DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Huh?
Is this like a Stockholm Syndrome for Bethesda game fans or something?
This I agree with.
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Fallout 4: Pete Hines Defends His Solid 30 FPS Comment...
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Huh?
Is this like a Stockholm Syndrome for Bethesda game fans or something?
This I agree with.
bananafactory
Banned
No, they have a reputation for developing incredible products that are poorly optimized.
Theres a difference and the degree to which performance impacts enjoyment will vary wildly from person to person, which is why people still buy them
old manatee
Banned
BULLSHIT DETECTED
d00d3n
Member
The PS4/XBONE versions are the premier versions of the game. Cutting edge frame limiting tech is making these versions relatively bug free, while the PC crowd has to deal with game breaking bugs when trying to interact with the first computer terminal in the game.
Does starting a new game fix his issue? That shit sucks. Gamebreaking bugs day one....yup it's fucking bethesda
Considering the shit they already get away with on consoles, you might literally be better off waiting for a cure to illnesses. All of them.
Memorabilia
Member
Ouch. That's ugly.
Think I'll be waiting for GOTY edition to hit $30 in a couple years. Lol
Dictator93
Member
I am pretty sure you just have to cap your framerate?
Not that that is at all reasonable though.
n051de
Member
If you are getting it for one of the consoles. I'd wait and see if they patch it within the next week or so. I don't think it will take as long to address these issues like it took for them with Skyrim on PS3.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I rebuilt my database and it's running a bit better, but solid 30 fps is still really stretching it.
d00d3n
Member
I didn't try that, but I don't think so. The bug is completely persistent when reloading the game. Limiting fps to 60 in riva tuner statistics server or not interacting with computer terminals in the game makes it possible to move on though, so I guess we shouldn't be so harsh on Bethesda ...
so stable like a one legged man then?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'm pretty sure that Hines can say such straight lies at people faces and defends them so poorly, because after all is said and done, the game will still sell millions of copies.
And seeing Steam numbers, you guys totally deserve it.
And seeing Steam numbers, you guys totally deserve it.
SolarMystic
Banned
Fallout 4 is a lot better than that pile of garbage.
Skyrim on Ps3,even after all the patches, is a near unplayable BROKEN game.
Fallout 4 performs much better on both consoles than Skyrim did on Ps3. Both Xbox One and Ps4 has slow downs, though not skyrim levels, and the Xbox One version has a weird bug that causes the game to hiccup every once in awhile randomly.
I got called out today by someone who INSISTED to me that the PS3 Skyrim issue was overblown and that "we don't have the numbers" and that my criticism of Bethesda games technical performance was irrational and that I was an "entitled malcontent" for having the audacity to ask for better QA at launch.
... I very clearly remember watching the Spike VGA's in November, seeing Skyrim win Game of the Year... and that very same day I was trying to play it on my PS3 and it wouldn't work. Keep freezing and crashing.
Yeah, they have no reason to fix anything so long as critics shower them with the highest awards they can possible give them and people buy millions of copies, all while versions of the game are quite literally in unplayable states.
Thankfully, it doesn't sound like Fallout 4 is AS bad... yet. We'll see after some time has passed.
NullPointer
Member
Its just a weird way of saying the Xbox has hitches when entering new areas. Not drops to low 20s or teens in framerate, but the game can just momentarily stop in its tracks on occasion.
I didn't try that, but I don't think so. The bug is completely persistent when reloading the game. Limiting fps to 60 in riva tuner statistics server or not interacting with computer terminals in the game makes it possible to move on though, so I guess we shouldn't be so harsh on Bethesda ...
It's linked to framerate. If you literally play the game at higher fps, animations and the like actually run faster.
You can literally play the game as a "Sonic mod" just by having a monitor with a high refresh rate. It's hilarious.
Video proof to my claims, by the way.
SolarMystic
Banned
Yea, the game hiccups randomly from time to time. Been conflicting reports on how often so probably random. Game is probably having trouble loading textures.
wanderjahr
Banned
Bethesda PR is about as janky as their games.
Loving FO4, but Bethesda's delivery of the game leaves a lot to be desired.
Loving FO4, but Bethesda's delivery of the game leaves a lot to be desired.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
My goodness.
I am sorry, but this is unacceptable in late 2015 with such old tech (shit should be refined and polished by now). Like, how do you let this slip on PC of all places knowing framerate is king?
But free pass to them, again, all around. Polish the shelf for the next set of awards.
That particular quote ... Why does it read like one would assume there to be a problem with the PS3 port in the first place? Unless he knew it was shit.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
He has spent the last few years playing the game. I'd assume his comments are on the lines of, "hold on one sec, I'll roll out the red carpet for you".
d00d3n
Member
Interesting. Based on this, would you recommend never going over 60 fps cap under any circumstances? (unless you want speed mod)
Lmfao. That's ridiculous. How could they overlook that.
SolarMystic
Banned
So far it seems to be the most stable game at launch they've released since oblivion, but time will tell. We will have to wait and see as more and more players get to higher playtimes.
FunkyPajamas
Member
We really need to work on our definition of "unplayable". I played through LoS just fine. Yes, the game dropped frames, yes, it made some fights/QTEs a pain. But you guys go too far sometimes, seriously.
From what I've read and the videos I've seen, it seems like the game completely freezes for about a second and then starts again. Basically it skips during one second. Zero frames per second. It's not constant but it does happen. That doesn't make the game unplayable either. It's just annoying I guess.
No it's more like a stable full of burning horses
Possumowner
Member
Stick to 60, I guess.
Unless there are parts of the game actually designed for 30, but I'd fucking hope not..
BlindJesus
Member
I've been part of NeoGaf for a short amount of time and one thing that really bothers me is the amount of cognitive dissonance some people adopt for some games, but not others. Some games get a pass, some games get slaughtered for the exact same reasons.
People cry how AAA publishers are bending you over a barrel, but automatically ignore last months/years outrage for a game that interests them.
Broken/locked framerate? Check.
Dumbed down game mechanics? Check.
'Jankiness'? Check....(I hate that word)
Very real possibility of paid mods in the future?Check.
Community managers/representatives of the companies being disingenuous? Check.
"But it's fallout and Bethesda has always done it"....Oh, okay. Can't wait to read about how derivative next years CoD/AC/Batman game is....
Haha haha holy shit that's so bad
d00d3n
Member
Yes, it would be completely unfair to us if they withheld the game until it was actually finished.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I don't know how some people can be like they make great amazing games but are okay with playing it in the crappy state that it's in?
Like, what if they never patch this game? Are yall still going to be like GOTY? Come on... That can't be possible.
Like, what if they never patch this game? Are yall still going to be like GOTY? Come on... That can't be possible.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is precisely what is going on here. It is like, even the fans do not want them to improve. I just do not get it.
I can understand some ports being like this, but the ones that come to mind are Japanese franchises with next to no major history on PC, like Tales or Way of the Samurai.
Fallout first and foremost is a PC franchise, so how this was overlooked would astound me, if it were not the fact this is a Bethesda game. Basic core elements to their games often seemed overlooked in terms of consistent mechanics, so more technical ones must be multiverse-level of confusing to their staff.
This is the same company that said spears couldn't work in Skyrim due to "engine limitations", correct? Even though modders accomplished it in what could be called miraculous, divine-like time of only a few weeks!
d00d3n
Member
Why is this list not giving credit for preserving each of the seven S.P.E.C.I.A.L stats in Fallout 4? Seems misleading and unfair.
Besthelboy
Banned
Get used too it.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I was really that naive to think 'Oh well, graphics aren't great, but at least it'll run solid 30fps'
Feeling soooo stupid right now for thinking and expecting that.
Feeling soooo stupid right now for thinking and expecting that.
I'm not really in the know about this stuff, but how come no one ever seems to call Todd Howard out? He always seems so beloved by people. Wouldn't he be the guy to actually address this instead of some exec who is only in charge of PR and marketing for the game?
Is it cause of his boyish good looks?
Is it cause of his boyish good looks?
RealityPales
Member
In defense of Pete Hines, I played for quite a few hours on PS4 last night and can't say I saw any noticeable or lengthy drops below 30FPS.