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Fallout 4: Pete Hines Defends His Solid 30 FPS Comment...
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What a shit show this game is.
What are you talking about? Skyrim on the PS3 is great!
Haha, holy shit.
No wonder he's all down on Fallout 4.
Is he a Bethesda PR?
DrROBschiz
Member
Anecdotally I am having a great time with it
It most definitely has the same level of Jank we see from EVERY single game built on this engine
They dont know how to fix it and likely wont bother
Probably too complex. They need whatever comes next to be far more reliable and simple to build from
paragonpro
Banned
Between reading this and the jim sterling thread, I have to wonder why video games bring with them so Much personal drama lately. It sucks the game doesnt run that great but honestly, its not worth tmz style twitter wars.
wanderjahr
Banned
I think the FO4 release is interesting for Bethesda. I think devs are realizing delivering a game is quite different than consumers receiving a game. FO4 probably wouldn't be having such the backlash it's currently experiencing had their been better expectation management by the devs and their PR machine.
I don't sympathize with them at all. They have, for more than a few of their titles now, released some pretty buggy games while being pretty stubborn about admitting that. These games don't exist in a vacuum. People who bring up The Witcher 3 are correct. TW3 is a great looking game with an engaging, emotional story and tons of fun side quests to boot. CDPR tenaciously released patch after patch so now it runs great on every platform. Their PR machine handled a lot of feedback with class. This is the new standard, this is now what consumers expect (and rightly deserve).
What will Bethesda do? What will the state of FO4 be in the months to come? I gotta say, if prior behavior is the best predictor for future behavior, I'm not optimistic.
I don't sympathize with them at all. They have, for more than a few of their titles now, released some pretty buggy games while being pretty stubborn about admitting that. These games don't exist in a vacuum. People who bring up The Witcher 3 are correct. TW3 is a great looking game with an engaging, emotional story and tons of fun side quests to boot. CDPR tenaciously released patch after patch so now it runs great on every platform. Their PR machine handled a lot of feedback with class. This is the new standard, this is now what consumers expect (and rightly deserve).
What will Bethesda do? What will the state of FO4 be in the months to come? I gotta say, if prior behavior is the best predictor for future behavior, I'm not optimistic.
I would be surprised if this game was GPU-limited. Which isn't to say it isn't, but it's somewhat more likely that the CPU is the limiting factor, and if thats the case, a resolution change wouldn't make all that much difference.
Actually, can't you force the resolution lower and see if that has an impact? I wonder if it can use lower-resolution render targets if you change the console settings. That would confirm my theory one way or another.
iNvid02
Member
pete hines has been bethesda's pr for ages, i dont understand why everyone is so upset here, hes never going to publicly tarnish his company's products, he probably knows articles and threads will pop up saying "even bethesda PR admits FO4 is a shitshow!" as soon as he does that.
he knows its better if he gets targeted for his BS (everyone knows skyrim on PS3 was ass), rather than admitting to their game's shortcomings resulting in threads and articles popping up questioning quality of bethesda games with his quotes front and center.
we get a good laugh out of pr blunders and mishaps, but he has too much experience and knows what hes doing
Betta Lines
Member
A 'buggy mess' usually describes the game functioning incorrectly, often unrelated to performance. You can have a game that never wavers from 60fps that is still a buggy mess. It's possible that some performance issues are caused by specific bugs, but it's more likely in need of more optimisation as barit says.
Gunslinger
Member
Yeah playing the game on ps4 and when I am inside a building the FPS drop is noticeable. Eg;
might return the ps4 version and get pc instead. Can a gtx 760 run this game?
in a earlier mission where you have to clear out an assembly factory of raiders. When you engage the Raiders they use molotov grenades. And the FPS I think drops to low 10s to single digit.....
DaleinCalgary
Member
I haven't had any issues on my ps4 version.
And he's been that way for a long, long time. The guy is useless. His PR is so bad I actually think to myself whether I want to give a company that has a guy like that working for them money.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
It's amazing how there are always a bunch of people with magical consoles that exhibit none of the issues everyone else is seeing. Was the same with TW3 back when it was still running at 20 fps much of the time. For some people it was somehow perfectly fine. Amazing.
(I haven't played FO4, but I've seen the videos, and there are severe issues.)
I see a few people saying the PC version is a mess. No one in my circles have had any issues outside of the standard gamebryo jank. Technically it's the least flawed bethesda game on release I've seen.
What are people seeing on pc?
Sure can. Might dial the settings down a bit depending on your preferences, but at least it's playable.
What are people seeing on pc?
Sure can. Might dial the settings down a bit depending on your preferences, but at least it's playable.
I'm only a few hours in, but so far it has been pretty flawless with graphics maxed (aside from the godrays set to medium). I've heard the keyboard/mouse support is pretty bad, but I am playing with an xbox one controller.
Of course Bethesda games don't usually start falling to pieces until you get more hours in, so I can't say it will stay solid throughout.
constantstatic
Member
Im sending the xbox one version back to amazon im running it on my 660ti locked 30fps at 1080p mixed high/ultra with shadows on medium and low light rays. I also have an outdated cpu with a i7940 at like 2.93ghz i think you should be fine.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
You understood it backwards. You don't expect quality performance of Bethesda games on consoles, specially on Sony consoles (never forget New Vegas 0 FPS).
There's probably a lot of loud sighing.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
But that was due to them not being able to handle the PS3's unconventional CPU and split memory pool (the latter was the main reason for the freezing, I believe). The PS4 has none of these issues (weak CPU notwithstanding), so there's no particular reason to expect unreasonably bad performance there. And behold, it also doesn't exhibit the momentary freezing the XBO version (with a much slower main memory pool) does. Bad framerate though, yeah.
Edit: Although, the freezing clearly has to do with slow HDD reads, so probably not a memory thing in this case. It's weird that the XBO has these issues and the PS4 doesn't. Is the stock XBO HDD really that much slower? They're both 5400 rpm drives AFAIK.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
His job is to outright lie, then lie about his lie, and be disingenuous doing it?
He fails at PR then. If you are going to lie, at least pretend like you care with a smile.
Nobody said there was a scandal at all. Who said that in here? The elephant is in the room. Pure arrogance and fuck you we sell anyway even if this shit is less than expected quality of almost 2016. Fix our game for us modders and .ini tweakers, ktnx.
Seems pretty cut and dry. The dude is a dick, and his company supports his behavior. Shows what they think about their consumers, really.
The Fallout 4 comments are silly on his part, but in this case, surely you can see where this comment comes from. I mean, Skyrim *WAS* fine on PS3 until you've played for a very lengthy period of time after which things start to get progressively worse until it's unplayable. Right out of the gate, it's not bad, and it stays fine for a long long time.What are you talking about? Skyrim on the PS3 is great!
The problem is exactly the same as Morrowind on the original Xbox. The game never ran great but it was playable initially. The more hours you put in, though, the worse it gets. After you've played for a long time the game becomes almost unplayable with single digit frame-rates and load times that literally last upwards of 5-6 minutes.
They have a real history of this stuff.
I do think he's being disingenuous here, though, as Fallout issues crop up very quickly.
GlamFM
Banned
Bullshit is strong with this one.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It is actually my opinion with how their PR handles questions and responds to their consumers. If I feel this way as a consumer, you can't tell me otherwise. Sorry not sorry, how I feel, as well as others I am sure feel bothers you.
I always though promote a game with false informations was illegal...no?
Zombie James
Banned
It's very much disingenuous. How us it that Digital Foundry spends a week with a game and finds bugs Bethesda supposedly haven't run across in 4+ years of development? Nobody in that entire span of time - from developers to QA - played the PS3 version of Skyrim to completion? They never crossed the 50 hour mark once? It's either development/testing incompetence or they were lying.
EvilAlPacino
Banned
I played for six hours yesterday on the Xbox One and not once did I run into any issues.
I may have blinked and missed if something did happen.
I may have blinked and missed if something did happen.
Dick Justice
Banned
Yeah, it's not like we have tweets that flat out lie to the consumers right? Oh...
GlamFM
Banned
Lying is more or less everything in advertising, no?
When your game runs at 30 most of the time just say runs at 30. Easy. PR.
Point me towards an ad for a car that goes : "Our car is pretty mediocre - buy it anyway!"
You´re expecting standards from a PR guy that a journalist should have.
SirNinja
Member
That's exactly what they did, though. Quite a few reviews gave it an 8-9 and either outright said or heavily implied it would have been a 9-10 if not for the bugs and/or performance issues. Many critics have come down harder on this game than they ever did for Skyrim, whose PS3 version actually was a technical trainwreck.
sammyCYBORG
Member
He either doesn't care about technical issues, or is ignorant to them, both of which are awful traits for anyone involved in game development.
Studios need to be trying to improve performance, not brush shortcomings aside.
Studios need to be trying to improve performance, not brush shortcomings aside.
It's really not. You have these negative circle jerks, where people make the games out to be far worse than they are in reality. It's just an echo chamber of shit, which is far too easy to do anonymously on a forum such as this.
Sure, there are exceptions; Halo MCC was a legit unplayable piece of crap. The new Batman on PC as well. But those are still the exception rather than the rule.
Muppet of a Man
Member
That quote by Upton Sinclair throws all sorts of truth bombs. I mean it nicely encapsulates the vast majority of adversity we all face on a daily basis.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I want the magical PS4 that some of you seem to have.
Or my PS4 is broken.
Or my PS4 is broken.
Must be.
I only had major slowdown one time. Not even sure what caused it. Yeah the fps takes dips once and a while but it really doesn't bother me.
AstroNut325
Member
I stopped giving money to Bethesda after the bug fest known as Morrowind prevented me from finishing the game.
The memory leaks only became insurmountable for me during Tribunal. No matter how many steps I walked after leaving this one house, my game would crash to desktop.
Their official forum moderators told us a fix was on the way, but a few months later after silence, their website's splash intro had a big, ominous IV.
Sorry not sorry, Morrowind players! We've moved on!
Futurematic
Member
I was making fun of everyone that gives Bethesda a free pass, which includes everybody that says not to play their games on consoles.
Stupid internet, be funnier
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