move on' mentality is kinda frustrating.
 
Sheroking said:
I would say the vast, vast majority of the Street Fighter community is very invested in the Pro Tour and pretty much all the top players are going to move over for good, if not because they're done with USF4, because the money is in SF5.

The game could probably still pull numbers and it would have entrants because those guys who played it competitively for years will be at those tournaments anyway, but that's not a reason to run a game.

3S, btw, died a horrible death after SF4's release. There was no interest in that game for years and even now it pops up once or twice a year for a novelty stream or tournament, only to fade from relevancy again.
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Just to be fair, 3S was 9 years old, with no updates and no support from Capcom till SF4 dropped.
 
Sheroking said:
3S, btw, died a horrible death after SF4's release. There was no interest in that game for years and even now it pops up once or twice a year for a novelty stream or tournament, only to fade from relevancy again.
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Different situations. 3S was a game that was ready to be euthanized. SF4 has still had great momentum and growth even in it's eighth year
 
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