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Faces in FFX ps2 vs. FFX ps3. What do you guys think? will ps4 version be better?
- Thread starter Tidus_Great
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stargateheaven
Member
Japanese players also LOLd at the bad faces. Everyone hoped (even the japanese) the faces would be more like the originals upcoming to release.. it just didnt happen.
They're not.
Tidus' face is fucking inexplicable. What the fuck.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
They're not.
not that much better, but his face is different from both shots in the final release.
https://youtu.be/Ml4Xy20ITj8?t=896
Femmeworth
Banned
Why I've held off on getting it. Hopefully a PC port happens and people can fix this shit.
Vs.
The option to switch between the HD and original character models is what it needs.
omgwtfbentime
Member
eh, I think people are making a way bigger deal out of it than it really is. The HD version isn't perfect, don't get me wrong, but it's still the way I'd recommend most people to check out the game. First off, you get the additional content from the International version. Second off, environments, colors, and damn near everything besides the faces when viewed up close look better in the HD version. I hardly even noticed the differences in the faces either, I just sort of assumed that the PS2 version always looked kind of rough. It's a bummer seeing it side by side, but really... hardly a dealbreaker.
OuterLimits
Member
While I enjoy the remaster, the odd faces and remastered music sometimes are annoying. I also find it a joke that apparently the big selling point of the PS4 version is being able to play the original soundtrack. Gee thanks for not having that option in the PS3 version Square.
Tidus_Great
Banned
I think the big deal is the faces were fine before with no need to be changed. I mean how can you remaster a game and make the main characters faces worse
PCSX2 version is awesome. 1080p and superior ps2 faces
one of the best running games on PCSX2 as well.
I think the big deal is the faces were fine before with no need to be changed. I mean how can you remaster a game and make the main characters faces worse
PCSX2 version is awesome. 1080p and superior ps2 faces
one of the best running games on PCSX2 as well.
Ugh those faces.. every time man, every time. You couldn't PAY me to play it like that. Straight in the childhood.
PCSX2 is great, i have it downsampled from 4K with insane amounts of MSAA and there's no jaggies at all lol. It really shows the imperfections on backgrounds and stuff tho
I remember when it came out on PS2 they said one of the best things about the game was the "Emotion engine" Well they sure got rid of that in the remaster
It seems like people are nitpicking this with the worst screenshots they can find. The HD version looks great 99% of the time IMO. It's also the superior version gameplay wise thanks to the inclusion of content we never got in NA.
I think people are really making too big a deal out of such a thing. They keep linking to screenshots that are not even the actual game but are alpha shots from before launch that they've since improved in the retail game.
The remaster by and large( outside of one's mileage on the design of faces and the lack of facial capture like the original release) is far improved from adding of environmental detail to texture uprezzing compared to the original release. Even the beef with the music will be soon fixed where they give you the option of both soundtracks.
All the extra international version content that your not going to see outside of the Japanese release, its well worth the price of entree
The remaster by and large( outside of one's mileage on the design of faces and the lack of facial capture like the original release) is far improved from adding of environmental detail to texture uprezzing compared to the original release. Even the beef with the music will be soon fixed where they give you the option of both soundtracks.
All the extra international version content that your not going to see outside of the Japanese release, its well worth the price of entree
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Unless you have International, in which case... I'd rather take the PS2 version, which looks great 100% of the time anyway.
The international version never came here.
In general, the game is still in a weird place. They didn't put motion capture even in the original release, so you have all these cut-scenes where the characters will just move in their run animations or do the same gestures forever without doing any nuanced movements.
I understand why they could not clean those up, it probably would have elevated the game to a different level of production.
Don't base your opinion of the HD collection off some bitter fans and cherrypicked screenshots that aren't even from the final build.
Here's what it looks like on the emulator, i reformatted and forgot to copy my save so it's from the starting parts.
http://imgur.com/a/MeY7e#0 Last one came out blurry thanks to the motion blur in the game lol
http://imgur.com/a/MeY7e#0 Last one came out blurry thanks to the motion blur in the game lol
I'm not. I'm also basing it off walking past my housemate playing it and assuming what I saw was just because I saw it in passing until this thread.
Eduardboon
Member
It's simple really: ffxhd yuna only cares about receiving not sunflower seeds on her face while original yuna is a real woman and feels it. Like shulk. Ffxhd yuna needs some shulk time.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Wait a minute.
People are comparing the Remaster alpha shots to the PS2 version?
:/
We should at least put out evidence that is legitimate. I didn't even know there were alterations from prerelease shots versus the final! If someone wants to capture direct release build shots and compare them to the Remaster alpha vs. the PS2 version, that would be great to clear up all of this FUD. I'm all for calling out bullshit in a remaster, but let's give the damn game a fair shake at least. If no one else does it, I'll try to do it tomorrow when I've got the time. I'm interested to see if they really did improve the mannequin faces from those alpha shots.
Edit: fuck it. Threw it together.
Not quite perfect still, but not the travesty people are making it out to be over inaccurate screenshots. The worse lighting is still inexplicable. Ironically, the PS2 original is closer to the aesthetics of the game's CGI is than the remaster's attempt at matching the models to the CGI.
People are comparing the Remaster alpha shots to the PS2 version?
:/
We should at least put out evidence that is legitimate. I didn't even know there were alterations from prerelease shots versus the final! If someone wants to capture direct release build shots and compare them to the Remaster alpha vs. the PS2 version, that would be great to clear up all of this FUD. I'm all for calling out bullshit in a remaster, but let's give the damn game a fair shake at least. If no one else does it, I'll try to do it tomorrow when I've got the time. I'm interested to see if they really did improve the mannequin faces from those alpha shots.
Edit: fuck it. Threw it together.
Not quite perfect still, but not the travesty people are making it out to be over inaccurate screenshots. The worse lighting is still inexplicable. Ironically, the PS2 original is closer to the aesthetics of the game's CGI is than the remaster's attempt at matching the models to the CGI.
DarkLordMalik
Member
I will just leave it here.
Tidus_Great
Banned
Wait a minute.
People are comparing the Remaster alpha shots to the PS2 version?
:/
We should at least put out evidence that is legitimate. I didn't even know there were alterations from prerelease shots versus the final! If someone wants to capture direct release build shots and compare them to the Remaster alpha vs. the PS2 version, that would be great to clear up all of this FUD. I'm all for calling out bullshit in a remaster, but let's give the damn game a fair shake at least. If no one else does it, I'll try to do it tomorrow when I've got the time. I'm interested to see if they really did improve the mannequin faces from those alpha shots.
Edit: fuck it. Threw it together.
Not quite perfect still, but not the travesty people are making it out to be over inaccurate screenshots. The worse lighting is still inexplicable. Ironically, the PS2 original is closer to the aesthetics of the game's CGI is than the remaster's attempt at matching the models to the CGI.
Tidus went from leonardo dicaprio in the ps2 version to Chucky the doll in ps3 version
It's shameful more reviews didn;t crack down on this obvious blunder.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Because they review the gameplay and story, not its graphics.Tidus went from leonardo dicaprio in the ps2 version to Chucky the doll in ps3 version
It's shameful more reviews didn;t crack down on this obvious blunder.
It's an HD remaster. Graphics are important.
DarkLordMalik
Member
The faces don't look good, sure. But it shouldn't be a reason to lower score. Any news site can focus on bashing the new faces with a detailed comparison separate from their reviews.
encephalon
Member
The new faces wouldn't nearly be as bad if it weren't for the dead eyes. The lack of effort Square put into making sure the cutscenes were properly preserved is really borderline offensive.
Tidus_Great
Banned
lol what? the gameplay and story are the same except for international content. One of the biggest selling factors was the improved resolution and better textures. They mentioned those fine but they left out the part about how screwed up the faces were
Tidus_Great
Banned
I agree, the eyes are the worst part.
encephalon
Member
lol what? the gameplay and story are the same except for international content. One of the biggest selling factors was the improved resolution and better textures. They mentioned those fine but they left out the part about how screwed up the faces were
It was probably an idea that should have been shot down after they realized they weren't willing put the work into reanimating the cutscenes.
Risk Breaker
Member
Same here. Goddamn are they UGLY. Can't deal with it.
Sooo Tidus and Auron look better in the original anyway, but they were able to make Auron look worst between alpha and retail ?Wait a minute.
People are comparing the Remaster alpha shots to the PS2 version?
:/
We should at least put out evidence that is legitimate. I didn't even know there were alterations from prerelease shots versus the final! If someone wants to capture direct release build shots and compare them to the Remaster alpha vs. the PS2 version, that would be great to clear up all of this FUD. I'm all for calling out bullshit in a remaster, but let's give the damn game a fair shake at least. If no one else does it, I'll try to do it tomorrow when I've got the time. I'm interested to see if they really did improve the mannequin faces from those alpha shots.
Edit: fuck it. Threw it together.
Not quite perfect still, but not the travesty people are making it out to be over inaccurate screenshots. The worse lighting is still inexplicable. Ironically, the PS2 original is closer to the aesthetics of the game's CGI is than the remaster's attempt at matching the models to the CGI.
I don't know how they were able to fuck up Tidus hair that much, and the lighting.. and the face.
DarkConfidant
Member
I haven't played this since 2002-ish, and have pre-ordered the PS4 version, so I'm glad to hear this.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I still don't see the point of this, isn't this essentially the same thing as the PS3 version? I assume I am missing something...
Muffdraul
Member
An "improvement" would be going back to the PS2 models.
Looks like something from the custom face creator in Mass Effect.
The Last One
Member
I was just comparing the textures, not the faces, that's why I didn't mind in using the alpha screen since the textures are the same as the final build.
The thread is about the faces, not the textures.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
I'm not currently playing through the ps4 hd edition and the bad faces with screwed up animations are making me wanna restart on an emulator.
It's pissing me off.
Tidus: "what's she smiling about?"
*pans to Yuna with a locked blank face*
Ugh!!
It's pissing me off.
Tidus: "what's she smiling about?"
*pans to Yuna with a locked blank face*
Ugh!!
DukeLongfellow
Member
While this is a strange bump, I'll just chime in saying the faces are just one thing keeping me away.
The other thing is THE single feature that would make faces irrelevant: SKIP. SCENE.
How the hell can you ship a 40+ hours console RPG without a skip scene in 2010s?! I had hoped it would be patched in but the fact that it still isn't is unacceptable.
It would be the one feature needed to make me bite the bullet as I can have fun exploring the combat/progression system without going through the story for the 10th time.
The other thing is THE single feature that would make faces irrelevant: SKIP. SCENE.
How the hell can you ship a 40+ hours console RPG without a skip scene in 2010s?! I had hoped it would be patched in but the fact that it still isn't is unacceptable.
It would be the one feature needed to make me bite the bullet as I can have fun exploring the combat/progression system without going through the story for the 10th time.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Sorry for bump, I just had to vent because of the PS4 port. It looks horrible.
I caved and grabbed a ps2 copy and it's LEAGUES better. The animation, lip syncing, expressions, and face models are like a completely different game. I also noticed a lot of the original atmosphere is lost in the HD versions too.
Glad FFXII HD is actually a quality remaster.
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