building settlements that interconnect, grow, have citizens and vendors with exclusive items doesnt expand a role playing element?
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building settlements that interconnect, grow, have citizens and vendors with exclusive items doesnt expand a role playing element?
LOL. Being able to actually change the geometry of the world and make your own stuff, not a role playing element.
Now I've heard it all.
Askherserenity
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I go to all my Fallout games for the base building aspects.
Community: "The gunplay sucks in Fallout!"
Bethesda improves the gunplay and makes it more interesting.
Community: "Ugh. Bethesda wants this to be another GTA/COD clone!"
Bethesda: "The fuck. . .?!"
Screaming Meat
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Are people really clamoring for Tower Defense games in FO?
The town shit is optional right? Fuck FOB 2.0
peanutbutterlatte
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Then make like a Radroach and scuttle away
Listened to the Spotify playlist Bethesda uploaded today, and damn they nailed it again with the licensed tracks. They scored Nat King Cole's Orange Coloured Sky, which was used in the New Vegas trailer and got me insanely hyped but was never actually in the game.
disappeared
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Nope but they're deep-throating it to us regardless.
The town shit does not interest me. Crafting weapon mods does. According to the leaker there is nothing showing a rep system or karma system. Unless Bethesda put that stuff behind the scenes (which I doubt since they love making things simplified) then it's probably not in.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
Why does everyone want every Fallout game to be the exact same. Come on, this is a cool as hell new system, give it a shot. Of course you don't play Fallout games for the base building aspects, this is a NEW SYSTEM that Bethesda implemented for this new version of Fallout, Fallout 4.
Krappadizzle
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Yeah. I have no interest in it as well.
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You miss the point... sure the gunplay is improved but did they have to remove the stuff that has nothing to do with gunplay?
Emperor_Uriel
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1. We don't know this, but it seems like the most valid complaint thus far. Still, a few early-game clunkers doesn't necessarily mean that the game's dialogue is a wreck.
2. Perk ranks function almost identically to skill increases, where substantial changes only came every 25 points.
3 & 4. Repair was an uninteresting upkeep task and karma was largely broken and unrepresentative of the character's large-scale actions (characters who are saintly in quests are still deemed evil for stealing random garbage, bad karma from nuking one town can be buried by giving enough water to random beggars, etc).
Factions would have been nice, but we have no real idea of how they're being handled yet.
TheOohChild
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Opinions I guess. I think little pop up messages and a pip boy graphic is a much weaker game play element than base building.
Last Hearth
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Yes, let's not mention all the RPG elements they removed/streamlined out of the game in addition to (supposedly) improving gunplay, because that would render your entire theory null and void.
Spanish guy said that it's an important part of the game. Luckily that makes me insanely happy
he'll be back just for that game.
only dreams and sarcasm here, I'm afraid.
uh?
Didn't the same leaker guy say that he had some notification that either his companion or the NPC he was speaking to didn't approve of what he had said, which is why he was looking in the interface for some kind of reputation (and didn't find it)?
Community: "The karma system gets in the way of the moral ambiguity of my decisions"
Bethesda removes binary classifications of player actions to allow players to make decisions more freely.
Community: "Ugh, Bethesda's taking another step back."
Bethesda: "The fuck. . .?!"
Askherserenity
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I am going to give it a shot and I hope it's cool.
My response was made because of his response to Evilore's comment. It just didn't make sense.
I fail to see why it's even considered an alternative. There is more gameplay in base building, defence, and maintaining than there is in all 4 things that were affected by Karma in FO3.
texhnolyze
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Lol.
In trying to point out someone else requiring more hand holding to understand their games you just described how you need sentences in longer more drawn out form for them to be "objectively better." Okay.
And I don't dislike Fallout 2's system. I just don't feel the need to act like a temple was desecrated when dialogue options that are meant to say the same things are whittled down a few syllables. Whether the quality of the actual writing itself is the same between the two games is a different story, but if we're just talking about the idea of having your character's thoughts projected into an option, then I don't think you're quite getting the entire point you think you're making.
I won't even try with that second paragraph.
There was a clause that they would get a bonus if the NV metacritic score was 85 and over . It got 84.
Bethesda employee: "the community doesn't like the guns in the game"
Todd Howard: "Okay let's improve on that but let's take out/not improve on the elements people do like"
Bethesda employee: "You know Todd, New Vegas doe-"
Todd Howard: "NEW WHAT?!?! GET OUT OF HERE"
TetraGenesis
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Or, you know, play, like, any other AAA video game from 2015. Hahaha.
So much of this has been really deflating, but I still want to play it so bad.
Atomic Airplanes
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Thank you!
More_Badass
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Couldn't disagree more. How is starting your own settlement in the wasteland not an expansion of the role playing element?
From Megaton and Arefu in 3 to Bonnie Springs in New Vegas, these ramshackle communities built from the junk and debris is one of the coolest parts of the worlds
Finally being able to build and maintain your own community in the world absolutely adds to the wasteland survivor fantasy.
Just because you dislike it doesn't mean it's not a role playing addition
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Obsidian missed Fallout New Vegas Metacritic bonus by one point.
and I believe they also said they will not work on any game with similar clauses.
peanutbutterlatte
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Fallout isn't base building? Fallout isn't an action RPG. But the series would be deader than Duke Nukem without it.
Guys you forgot about playing retro games on your pipboy, the real meat of the game.
Presentation means nothing when Dungeon Masters can't add exactly + 4 to their dice roll to decide whether or not you get another dice roll to decide whether you successfully attack something.
How the hell do you even know that?
I didn't miss any point. I was responding specifically to someone who said they wanted to turn this into an open world FPS or straight up FPS.
TimeEffect
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building settlements that interconnect, grow, have citizens and vendors with exclusive items doesnt expand a role playing element?
Do we know how deep this is?
Not to be so down, but I figured this would be shallower than lead on, with the main emphasis coming from just building, as opposed to the gameplay elements that can come out of it.
CelticVegas
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Spanish guy said that it's an important part of the game. Luckily that makes me insanely happy
Me too. Can't wait i will lose days on settlements.
Windom Earle
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Better gunplay doesn't make a better RPG. See Mass Effect.
With all their many problems, Bethy's games have a strange magnetic pull which is elevated by their extensive support for mods, and I think this is the one thing the notorious gamebryo engine is good for. I enjoyed Fallout 3 a lot and it gets a lot of flack in here now. I enjoyed it more than New Vegas (damn good game tho) because for me the world building in FO3 was better. If they at least manage that in FO4 then I'll propably leave the wasteland happy. I might even look at the game and say "this is fine".
While I do think the visuals could be better even for Bethy, I'm not really worried about that. I know that when I return to this game in late 2016 it will be rendered beatiful by myriads of mods.
We know that it is possible to put trading routes between your owned settlements and set companions/named NPCs as the leaders of your settlements. So far pretty much everything that has been shown shows that it is at least a big enough deal to care about.
Mr. Smiley
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aaaaaaaaaah, don't make that comparison! It's only thing I have left to be excited about.
That's feels really weird to say for a Fallout game.
No. It is completely optional to build your settlement and everything related to that.
Windom Earle
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Objection, repair worked very well in New Vegas and granted many new options to solve quests.
If I build a settlement, can I leave it alone or will I come back to find it destroyed.
I think he's specifically referring to weapon condition and mandatory maintenance. Repair as a skill outside of that context isn't really being lost, as it'll likely get shifted into the modification and robotics perks.
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