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[UnravelKatharsis]

Thats literally my argument, smart guy - It was an accident. You? Intentional. Murder. Manslaughter at minimum.


Correct. Because its fucking stupid to think this was intentional. Period. I've explained why. I've shown countless examples of the same thing happening with a different result. You ignore it. Thats a you issue.

If I'm the meteorologist, you're the the genius who puts an electrical fire out with water.



A bunch of blind people laughing at the man with one eye.

It's all starting to make sense.



You either haven't understood anything anyone has said or you're being intentionally obtuse. Either way it's pointless talking to you.

 

[Days like these...]

Represent. Let me ask you a question. So in your mind there is 0 chance that he kicked the guy on purpose?

 

[Represent.]

Represent.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You also clearly have never played ice hockey (in real life). Please stop talking, as someone who has actually played ice hockey forever.

Receipts please. No one who actually plays hockey calls it "ice hockey".

I'm not saying this guy intended to kill someone however he was going for a dirty dirty play and it got out of hand.

Then why hasn't been suspended by the league?

That previous video of him tripping the other player, is another dirty play.

Everybody trips everybody in games. That's called a 2 minute power play. It happens like 5 times a period. Are you sure you play hockey?

This guy should be banned from hockey.

Should Brad Marchand be banned from hockey? Raffi Torres? How many times did that guy get suspended? Max Domi? Nazem Kadri?

Petgrave has played hockey for 14 years and has 3 suspensions. Domi, Kadri and Marchand are still playing today and have more than that in less time. Should they be banned for wreckless play?

Represent. Let me ask you a question. So in your mind there is 0 chance that he kicked the guy on purpose?

Thats exactly what I'm saying. So is the league. So is the team he played for. So is the family. So are the fucking police. But UnravelKatharsis told me he did it on purpose so I guess we're all wrong.


NHL needs to mandate neck guards to prevent this shit from happening again. Which I suspect they will eventually. End of discussion

 

[Days like these...]

Represent. The league said their is 0% chance that he kicked him on purpose? and even if he didn't do it on purpose the guy died. I don't think many people crash on purpose but they are still held accountable if they cause a crash and someone dies. So this guy should get manslaughter charges at minimum.

 

[Represent.]

Represent. The league said there is 0% chance that he kicked him on purpose? and even if he didn't do it on purpose the guy died. I don't think many people crash on purpose but they are still held accountable if they cause a crash and someone dies. So this guy should get manslaughter charges at minimum.

Sports have separate rules.

If a boxer punches a guy and he dies. That boxer isn’t getting charged with manslaughter.

If a hockey player punches a guy in the face. He’s not getting charged with assault.

And yes, the league made a statement and in the statement they call it a freak accident.

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

Represent. The league said their is 0% chance that he kicked him on purpose? and even if he didn't do it on purpose the guy died. I don't think many people crash on purpose but they are still held accountable if they cause a crash and someone dies. So this guy should get manslaughter charges at minimum.

You got your answer. He thinks there's zero chance. This is like Adam sandlers speech at the end of Billy Madison. Nonsensical. And we're all dumber for having listened to it.

 

[Days like these...]

Sports have separate rules.

If a boxer punches a guy and he dies. That boxer isn’t getting charged with manslaughter.

If a hockey player punches a guy in the face. He’s not getting charged with assault.

And yes, the league made a statement and in the statement they call it a freak accident.

The objective in boxing is to literally punch each other. The objective in hockey is to put a puck in the net. Not quite the same.

 

[John Marston]

I know we're not going to resolve anything with our discussion but watching that "video" this looks very suspicious.

Yes I was raised on hockey but that doesn't make me an expert.
It just doesn't look accidental.

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

The objective in boxing is to literally punch each other. The objective in hockey is to put a puck in the net. Not quite the same.

Exactly. The fact that an equivalency is being drawn between the sports is very telling.

 

[Represent.]

The objective in boxing is to literally punch each other. The objective in hockey is to put a puck in the net. Not quite the same.

There is fighting in hockey. It’s part of the sport.

What I said is factual.

Sports have separate rules.

A hockey player won’t be charged with assault for punching a guy and knocking him out.

Try doing that outside of the rink.

I feel like I’m explaining sex to a bunch of virgins

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

If you kick someone INTENTIONALLY with SKATES ON.. Then your INTENT is to INJURE that player. Period. That's what you and the other clowns are implying he did.

Why hasn't he been suspended by the league? Stop ignoring the question.

Lol... Maybe they will...

I didn't realise he was your boyfriend, sheeesh. Chill out babe.

Intentional.

 

[PonyStation4]

So we have a person who's a known predator with a history of swinging his skate at other players. I don't think his intent was to murder, but he clearly doesn't care if his skate slashes someones wrists or he sends someone out on a stretcher.

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

There is fighting in hockey. It’s part of the sport.

What I said is factual.

Sports have separate rules.

A hockey player won’t be charged with assault for punching a guy and knocking him out.

Try doing that outside of the rink.

I feel like I’m explaining sex to a bunch of virgins

Well maybe if we 'do sex' your way it would be unintentional, right?

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

There is fighting in hockey. It’s part of the sport.

What I said is factual.

Sports have separate rules.

A hockey player won’t be charged with assault for punching a guy and knocking him out.

Try doing that outside of the rink.

I feel like I’m explaining sex to a bunch of virgins

South Yorkshire Police: "Due to the complex nature of this tragic and unprecedented incident, it is likely the wider investigation will take some time"

I imagine there will be some serious digging going on... Even to the point of deep combing social medias... Everything.

Interesting feature up on the telegraph, your boy Avery...

"The ice hockey player whose stray kick slashed an opponent’s throat was making an “unorthodox move” and “absolutely” trying to make contact, a former National Hockey League player has claimed."

 

[Represent.]

South Yorkshire Police: "Due to the complex nature of this tragic and unprecedented incident, it is likely the wider investigation will take some time"

I imagine there will be some serious digging going on... Even to the point of deep combing social medias... Everything.

Interesting feature up on the telegraph, your boy Avery...

"The ice hockey player whose stray kick slashed an opponent’s throat was making an “unorthodox move” and “absolutely” trying to make contact, a former National Hockey League player has claimed."

Sean Avery is a clown and one of the few NHL players to ever have his contract terminated. His wife also has a restraining order against him, and when he played he was known as the biggest pest in the league, and teams would constantly trade him away. He says/does shit to stir the pot, always has.

Anyways, we're done here. We'll see what the police say. Pretty sure I'll be bumping this thread in a bit with the conclusion being im right.

 

[Days like these...]

There is fighting in hockey. It’s part of the sport.

What I said is factual.

Sports have separate rules.

A hockey player won’t be charged with assault for punching a guy and knocking him out.

Try doing that outside of the rink.

I feel like I’m explaining sex to a bunch of virgins

I didn't ask if there was fighting. What is the objective in hockey? I'm convinced you're trolling on the spectrum or have some sort of personality disorder

 

[Represent.]

I didn't ask if there was fighting. What is the objective in hockey? I'm convinced you're trolling or are on the spectrum

What the fuck does the objective of the sport have to do with the facts?

If a hockey player punches a guy, he doesn't get charged with assault. Because sports have different rules. That is a fact.

The oBjEcTiVe is irrelevant. You're just trying to win an argument.

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

Sean Avery is a clown and one of the few NHL players to ever have his contract terminated. His wife also has a restraining order against him, and when he played he was known as the biggest pest in the league, and teams would constantly trade him away. He says/does shit to stir the pot, always has.

Anyways, we're done here. We'll see what the police say. Pretty sure I'll be bumping this thread in a bit with the conclusion being im right.

Wait a minute... So NOW you're... But he's a former professional though is he not?

Actually - I have this all wrong... Let's pretend we didn't get a verdict from him who has a lesser understanding and knowledge of the sport than someone as yourself that possesses such a high-calibre of insight...

...Hmmm... Erm... I guess that would be you, Champ! Ya got my vote!

 

[Represent.]

Wait a minute... So NOW you're... But he's a former professional though is he not?

Actually - I have this all wrong... Let's pretend we didn't get a verdict from him who has a lesser understanding and knowledge of the sport than someone as yourself that possesses such a high-calibre of insight...

...Hmmm... Erm... I guess that would be you, Champ! Ya got my vote!

If you wanna play that game, there are probably 10:1 players who have said it was an accident.

Everyone from Sidney Crosby to Morgan Rielly, CURRENT players who said it was an accident.

But sure lets grasp to the one (former) player who had his contract terminated for reckless play and ignore everyone else

Even Adams coach said it was a freak accident. But again... lets ignore all that and listen to you

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

If you wanna play that game, there are probably 10:1 players who have said it was an accident.

Everyone from Sidney Crosby to Morgan Rielly, CURRENT players who said it was an accident.

But sure lets grasp to the one (former) player who had his contract terminated for reckless play and ignore everyone else

Even Adams coach said it was a freak accident. But again... lets ignore all that and listen to you

I'm bored of you now, but before I leave...

...Let me just check my list of things I don't actually care about...

- Radishes
- Rancid (the band)
- Rawhide (the TV show)
- Represent. (Posts of)

There you are! It's in THERE! Right in the 'R' section. Now, take this post back to the stables... And give it a kiss!

 

[John Marston]

Sean Avery is a clown and one of the few NHL players to ever have his contract terminated.

Not to derail the thread but I always enjoyed his interviews

He didn't give a shit about "I did good but it's all about the team win" and all that bullshit.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I think once you see it one way it's hard to see it another.

It looks a lot to me like the guy piled into the other player. All his momentum is going toward the other player, he collides and his left foot is way over to his right hand side, and he will fall. He goes to put his left foot ahead of himself to bear the weight, it gets caught on the other guys skate.

He leans away from the momentum to stop himself falling and puts his foot up high to counterbalance himself, and that's when the connection occurs.

In the zoomed in slowmo versions of this, you don't get that sense of momentum and even can miss that his left foot appears to catch on the other guy's skate.

I assume there's no other footage of the incident to give a clearer representation of what's happening, it's difficult to make anything out in the blurry videos at this angle, but the second "kick" I'm not even convinced it's not the guy's gloved hand coming up that with the movement, the blur and the lack of frames to actually look at means it's open for interpretation, and like I say, I think once you perceive it one way it's hard to see it another.

Absolutely. This is a low res video where we can’t even tell what pixels represent which limbs. It’s also slows down a play that happened in a fraction of a second into what seems like forever. It’s hard to draw any definite conclusions and people who watch it over and over again are just trying to convince themselves they see something.

Is it possible he kicked him intentionally? Sure. But it’s very doubtful. I’ll post a screen cap break down to justify my opinion later when I have time, but it’s also worth asking why he would have kicked him? That is not something hockey players do. There are dirty and reckless plays that have traditionally been in a grey area but are now being clamped down on, but kicking goes beyond the pale and is not one of those. Even if the other player had not died, his career would have been over and he likely would have faced criminal charges for attempting to intentionally kick an opponent.

 

[12Goblins]

Never played hockey but I know that people who think this was intentional are out of their god damn mind

 

[PonyStation4]

Absolutely. This is a low res video where we can’t even tell what pixels represent which limbs. It’s also slows down a play that happened in a fraction of a second into what seems like forever. It’s hard to draw any definite conclusions and people who watch it over and over again are just trying to convince themselves they see something.

Is it possible he kicked him intentionally? Sure. But it’s very doubtful. I’ll post a screen cap break down to justify my opinion later when I have time, but it’s also worth asking why he would have kicked him? That is not something hockey players do. There are dirty and reckless plays that have traditionally been in a grey area but are now being clamped down on, but kicking goes beyond the pale and is not one of those. Even if the other player had not died, his career would have been over and he likely would have faced criminal charges for attempting to intentionally kick an opponent.

He kicked to try and get contact in, just like he has a history of doing. Blowing hits and swinging his skate at players. This time his foot bounced and caused his leg to extend high. The intent may not be murder and hit that high, but the intent to hit somewhere on his body was there

 

[Syphon Filter]

it wasn't intentional, people just like to complain and make conspiracies up.

 

[Thaedolus]

it wasn't intentional, people just like to complain and make conspiracies up.

It’s more like they just don’t know how a player can get flipped up like that as hockey players sometimes do. So it appears to them it’s on purpose because they don’t watch hockey. I mean I’ve seen all sorts of guys losing an edge and just endo-ing but even knowing that, it just looks like he jabs his skate at him, even though I’m sure he didn’t intend to

 

[HAYA8U5A]

There is fighting in hockey. It’s part of the sport.

What I said is factual.

Sports have separate rules.

A hockey player won’t be charged with assault for punching a guy and knocking him out.

Try doing that outside of the rink.

I feel like I’m explaining sex to a bunch of virgins

Canucks' Bertuzzi charged with assault

 

[skneogaf]

Saw it on tiktok, it looked like it was intended to me. Not the killing him part but the actual hit with his leg!

 

[Delt31]

Represent.

I intentionally said ice hockey to give you the benefit of the doubt of actually playing some form of hockey in your (real) life. You clearly have never played ice hockey, which is just further verified by the fact you're asking for receipts.

Nothing else to say here that hasn't already been said. More to come from this for sure.

And the less you talk, the better for everyone, including you.

 

[Represent.]

Im the only person in here making any sense and using actual facts as part of their argument. The rest of you are posting a bunch of "looks like and what if's"

No suspension
No punishment
League released a statement saying it was a freak accident
Players on both teams said freak accident
Coach said freak accident
Family said freak accident
Other examples posted of similar things happening with different results

But nope! the NeoGAF hockey experts are right. he intentionally kicked him with skates on. lmfao

Delt31 You have no clue what you're talking about, and if you do play hockey, quit.

 

[TurboGrafx16]

Family said freak accident

NOPE. I don’t think Johnson’s family said that. I can only find quotes from his aunt though.





“It was very reckless,” Kari said of the “horrific tragedy” while speaking from her Minnesota home. “I just want them [authorities investigating] to get it right. We are looking for justice for Adam.

Kari, who recalled watching the game at home in real-time with Johnson’s parents, said Petgrave’s movement was “totally unnecessary” after she reviewed “hundreds” of replays of the brutal scene.

“We are absolutely calling for a complete investigation,” she said. “You don’t take your leg and kick somebody and cut their throat. I’m sorry.”

Kari said what she saw was “not hockey” during the controversial play, which took place at the Utilita Arena in Sheffield.

“My nephew was 6-feet tall, and whether you lost your balance or not, to have that leg come up that high and do a kicking motion like he did, that is just unacceptable,” she said.

“I think the actions were unnecessary. It was just unnecessary. Nobody touched him. I’ve watched that video hundreds of times.

“That’s not a hockey play, that’s not a check. I understand that every team has an enforcer, per se, on their team.

“I’m sure Mr. Petgrave probably didn’t even think about the consequences could be of that happening, but there comes a time when you have to realize, that’s not hockey.

“And I’m sure he’s going through a lot too, but he took our boy. There are a few of us in the family that think it was a totally unnecessary, very, very bad action to take.”

Kari explained that she will “have to accept” the eventual outcome of the investigation.

“If they find against what I feel, I will have to accept that. But I’ve felt throughout it’s very, very reckless and unnecessary,” she said.

 

[Represent.]

NOPE. I don’t think Johnson’s family said that. I can only find quotes from his aunt though.





“It was very reckless,” Kari said of the “horrific tragedy” while speaking from her Minnesota home. “I just want them [authorities investigating] to get it right. We are looking for justice for Adam.

Kari, who recalled watching the game at home in real-time with Johnson’s parents, said Petgrave’s movement was “totally unnecessary” after she reviewed “hundreds” of replays of the brutal scene.

“We are absolutely calling for a complete investigation,” she said. “You don’t take your leg and kick somebody and cut their throat. I’m sorry.”

Kari said what she saw was “not hockey” during the controversial play, which took place at the Utilita Arena in Sheffield.

“My nephew was 6-feet tall, and whether you lost your balance or not, to have that leg come up that high and do a kicking motion like he did, that is just unacceptable,” she said.

“I think the actions were unnecessary. It was just unnecessary. Nobody touched him. I’ve watched that video hundreds of times.

“That’s not a hockey play, that’s not a check. I understand that every team has an enforcer, per se, on their team.

“I’m sure Mr. Petgrave probably didn’t even think about the consequences could be of that happening, but there comes a time when you have to realize, that’s not hockey.

“And I’m sure he’s going through a lot too, but he took our boy. There are a few of us in the family that think it was a totally unnecessary, very, very bad action to take.”

Kari explained that she will “have to accept” the eventual outcome of the investigation.

“If they find against what I feel, I will have to accept that. But I’ve felt throughout it’s very, very reckless and unnecessary,” she said.

First I've heard of the fam speaking out.
So is she saying it was intentional? Or just a wreckless play that needs to be investigated. Theres a big difference between the 2.
Either way the police will be the final judge and I dont think they have enough to charge Petgrave at the end of the day

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

First I've heard of the fam speaking out.
So is she saying it was intentional?

Lol God damn man can you even read? Does she have to utter the words "I think it was intentional" for you to understand the context of what's being said? She uses numerous phrases that indicate she thinks it was dirty play and "not hockey," and that "If they find against what I feel, I will have to accept that."

If you're engaging in "dirty plays" that anyone would agree could be dangerous, then when it goes wrong the blood is on your hands and yes he should be facing some consequence.

And there you have it. She thinks it was, if not an intentional murder, definitely an intentionally reckless play (which aligns with what most level headed people believe.) And we all know according to you the families opinion is all that matters so, case closed right?

Right?

Course not you'll just argue that's not what she meant or she doesn't play hockey so why should we listen to her.

 

[transformer]

Sean Avery is a clown and one of the few NHL players to ever have his contract terminated. His wife also has a restraining order against him, and when he played he was known as the biggest pest in the league, and teams would constantly trade him away. He says/does shit to stir the pot, always has.

Anyways, we're done here. We'll see what the police say. Pretty sure I'll be bumping this thread in a bit with the conclusion being im right.

I’d say given how much of a goon Sean Avery is, he’s uniquely qualified to provide an assessment in this matter.

 

[Represent.]

Lol God damn man can you even read? Does she have to utter the words "I think it was intentional" for you to understand the context of what's being said? She uses numerous phrases that indicate she thinks it was dirty play and "not hockey," and that "If they find against what I feel, I will have to accept that."

If you're engaging in "dirty plays" that anyone would agree could be dangerous, then when it goes wrong the blood is on your hands and yes he should be facing some consequence.

And there you have it. She thinks it was, if not an intentional murder, definitely an intentionally reckless play (which aligns with what most level headed people believe.) And we all know according to you the families opinion is all that matters so, case closed right?

Right?

Course not you'll just argue that's not what she meant or she doesn't play hockey so why should we listen to her.

God you're dumb.

Someone saying "I feel it was reckless and unnecessary" does not fucking equate to "He intentionally kicked my nephew in the throat"

I am saying: "I feel it was reckless and unnecessary to raise his leg that high"
You are saying: "He intentionally kicked him in the throat, that was his intent"

Do you not see the fucking difference? You know what? Just stop quoting me. You have less sense than a rock.

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

God you're dumb.

Someone saying "I feel it was reckless and unnecessary" does not fucking equate to "He intentionally kicked my nephew in the throat"

I am saying: "I feel it was reckless and unnecessary to raise his leg that high"
You are saying: "He intentionally kicked him in the throat, that was his intent"

Do you not see the fucking difference? You know what? Just stop quoting me. You have less sense than a rock.

You've misquoted and misrepresented my words every single time. You're a troll and a moron. You haven't made a genuine argument all thread long and you've moved your own goalposts. Stop trolling and making brainless statements and inferences and I won't quote you. Simple.

 

[Mr1999]

I'd like to make it clear again and say that I don't think Petgrave woke up like someone mentioned and thought "I'm going to kill someone today", its an accident similar to how an accident would be seen if I were to run a red light and end up killing someone.

I knew a guy personally who would install entertainment equipment for a living with his van, he would always run a red light, not completely blind, but if he were at a stop light and saw no one coming, he would gun it.

99 percent of the time he knew no one was coming, but you really never know, what if one day a car comes screaming by as you try to gun it, it's similar to what happened here, he rolled the dice and ended up killing the guy.

You know its a bad hit because if you asked Petgrave now he probably would have not done that, it looked risky and that's coming from other players, forget about what I think.

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

I'd like to make it clear again and say that I don't think Petgrave woke up like someone mentioned and thought "I'm going to kill someone today", its an accident similar to how an accident would be seen if I were to run a red light and end up killing someone.

I knew a guy personally who would install entertainment equipment for a living with his van, he would always run a red light, not completely blind, but if he were at a stop light and saw no one coming, he would gun it.

99 percent of the time he knew no one was coming, but you really never know, what if one day a car comes screaming by as you try to gun it, it's similar to what happened here, he rolled the dice and ended up killing the guy.

You know its a bad hit because if you asked Petgrave now he probably would have not done that, it looked risky and that's coming from other players, forget about what I think.

100% agree, I said the same thing and that's what most of us level headed people are saying but apparently if you make this benign claim you're guilty of calling Petgrave an intentional murderer

 

[12Goblins]

You want to see murder?



How the guy is not cut immediately from the NFL is beyond me.

If there is consensus among experts that it was a dirty play, he should be never be allowed to play again

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

You want to see murder?



How the guy is not cut immediately from the NFL is beyond me.

If there is consensus among experts that it was a dirty play, he should be never be allowed to play again

Like I said no one here is accusing Petgrave of murder. The sooner we stop conflating the offence here the better.

 

[Slayer-33]

Dude should face some sort of manslaughter charge. That ain't no normal hit. If his intent was to get a hit in with BLADED SKATES without killing but we ended up here it's f'ing manslaughter imo.

 

[Braag]

Kinda reminds me of this incident, but this guy actually survived despite blood clearly gushing out of his throat.

 

[DavidGzz]

He looked to where he was kicking. Intentional af. Like others said, he may not have been aiming for the neck for a lethal blow, but it looked like he knew there was going to be a collision and he put his leg up to deflect the other player.

 

[nbcjr]

You want to see murder?



How the guy is not cut immediately from the NFL is beyond me.

If there is consensus among experts that it was a dirty play, he should be never be allowed to play again

Video unavailable. was it showing a new angle?

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Video unavailable. was it showing a new angle?

It's a different incident from a different sport - a bad NFL (not NHL) tackle.

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

Video unavailable. was it showing a new angle?

It's from a football game and it's barely a fraction of how bad this hockey incident was. Not sure why it's relevant.

If you hit the link it will play on YouTube.

 

[TurboGrafx16]

BBC is reporting an arrest has been made for manslaughter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in connection with the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.
This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

 

[Sybrix]

Unfortunately i saw the video on Reddit at the time, it was horrific.

I don't watch hockey at all., however from what i saw, the alleged perpetrator launched his foot about 6ft off the ground at the guy blades first. Does this occurace happen in hockey? Is it even legal in the context of the game?

 

[WhatDidHeSay?]

BBC is reporting an arrest has been made for manslaughter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in connection with the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.
This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

Just came hear to post this.

Now, this ain't good at all.

 

[Represent.]

BBC is reporting an arrest has been made for manslaughter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in connection with the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.
This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

A joke honestly, but I highly doubts he gets charged.