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Fable might have been scaled down due to engine issues and lack of wrpg expertise. Could release later than expected.
CeeJay
Member
Trust and respect?
There are numerous posts from people wanting numerous studios to be unshackled from the games they are associated with and be allowed to make something else. Playground wants to make Fable and setup a second studio specifically to do that. Surely we should encourage it rather than bash them for it?
Mr. Banana
Banned
the number of negative threads pre Ms conference poses some doubts
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Markio128
Member
I was thinking more along the lines of my parents babysitting my daughter and being incredibly thankful they can give her backI hope you never adopt kids, I can imagine orphanage Billy getting 1 present at Christmas while your own little angel gets 10.
Alphagear
Member
What about Obsidian?
Belthazar
Member
It depends if it makes sense. It can be a big success, but it can also lead to some struggle. I don't imagine something like Sony giving Naughty Dog the task of making the new Gran Turismo, it just doesn't make sense.
Markio128
Member
It's almost like people want to get as much FUD out before the show as possible.
Mr. Banana
Banned
usually the best way to ruin a show is the over-hype of it, so as to make it impossible to please. If this aim to throw doom and gloom around Microsoft, for them it will be even more easy to get out of the show positively.
It's almost like people want to get as much FUD out before the show as possible.
SkeletonQuays
Member
shocker... an MS studio biting off more than they could chew?! Who could have ever forseen this!? 
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Ah yes Colt ... the very famous sony fanboy ..../s
It's almost like people want to get as much FUD out before the show as possible.
Swift_Star
Banned
Yeah, I’m finding really amusing the very same people that keep concern trolling PlayStation complaining now they’re being concern trolled.
Funny isn’t it?
TLZ
Banned
Don't think he cares. Too busy with NFTs I think.
They have Avowed, The Outer Worlds 2, a historical game, and ongoing support for Grounded.
I think the studio is swamped with work.
Topher
Gold Member
Good point. I'm not really sure. Playground was doing dev work for MS long before they were acquired. Could be PG was working on retooling their engine for Fable for a while now.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Markio128
Member
I think you may have quoted the wrong person
Jennings
Member
Obsidian didn't own Bethesda either.
For me:
This is the one game I've been looking forward to fgs.
Scorn
State of Decay 3
Fable
HellBlade 2
Avowed is a maybe.
Played Halo Infinite...I have come to realize Halo just isnt for me.
Neither is Gears, but I havent played the last one yet.
Forza is the only one of MS's main games that I really like.
Bethesda games are hit or miss for me. Activision games are whatever, Blizzard isnt anywhere near my radar.
Yeah, the Xbox showcase is a complete mystery. Might be a good thing.
That's the thing that gets me. Don and Microsoft forces studios to do games. We complain about it because it turns out uninspired games. One of the best studios out there asks for a project outside their genre and Microsoft says yes trusting them. Now people bitch about it. This is not some so so studio this is playground who earned this shot by doing great work for years. This is what everyone wanted during the Don era studios making games they are passionate about not forced into projects.
Papacheeks
Banned
You can blame Microsoft for announcing this game way too early so our expectations are wild, on top of us waiting for a long ass time. Then all you show is a CGI trailer in 2020, then 2 years later hear that the developer is having issues transitioning to a project of this size and type.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ironic, since Fable has always felt "scaled down" compared to other RPGs.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm happy there is an entire industry of YouTube dipweeds repeating rumors we've already heard and claiming "inside info" lol
Game was announced way too early.. MS really needs to get some games cranked out so they can stop with these early reveals.
Game was announced way too early.. MS really needs to get some games cranked out so they can stop with these early reveals.
Rykan
Member
I forgot about Age of Empires 4 so that would make 4? What's the 5th one?
I've got Halo, F5: H, Psychonauts 2, Flight Simulator and AoE 4. Which one did I miss?
Not anything that can compete with the competition, No. Maybe the next Forza releases but that's all I'm expecting.
I'll admit that my post was partly in jest, but there's still an element of truth to it as far as I'm concerned.
I don't mean to imply that it's a studio that can or should only develop one genre, but Fable is one of MS's most popular franchises. It's just odd to not lend the property to one of their RPG studios instead.
That depends - projects of this type (IP, strategic importance etc.) usually have more than enough funding to simply branch-off and do their own thing (And sometimes that's the *only* thing that gets the project to ship instead of cancelled).
Hell, Ubisoft used to do this for around a decade (across multiple of their engines/IPs), where each iteration of the game was an incompatible branch of the tech with all the others (particularly grating for certain yearly releases).
Topher
Gold Member
I agree with you about Playground. They do awesome work. I do wonder about trying to retool their Forza engine into an RPG engine. Why not just use Unreal?
Spaceman292
Banned
Didn't you know? Whenever there's trouble with game development it's always the fault of the womens and the blacks.
The rich white men at the top making all the terrible decisions are completely blameless.
This iteration of Fable IP started 5 years before Bethesda deal happened. Obsidian was a bit closer - but still, years after.
You could argue that they should take it away from Playground after - but that'd likely set internet on fire if it happened.
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Fifth game is Deathloop
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They were banned from gaf for being insufferable green rats so id say pretty strong credentials lol
The thing with these xbox insiders is that they all know and communicate with each other. Colt knows shepshal who knows klobrrie who knows some real people inside Xbox who might use him to intentionally leak stuff.
Though I dont know why MS would intentionally leak bad news about Fable. Maybe the game isnt going to be at the show and they want to temper expectations?
graywolf323
Member
nah Deathloop was counted under Bethesda who were counted separately from MS as a whole
2022 Game Publisher Rankings: #5: Bethesda Softworks
Previous year's rank: 16 Average Metascore for 2021 releases: 80.2 15 scored products (7 distinct titles): 87% good, 0% bad "Great" games: none Total points: 306.9 As you likely know, Bethesda's parent company ZeniMax Media was purchased by...
www.metacritic.com
edit: not sure what the 5th unique game was, Meteoritic mentions Psychonauts 2, Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5, and Flight Simulator for Series
2022 Game Publisher Rankings: #1: Microsoft (Xbox Game Studios)
Previous year's rank: 6 Average Metascore for 2021 releases: 87.4 10 scored products (5 distinct titles): 100% good, 0% bad "Great" games: 3 Total points: 346.0 Metacritic's #1 Publisher of the Year. It is very rare for a publisher to average above...
www.metacritic.com
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
No idea why Obsidian is making Outer Worlds 2. They shouldve been working on Fable and Avowed.
It's not like Unreal does much out of the box that is particularly good for RPGs (more like the opposite, if they're also open world). UE4 in particular was not a great choice, faster hiring of art/design labor non-withstanding.
Sure - chances are it's easier to customize for the purpose given it's less bespoke nature - but when you already own a tech-stack and hundreds of engineers familiar with it, it's very debatable what's going to move faster on that front also (that may only becomes obvious 'after' the fact).
lostinblue
Banned
That's inefficiency at it's best.
Playground seems efficient with Forza Horizon so there's that, but yes they could bruteforce and go some way or the other with it, this team is not the Forza Horizon one so we're talking about sharing an ethos.
No engine is pre-configured for the needs of an RPG system. If they're going to have plenty of work to configure it they might as well use their own tech.
That way they can move people across both teams as well.
this.
But this is true for every licensable engine out there. There's a reason why Bethesda is stuck with Creation Engine, Bioware with Aurora Engine, Witcher/Cyberpunk stuck with RED Engine, Kingdom Come guys using Crytek Engine at least for a second time (they say they spent 1 year work to make it workable in the first place). Some of those are/were forks of existing generic use engines that were adapted so much they called them different names altogether.
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Did they count Halo twice as its free to play only as well as campaign and multiplayer?nah Deathloop was counted under Bethesda who were counted separately from MS as a whole
2022 Game Publisher Rankings: #5: Bethesda Softworks
Previous year's rank: 16 Average Metascore for 2021 releases: 80.2 15 scored products (7 distinct titles): 87% good, 0% bad "Great" games: none Total points: 306.9 As you likely know, Bethesda's parent company ZeniMax Media was purchased by...
edit: not sure what the 5th unique game was, Meteoritic mentions Psychonauts 2, Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5, and Flight Simulator for Series
2022 Game Publisher Rankings: #1: Microsoft (Xbox Game Studios)
Previous year's rank: 6 Average Metascore for 2021 releases: 87.4 10 scored products (5 distinct titles): 100% good, 0% bad "Great" games: 3 Total points: 346.0 Metacritic's #1 Publisher of the Year. It is very rare for a publisher to average above...
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
The year ends in May now apparently.
Xbox always has one foot in the grave.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
The whole idea of the game is bizarre - a developer that has only ever made racing games is trying to make an RPG of a franchise that hasn't got any relevance today.
Yeah it's not going to work.
Yeah it's not going to work.
Topher
Gold Member
This engine was pre-configured for the needs of a racing system in an open world. They were bringing in people from the outside with experience in making RPGs. Those people are going to know nothing about Forza's engine, but plenty of them have an understanding of Unreal.
Usually by May we know of everything that is slated to come out in the year. Hopefully Phil will have some surprises at the showcase.
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MasterCornholio
Member
I think the issue with this one is where it’s coming from. I always take things with a grain of salt but it’s curious that Colt allowed this to be said on his podcast.
Robbinhood
Banned
Not surprised but MS has way too many WRPGs, its a little redundant. I like Fable though but I would take TES6 first then Fable then Avowed. If they all come within a year of each other thats not good. But lets be real TES is 2027 at this point, probably cross gen with the next xbox.
lostinblue
Banned
I understand that. But there are still advantages to not using Unreal Engine for them.
And for us, tbh.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
That goes every way in here. Nintendo is doomed too. So is Sony.
Topher
Gold Member
I don’t know. If the rumors are true the engine is the root of the problem.
Playground hired a bunch of people with experience in making RPGs so I don't think that is really the issue. Guerrilla had never made an open world RPG before Horizon Zero Dawn either.
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Tiamat2san
Member
Fable games are not that big and don’t need to be Witcher 3 big.
Maybe a little bigger than the original games with more content but not that much.
I don’t need an Ubisoft type of map with hundreds of question marks filler content.
Maybe a little bigger than the original games with more content but not that much.
I don’t need an Ubisoft type of map with hundreds of question marks filler content.
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