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Face off DmC X1 PS4. Where for art thou AF!
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"Of course, there are compromises in choosing the PC game: image quality isn't quite as sharp as the PS4 and Xbox One versions"
Dictator93
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I thought Stryder used the engine KI uses?
THE MORE YOU KNOW
This just in.
First Screenshots of Deep Down running on all new PS4 exclusive capcom engine have surfaced:
This is great
Even you, Bruno?
The issue is when the Xbox One inexplicably has better AF then the PS4 version of a game, so it's only conceivably an issue with 3rd party games.
In a case like this though, you can point to the PS3 version as having better AF even. But you compare it to something like The Last of Us, a similar last-gen port, which clearly has better AF on PS4 than on PS3, while also updating to 1080p and 60fps, with increased character models and effects on top of that.
Ditto for Tomb Raider
E. DMC just doesn't make sense. It has to be an oversight or something similar, because it doesn't make sense.GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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i like you
interesting, i hope they shed some light on it. (even though the ICE team member said it shouldnt be a problem)
and holy shit, yeah, im just gonna wait for a price drop, i skipped this game last gen and survived so if i decide to get it maybe on a PSN saleTwo (EDIT: Make that Three) Capcom published games in a row that are better on the weaker hardware.
lol
Hopefully they patch the AF, because holy shit does it make the textures look terrible on the PS4 version.
The filtering makes the textures look worse than the last gen versions.
lol, forgot about REmake.
Sleeping Dogs DE is 16$ on a sale of the week right now
Journey
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An article on AF? sure, but why do you think the article would suggest AF is not important?
geordiemp
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The way you worded that it reads like it could be an issue with UE3 on Ps4, and engine issue ?
Always-honest
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Is Sony aware?
Cthulhu_Steev
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If I put my suspicious hat, it looks like he's going down the path of 'This is the new technical aspect that DF can use to always give the win to PS4', rather than being literally excited to see the feature. I expect you're wearing your suspicious hat as well, with your Columbo-style prodding
You know, I thought so too, but there were some suggestions around pointing to it being Unreal Engine and it seemed to share some characteristics. Now I'm wondering if my original assumption was actually right.
So, I'm going to install it again right now and find out for sure. I'll let you know after it's downloaded what it's using.
Well, yes, there is a direct correlation between complete lack of AF and UE3 on the PS4. Even games with low quality AF on PS4 at least use like 2x or 4x where as these UE3 games are all using trilinear filtering. No AF at all.
ArchedThunder
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It could be that a few devs are focusing on the Xbox One version of a game and then putting less effort into the PS4 version because it's easier to get a game running well on the platform, especially when the Xbox One's architecture is so similar. That could explain why something like this wouldn't make its way in, less optimization time and effort resulting in some quick fixes that effect the quality of the PS4 version.
Of course there is nothing to support this, just a random thought.
Cthulhu_Steev
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I've just punched my PS4 on the TV stand so hard, it looks like it has no AF in real life because it's in so many pieces.
It probably takes about four hours to stream the AF in then. That's probably why we aren't seeing it; we're too impatient.
Well, it's a theory alright. You would have to see which of the AF-free games have had 'content updates' after release, which demonstrates extra effort on the developer's to fix problems.
I bet even the Ghostbuster's HD Edition carpet would look better on the PS3 version.
Are you one of the DF team? You seem very defensive
DanteGhost
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I think this picture should be shown to people that argue their is a problem with the hardware.
ArchedThunder
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Dyling Light and Evolve aren't on UE3 and those have worse AF on PS4 than Xbox One. It could absolutely be an engine problem, but it's definitely not UE3 exclusive.
I really hope they get that sorted out for Arkham Knight.
There are high quality 1080p videos on Gamersyde, and I could be crazy but the ground didn't look as sharp in the Charlie video compared to the first one.
I know, I never said it was ONLY UE3 games with AF issues, rather, it was only UE3 games that didn't use *ANY* AF. I believe there is at least a low level of texture filtering (like 2x AF) in those games.
Me too
Thing is that the ports weren't made from the same dev. It shows that ps4 is generally able to do af, though.
Dictator93
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ArchedThunder
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I think there was, but the fact that the PS4 versions still had worse AF than the Xbox One version shows that there is a similar problem with those games too. It might be something about the way the engines were programed not playing well with the PS4's slightly custom architecture. If that is the case hopefully the devs get around to fixing it.
But don't make the mistake that this means there's no problem altogether, because there clearly is an issue with specific games. It's just important to frame the issue correctly.
Huh? where did you get that from?
Well there's something going on when the weaker console with slower RAM has beaten you several times at AF. Is XB1's eSRAM giving it the edge for AF in the games that are in XB1's favor? PS4 can do AF, as shown, so what the hell is going on?
Zeyphersan
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I don't think many people are arguing it's a hardware thing anymore, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, while AF is POSSIBLE and USED on the PS4, it's also noticeably absent from titles where it really shouldn't be. That's where the confusion is coming from
This would be at least something but then again this is not the technical explanation we want :-(
so better ask those devs why they didn't enable AF
ArchedThunder
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I imagine the engine for Arkham Knight has been so heavily customized at this point that is is mostly original.
They said in this article that they are asking their contacts about it, so we may get some statements soon.
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Maybe the supercharged architecture of the PS4 is too fast for AF and the frame is being rendered without it because it can't keep up?
Dictator93
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THere are a lot of characteristics in AK that are extremely similar to those found in the samaritan demo. A ton actually.
Getting kind a tense their eh buddy
It means WHY as in WHY no AF and I spelt it wrong in haste with a space..Doh! can a mode change it please..that should cheer up "techy" here ;-)
Why are people saying stuff like "plenty of games have the same AF in both platforms", as it means anything.
Yeah, most games have poor AF in both consoles, yay? Problem solved?
There's clearly an issue. 16xAF on consoles is definitely not the norm, and, if neither platform has any problems running AF, the performance cost should never not be worth it.
The Order even has variable filtering, why would they go through the trouble of making it variable if the PS4 can just run 16xAF no problems?
There is an issue, the fact that Xenoverse has shit AF on every version, even on PC (you can force it through drivers though) is not really a good thing.
Even if it's something as simple as "Xbone has it on by default, PS4 doesn't", then instead of bugging every developer on the planet to change it, we should ask Sony to change what the default value is. And also ask Microsoft the reason for the default value being low.
The PS4 is clearly capable of mediocre AF, no issues there, case closed.
Stop being defensive over this, either you care about the issue or you don't, stop dismissing the issue.
Yeah, most games have poor AF in both consoles, yay? Problem solved?
There's clearly an issue. 16xAF on consoles is definitely not the norm, and, if neither platform has any problems running AF, the performance cost should never not be worth it.
The Order even has variable filtering, why would they go through the trouble of making it variable if the PS4 can just run 16xAF no problems?
There is an issue, the fact that Xenoverse has shit AF on every version, even on PC (you can force it through drivers though) is not really a good thing.
Even if it's something as simple as "Xbone has it on by default, PS4 doesn't", then instead of bugging every developer on the planet to change it, we should ask Sony to change what the default value is. And also ask Microsoft the reason for the default value being low.
The PS4 is clearly capable of mediocre AF, no issues there, case closed.
Stop being defensive over this, either you care about the issue or you don't, stop dismissing the issue.
Maybe because it's on UE3.9 ?
Solid Samus
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yeah, I don't get this at all. It's a very important visual feature, one I've always assumed to be lightweight because it's always been lightweight. In every PC game I've ever played where it's an option. Seriously, why the fuck is it a continued issue with PS4? Such a stupid little thing.
is onQ a DF competitor? Because herpdy herpity hurr
is onQ a DF competitor? Because herpdy herpity hurr
GayForMaster
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Guys is xbone actually stronger than ps4???
That's just because the PS4 is only fighting with 30% of its power.
See, but that's the thing, I might be completely wrong here (you would know if I am, so please correct me), but I don't think anyone looking for stable 30fps on PC would even think about lowering AF for better performance.
If there are performance issues with high values of AF on a console, then it's already an issue with said console, be it hardware or software.
I think the more productive question is "why is AF so bad on consoles, especially PS4?" and not "why are there games where the Xbone has better AF than the PS4?"
At least we had two clean pages...
Why don't you stop replying to the people suggesting there's a conspiracy behind every DF article? They won't stop and you are just helping them derail every thread about DF by asking them more questions. I do believe myself that there is some bias, even if minimal, but I try to put that aside (I think I only mentioned it once) and try to discuss within the relevant topic for all of us who come to these threads. People will still try to find what they want to see in the article, your replying to them and creating more posts around that conspiracy subject isn't helping move the discussion forward.
Tell us how you really feel... Don't hold back the rage, lol!
But, seriously I hope we get some answers from devs and/or Sony.
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