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[Dick Justice]

But all indications are that isn't in FO4 either, so we're basically left without any reptuation/morality system to roleplay with.

No karma system is a win in my book.

 

[disappeared]

NV's rep system was way better than Karma, it actually made sense in the world

Yes but we're not supposed to talk about that.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

But all indications are that isn't in FO4 either, so we're basically left without any reptuation/morality system to roleplay with.

No reputation system at all?

 

[rjinaz]

In my second Fallout 3 playthrough I practiced Extreme Cannibalism.. I wasn't just a cannibal, I wanted to be history's greatest cannibal. I was eating every NPC I came across (other than the immune ones, of course) and as I consumed a town or settlement I'd mark it off on a map I was sharing with my friends.

I hope there's cannibalism in 4.

There is!

 

[Dynasty8]

no, Fallout games are completely self contained

Thanks.

Shouldn't be an issue. There might be some callbacks you miss, but the games are mostly standalone.

Cool, thanks. I went through a couple YouTube vids and they were pretty overwhelming...I'm gonna try reading some lore stuff just to better understand those callbacks. Games are way more interesting when you understand what's going on.

 

[Rushersauce]

Karma made the game? Really?

Sorry, was one of the plenty of features that made the game.
Well, that does it. I'll grab it when it's cheap. In a year or two.
New Vegas was superior.. It's sad that Bethesda didn't learn anything from Obsidian.

 

[Rhaknar]

But stealing the bad guys instant mash is also evil karma. You can steal a raider's purified water, give it to a dying man, and you'd still be a little bit evil.

Absolutely no need to bitch about its removal. Again, role playing. You know in your head if something you do is evil.

there very much is a reason to bitch about it, when your intention is to create drama. Everyone hates encumbrance in every game, but I bet if they removed it (they didnt as far as I know) these types of post would be "lol they removed encumbrance for casuals"

and thats not saying there arent legit concerns with FO4, which there are plenty, but we have clearly reached the "lets shitpost about any little thing because its funny" phase

 

[ANDS]

How about you THINK about what you just said yourself first? What you said is basically a confirmation of what i said. Think about your scenario, you talk to the person again after picking that one option, the one you picked is greyed out right? So where is the room for a new topic? There isn't one, since you have to "end" the current topic first.

Because that's how Fallout 3/New Vegas worked right? Wait no it didn't. It did the exact same thing bringing you right back to the original set of responses.

But all indications are that isn't in FO4 either, so we're basically left without any reptuation/morality system to roleplay with.

Some reputation system is in the game. How it works or if it's just for companions isn't known.

 

[Askherserenity]

No reputation system at all?

None.

Because that's how Fallout 3/New Vegas worked right? Wait no it didn't. It did the exact same thing bringing you right back to the original set of responses.



Some reputation system is in the game. How it works or if it's just for companions isn't known.

Where did you hear that?

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

No game is safe from Gaf hyberolic reaction.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Skills are tied into perks now. Well except repair. That's gone.

Whaaat, I always leveled up repair.

 

[Ogimachi]

Translated impressions from the leaker

The player said that he did not really enjoy the dialogue system in the game. And that in 23 hours he faced very few missions in which he wasn’t able to get out of a situation by through dialogue. There is a similar friendship system to that in Dragon Age and Mass Effect games. However there is no visible karma system. The in-game statistics also did not have any indicators for your reputation. So the reputation system will likely work in a similar way to Skyrim’s the player speculated.

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Agremont]

I wonder where bethesda's streamlining will end. When their games are just fps'?

 

[Rhaknar]

bombs fell. civilized world is over (well, at least civilized north america, Im waiting for the europe Fallout where everything is still fine lol), welcome to the post apocalypse. honestly thats all the lore you need

 

[Atomic Airplanes]

I didn't know where else to ask this since that PS4 screenshot thread was locked but I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on which version of Fallout 4 to get. I have both a PS4 and XBO and my PC isn't adequate so which console version is looking to be the best?

I know that the XBO version is supposed to have some added mod support I think???
And I'm also wondering the performance difference, are they both 1080p 30fps?
Any other pros and cons?

 

[Real Hero]

I wonder where bethesda's streamlining will end. When their games are just fps'?

Well surely that is the end goal

 

[Wallach]

NV's rep system was way better than Karma, it actually made sense in the world

Karma has had a pretty weird history across the series. For the most part, I've always felt it worked poorly; it worked best in Fallout 2 because that was when they built reputation properly by locale and Karma existed on top of that, but even there the game would have been better off with just the underlying reputation system. It certainly sucked ass in Fallout 3 when the reputation foundation of the system was pulled, and it went back to being an unnecessary and unintuitive addition to the reputation system in New Vegas.

If they bring back anything it should be reputation. Karma can fuck off.

 

[Windom Earle]

So they removed:

- Extensive dialog options
- Proper skill assignment on level up
- Repair
- Reputation system

What else?

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I guess I have to be an US citizen to understand this...

I'm from Canada and I get it.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I wonder where bethesda's streamlining will end. When their games are just fps'?

Gosh who knows. It's a scary world we live in. It could almost be argued WE'RE in the post-apocalypse.

 

[DangerMan]

Anyone else feel this looks crazy disappointing... Visually, based off this leaked footage, it looks like Fallout 3 running at 1080p30fps. To me that is not acceptable for a full-priced PS4 game. Gameplay looks very familiar and seems to be doing little in the way of new mechanics. Everything still looks janky which is how I feel about every Bethesda-developed game. This is the flagship single-player PS4 game for the holiday season it seems and it just looks like I'll be really disappointed.

If someone could fill me in on what exactly Fallout 4 is doing new I'd greatly appreciate it. Also, this footage seems to be from Xbox One, both versions are 1080p30fps right? Is the PS4 version going to use higher quality textures? The textures look insanely bad in the leaked footage...

 

[Solid Samus]

Translated impressions from the leaker

The gift that keeps on giving.

Aren't those the old impressions? Last I heard, the leader's opinion on the dialogue system had improved more over time.

 

[Rushersauce]

I wonder where bethesda's streamlining will end. When their games are just fps'?

Wait for Fallout 5. It'll be another shooter. And people will praise it because of reasons. "Who needs levels, locations and even dialogs when you can shoot stuff"

 

[Ashura_MX]

I like the way the looting system works vs. fallout 3.

 

[valkyre]

Concerning the dog, there are tons of solutions in order to both retain the videogame side of gameplay, while at the same time making it more believable.

Dog could roll, have an animation (i know asking for extra animations in a Bethesda game must be considered blasphemous by now...) or at the very least produce some kind of audio effect that resembles pain.

I will also repeat for the millionth time that Mr Kojima deserves a fucking medal for the buddy system in MGSV. Be it the horse, Ddog, Quiet and even Dwalker, every buddy option worked wonderfully and never became a hindrance during gameplay. Especially regarding the Horse and Dog I dont think i have ever played a game that had an equally enjoyable buddy such as MGSV.

After Ddog (animation and interaction) the dog in Fallout looks like a bad joke. At least DD was believable in his reactions, movement etc

But hey its Bethesda, these things are so unimportant for them to bother with...

 

[Zombie James]

No karma, either? Yeah, let's keep pretending that Bethesda's games haven't been regressing with each new release.

 

[Jobbs]

There is!

Well, there it is. Now the question is whether I go cannibal on my first play or second.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I didn't know where else to ask this since that PS4 screenshot thread was locked but I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on which version of Fallout 4 to get. I have both a PS4 and XBO and my PC isn't adequate so which console version is looking to be the best?

I know that the XBO version is supposed to have some added mod support I think???
And I'm also wondering the performance difference, are they both 1080p 30fps?
Any other pros and cons?

Well both are suppose to run at 1080p/30fps and looking at the game they should be identical in every way. Won't know for sure unless DF does an analysis but I think they should be close.

I think...and don't quote me on this but both versions are suppose to be getting mod support however X1 will get it first I think?

So my advice, get whichever you want. Either one should be fine.

 

[disappeared]

No game is safe from Gaf hyberolic reaction.

What in the hell are you talking about? We're arguing logical points, visibly detrimental, against a game in a series that started as a life-or-death Role-Playing-Game. Now it looks as if the series has turned into a theme park ride. For those of us who have followed this series for over a decade, there is all the time in the world for fans to air their grievances.

 

[Real Hero]

I will also repeat for the millionth time that Mr Kojima deserves a fucking medal for the buddy system in MGSV. Be it the horse, Ddog, Quiet and even Dwalker, every buddy option worked wonderfully and never became a hindrance during gameplay. Especially regarding the Horse and Dog I dont think i have ever played a game that had an equally enjoyable buddy such as MGSV.

This is very true, definitely the best buddy system in a game like that

 

[Aaron D.]

While Neogaf isn't actually a monolith and we have a variety of opinions here, the overall feeling of my experience reading Fallout 4 threads over the past couple days is a swirling vortex of gleeful negativity, and I don't understand it. As a long time fan of Bethesda games and someone who has day one'd each Bethesda RPG since Morrowind, I haven't seen anything yet that bothers me. I can't wait for tuesday! That's why the texture of Neogaf feels so odd. I don't know from what seed this enthusiastic hatred of the game and this rush to come to negative conclusions based on little or no information grows.

While you likely won't get much feedback on this post, I'll just say that I tend to agree.

It's kind of baffling.

Do we all just get a kick out of watching giants fall? Do we simply want to see the world burn?

 

[rjinaz]

So they removed:

- Extensive dialog options
- Proper skill assignment on level up
- Repair
- Reputation system

What else?

Power armor as a suit of armor. It is now more akin to a vehicle you climb into.

Not sure how I feel about that one to be honest.

 

[Zukuu]

bombs fell. civilized world is over (well, at least civilized north america, Im waiting for the europe Fallout where everything is still fine lol), welcome to the post apocalypse. honestly thats all the lore you need

Seriously tho, instead of getting around the tenth time in a US city, a Europe Fallout would be great.

 

[JaeCryo]

Forums need drama, people need things to discuss beyond just "I really want to play this game!"

I remember when, during the week before The Witcher 3's release, people were going crazy over the graphics downgrade. They spent dozens of pages tearing apart every fuzzy LOD texture and counting the quantity of pubic hairs on a monster's taint. There was rage, calls for the cancellation of preorders, vitriolic tweets and emails towards CDPR employees demanding apologies for their lies.

And now everyone is looking at Fallout 4 and going "Lol Bethesda you shittards why can't you make a competent looking game like Witcher?"

I'll say here what I said in those Witcher threads: Morrowind isn't perfect, Skyrim isn't perfect. Red Dead, GTAV, The Last of Us, Bioshock, all imperfect. Every one of last gen's potential GOATS could be picked apart for having some pretty major failings... but they're still all incredible games.

Fallout 4 will do many things that make it GOAT-worthy in the eyes of many avid Fallout fans. It will also do things that prevent some genre veterans from getting into it at all. That's okay. It isn't the last game in the series, so take the good with the bad and hope that, if you end up unsatisfied, Bethesda does things differently next time.

Not many groups of people in the world out there who have stronger feelings on a particular subject matter than gamers do on a particular video game.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Lol, sogood.gif.

 

[Mermandala]

Well, there it is. Now the question is whether I go cannibal on my first play or second.

2nd. To better plan you menu.

 

[Jobbs]

What in the hell are you talking about? We're arguing logical points, visibly detrimental, against a game in a series that started as a life-or-death Role-Playing-Game. Now it looks as if the series has turned into a theme park ride. For those of us who have followed this series for over a decade, there is all the time in the world for fans to air their grievances.

Not every negative post is over the top hyperbole, but there have been many examples of this. I've noticed a really unfair rush to negativity regarding this game in the past few days (just in general). Many people are taking any excuse to bash the game, and do it with glee.

 

[hydruxo]

No karma, either? Yeah, let's keep pretending that Bethesda's games haven't been regressing with each new release.

Do people really care about Karma that much? I prefer not having it honestly.

 

[rjinaz]

Well, there it is. Now the question is whether I go cannibal on my first play or second.

In order to get it you need

Spoiler

8 in Endurance

so plan accordingly

 

[Shredderi]

We aight.

Of course! To tell you the truth, despite my machismo about not buying this if some of the thing I've heard turn out to be true, I will. I mean this is Fallout 4 and I've been waiting for this since 2012 at least. I can't just skip it. I mean sure I'll be disappointed in some things but I'm pretty sure that I must have it.

 

[sappyday]

I fully expect VATS to be gone in Fallout 5 and there will be some saying it was never needed and a pointless addition to the game.

 

[Rushersauce]

Power armor as a suit of armor. It is now more akin to a vehicle you climb into.

Not sure how I feel about that one to be honest.

Fucking really? Hahahaha hahaha now they're shitting on the Fallout lore/story/universe. Holy shit! Way to go, Bethesda.. Wait a second, they already shat on everything in F3. Nvm, then.

 

[Windom Earle]

Power armor as a suit of armor. It is now more akin to a vehicle you climb into.

Not sure how I feel about that one to be honest.

Aquiring PA was always one of the most memorable moments in my Fallout playthroughs. This sounds weird too. :/

 

[Disxo]

Seriously tho, instead of getting around the tenth time in a US city, a Europe Fallout would be great.

A europe fallout wont have a fallout personality, imo should be an spinoff.

 

[Das Ace]

That site still hasn't updated the full perk info btw., you can check the updated full list at http://orcz.com/Fallout_4:_Perk_Chart

Why isn't Idiot Savant called Dumb Luck?

God dammit Bethesda

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I've managed to not watch this, I'm pretty proud of myself. I don't think I've had this limited an exposure to a game I've been excited for since Pokemon Gold.

I can't even access that blog post on the music because the age gate doesn't work on my phone...

 

[Dynasty8]

bombs fell. civilized world is over (well, at least civilized north america, Im waiting for the europe Fallout where everything is still fine lol), welcome to the post apocalypse. honestly thats all the lore you need

What about the mutants? The technology like Pip Boy? Why were the vaults built and do each vaults communicate with each other? How do people live for 100's of years? Also, who are the Brotherhood of Steel and the other evil group...forgot their name?

 

[Rhaknar]

What in the hell are you talking about? We're arguing logical points, visibly detrimental, against a game in a series that started as a life-or-death Role-Playing-Game. Now it looks as if the series has turned into a theme park ride. For those of us who have followed this series for over a decade, there is all the time in the world for fans to air their grievances.

you could at least pretend to be fair in the slightest and also point out shit they added, like the extensive weapon modding or the player housing / settlement building for example, or improved the gunplay a lot from early reports, which is something everyone shat on FO3 and NV for

and by you, I mean in general, I dont know if you specifically mentioned it

I fully expect VATS to be gone in Fallout 5 and there will be some saying it was never needed and a pointless addition to the game.

dont touch my VATS pls ;_;

 

[ANDS]

No karma, either? Yeah, let's keep pretending that Bethesda's games haven't been regressing with each new release.

The same karma system that people shit on when it was first released? Amazing how bad things become good when it's needed to critique Bethany.

 

[DangerMan]

Concerning the dog, there are tons of solutions in order to both retain the videogame side of gameplay, while at the same time making it more believable.

Dog could roll, have an animation (i know asking for extra animations in a Bethesda game must be considered blasphemous by now...) or at the very least produce some kind of audio effect that resembles pain.

I will also repeat for the millionth time that Mr Kojima deserves a fucking medal for the buddy system in MGSV. Be it the horse, Ddog, Quiet and even Dwalker, every buddy option worked wonderfully and never became a hindrance during gameplay. Especially regarding the Horse and Dog I dont think i have ever played a game that had an equally enjoyable buddy such as MGSV.

After Ddog (animation and interaction) the dog in Fallout looks like a bad joke. At least DD was believable in his reactions, movement etc

But hey its Bethesda, these things are so unimportant for them to bother with...

I didn't enjoy MGSV enough to play past episode 7 or so, but couldn't the horse not die? That was the only buddy I used but the fact that the horse seemed to always just get back up after some time ruined the immersion. Does the dog constantly just revive itself too?