Yeah they have taken away some things I liked but they also added some things I'll like in its place and I think the good outweighs the bad for me personally.
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Fallout 4 has gone gold; leaked gameplay vids
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Yeah they have taken away some things I liked but they also added some things I'll like in its place and I think the good outweighs the bad for me personally.
Europe was nuked 20 years before Fallout 3. While it would be cool the canonical material seems to push away from the idea of being able to be in Europe and survive, but i'm sure whoever wanted to could just make up a viable story if they wanted to go there.
Rushersauce
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They could have improved it, but removing things is cool, too!
Askherserenity
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People are just now being able to see some of the game now. I think Bethesda has been way too quite. Things start leaking here and there and people waiting desperately for the game were going to react one way or another.
I don't see how there's anything wrong with criticizing what we've seen so far. It's the only bit of information we have.
It didn't work before but it could of been improved upon. With this generation they could of easily been able to have the game tell when it would make sense to get negative or positive karma. If not then at the very least the reputation system should of stayed in. The problem here is there is nothing. Removing another element of role playing that a lot of people love. If you didn't care for it you can always ignore it or they could of at least have it be optional.
G-GOTY!
The problem isn't that they removed mediocre systems. The problem is they didn't replace them with other interesting ones.
This is all based on pre-release hearsay though but if those impressions are true then this game sounds like it struggled through the design phase of development.
This is all based on pre-release hearsay though but if those impressions are true then this game sounds like it struggled through the design phase of development.
Zombie James
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The issue is that instead of expanding and improving on a mechanic, or bringing in something new and better to replace it, they just drop it instead. It's lazy. Just like immortal NPCs are a lazy alternative to actually having good companion AI or letting player choices have consequences.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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This is one thing I don't think I'll care for. Maybe there are different types of power armor and you can get some that you can always wear.
Solid Samus
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Did you even watch any of the available footage? Power Armor looks just fine. It's just not something you place in your inventory anymore. It's massive, tank like Armor that you can climb in and out of. It has to be powered and can be customized in a similar manner to weapons and armor. It could be argued that that's even more accurate to the lore than being able to pocket the shit and run it indefinitely.
You can wear your armor into buildings and quests. You just have to keep it powered, and its got advantages and disadvantages that suit a giant suit of armor. And there's tons of parts for customizing Power Armor from the look of it.
Mr. Smiley
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I'd rather they try to improve Karma, taking ques from the Rep system if they could, or just bring in the Rep system from NV instead of removing a general reputation system.
but whatever i guess, the brief glimpses of potential were just silly dreams
Does anyone know how Followers/Companions are handled? Is it still ""Come with me." "Ok.""
but whatever i guess, the brief glimpses of potential were just silly dreams
Does anyone know how Followers/Companions are handled? Is it still ""Come with me." "Ok.""
Everyone know this is what would have been best
Atomic Airplanes
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Okay, thank you!
PdotMichael
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Well, the changes pander exactly to that group of people.
All I know, from the little I've seen, is that the protagonist talks to his Companions like
they're his dog. "Get 'em" when asking a Companion to attack an enemy.
Krappadizzle
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PS4 supposedly has mods, but we haven't seen official confirmation yet as far as I know. XB1 WILL have mods for sure. PS4 is probably the safer bet if it does get mod support, but given what we've seen so far I can't imagine there is any tangible difference between the two versions. I'd say go with whichever you prefer.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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If they take enough damage they get fultoned out. It takes a lot of damage though.
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Rushersauce
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Yes, I've seen it. That's why I comment.
Hero Prinny
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The power armor in fallout 4 is actually one of the very few good changes to the game imo, i like how it looks a lot
Your buddy gets sent back to mother base once they take a certain amount of damage
Meh, whatever. Il just wait for the steam sales and mod the shit out of it. It's not like Fallout 3 was worth it without mods anyway.
Do we know yet whether the game has locale-based reputation? Like, do they track any of this stuff and just not represent it in UI anywhere?
I feel like this is what most people are thinking without saying it.
It's a Bethesda release.
Whether you like them or dislike them, you definitely don't ignore them. And I feel most people here, even the despondent ones, are going to get a copy at some point, heck I even feel like some of the most negative ones here are the most likely to buy it.
Rushersauce
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Exactly, pointless in what game again? Fallout 3. Tells you something about Bethesda fucking the franchise.
peanutbutterlatte
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I don't understand
There are no pandas in Fallout 4
Youre thinking of Yao Gui.
Silly goose.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Tinfoilhatsron press A: Sad
Can you predict my response based off that one word?
It's objectively better because what the PC said and what you picked actually matched. If you can't understand this then perhaps you are the perfect auidence for this new dialogue system.
Also Fallout 2 dialogue choices match Fallout 3 huh? Except you know you can SKIP the BS if you were say playing again then? This is somehow worse than newer games? Lol.
Karma sucked as implemented in 3. For example, if someone dies (whether by your hand or otherwise, fairly or otherwise) and they aren't flagged as a Bad Person inherently, and you subsequently go to their former home and scavenge their stuff, you get a bad karma ping for every single thing you take. If the game had predetermined thatthey're a Bad Person though, you can do whatever you want. Plus the awful loss of karma sound every time you take those 100 items out of the house in the above scenario.
Faction/location/personal reputation are critical components, though and make perfect sense. Or not...
Bethesda design iteration philosophy seems to be to just remove imperfect features outright, instead of improving them while retaining the depth they offer.
Faction/location/personal reputation are critical components, though and make perfect sense. Or not...
Bethesda design iteration philosophy seems to be to just remove imperfect features outright, instead of improving them while retaining the depth they offer.
mutants and other monsters came from the radiation from the bombs. Vaults were built because of the threat of the bombs. Pip Boys are the Fallout universe 1950s smartwatches. People dont live for 100s of years, the whole "I woke up 200 years later" thing is specific to FO4 and nobody knows the deal with it
Brotherhood of Steel, The Enclave and others are various factions that formed along the years after the bombs fell.
TheOohChild
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#notamodel
disappeared
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this is the post I died to
Well, there is no level cap, so if Int makes you level quicker, the faster you get Int to 9, the quicker it'll be to unlock everything
Mr. Smiley
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I guess that's an improvement all things considered Fallout 3 and Skyrim. Hope there's more.
If not then man, I don't know. Feels like I'm only in it this time around to build a town and shit. Nothing else seems like to grab me.
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If there is a metacritc score clause attached, no. They will not.
Krappadizzle
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turnoffkarmamessagesound.esm
But yes, it seems they'd rather cut than iterate/improve. I don't necessarily hate all the changes, but some of them are a little like:
Last Hearth
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It really does seem the want FO to become more like GTA/COD hybrid, a sandbox shooter, rather than an RPG.
off duty ninja
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I hope the Obsidian sequel/spin off will take place in the Pacific Northwest. Just throwing that out there.
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No interest in that sorry. It doesn't affect the way you play. It's just there since map building is hugely popular. Great for those that like it and thankfully it doesn't have a huge role in the game (hopefully?) but it's not a system that expands on the role playing element.
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That involves people being creative.
Too bad Chris Avellone left.
Zombie James
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I don't feel babysitting a base from random raider attacks is a suitable alternative to a karma system.
everyday math
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That looked really rough.
Solid Samus
Banned
lol come on
I'm not saying that shit is a direct replacement for Karma but you're being so crazy dismissive toward things like settlements and crafting. And we're not yet sure how the faction reputation system will be implemented.
peanutbutterlatte
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Holy shit they actually got Orange Coloured Sky?? They used it for the New Vegas trailer but it was never actually in the game. That's fantastic.
off duty ninja
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They did work on two games for Bethesda after FNV, but both were cancelled (Backspace, a new sci-fi FPS RPG, and Prey 2 for a while).
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