9 times out of 10 if someone who isn't white says something is racist, it probably is.
The explanation by the writer was probably among the craziest fucking things I've ever heard.
What damage and why does the existence of a particular fictional character represent something other than the character itself? If a gay game developer created a flamboyantly gay character, does that somehow make it better or okay? Is there is some line of dialogue a gay writer could write that a straight one could not? If so, fiction wouldn't work, no? What's worse, no gay characters or one you don't approve of? Is the idea of a flamboyantly gay character you disapprove of but one that is memorable, compelling, and liked by fans an impossibility? I'm not trying to gish gallop you, just curious.
The "white savior" is a pretty widespread phenomenon in the media, dude. You don't need to be actively looking for offense to notice it.
It's an image of a white man in an elevated position and someone of an ethnic group outside of his race being forcibly made to kneel. He's being used as an armrest. He is basically being reduced to furniture. That's less than human. It's the final step in degrading any race.
Doesn't matter if that's the villain or the protagonist of the game - it's highly racially charged imagery.
That's a fact. If you can't see it, it's because you're choosing to not do so. Using that as your cover for a big-blockbuster action-game is beyond insensitive.
9 times out of 10 if someone who isn't white says something is racist, it probably is.
The explanation by the writer was probably among the craziest fucking things I've ever heard.
I'm not white, and it isn't racist. Guess that makes me the 10%.9 times out of 10 if someone who isn't white says something is racist, it probably is.
It's an image of a white man in an elevated position and someone of an ethnic group outside of his race being forcibly made to kneel. He's being used as an armrest. He is basically being reduced to furniture. That's less than human. It's the final step in degrading any race.
Doesn't matter if that's the villain or the protagonist of the game - it's highly racially charged imagery.
That's a fact. If you can't see it, it's because you're choosing to not do so. Using that as your cover for a big-blockbuster action-game is beyond insensitive.
I can see your rationale. Yet Omar is a type of minority [] too and portrayed well. (The Wire is in necessity realistic.) If Ubisoft creates FC4 with an awesome character that subverts the flow, then awsome! If not, then everyone here will eat crow. A win, win eh?I feel you could use the same rationale to rally against some really cool characters.
Take The Wire. Without seeing it, you could ask, why is this gay black guy a criminal? I'm afraid this will reinforce stereotypes.
Now imagine they had caved, and made him a white straight dude. You'd have robbed us of Omar Little, one of my favorite fictional characters
Wait until you get some context. Are you that desperate to be first in the outrage line?
oh really? like what
It's an image of a white man in an elevated position and someone of an ethnic group outside of his race being forcibly made to kneel. He's being used as an armrest. He is basically being reduced to furniture. That's less than human. It's the final step in degrading any race.
Doesn't matter if that's the villain or the protagonist of the game - it's highly racially charged imagery.
That's a fact. If you can't see it, it's because you're choosing to not do so. Using that as your cover for a big-blockbuster action-game is beyond insensitive.
I'm not white, and it isn't racist. Guess that makes me the 10%.
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Sorry, but isn't that kind of like... just what bad guys do?
It's an image of a white man in an elevated position and someone of an ethnic group outside of his race being forcibly made to kneel. He's being used as an armrest. He is basically being reduced to furniture. That's less than human. It's the final step in degrading any race.
Doesn't matter if that's the villain or the protagonist of the game - it's highly racially charged imagery.
That's a fact. If you can't see it, it's because you're choosing to not do so. Using that as your cover for a big-blockbuster action-game is beyond insensitive.
What an embarrassing OP.
It's not about being a "White Savior", it's about being an outsider with a different perspective, minus the baggage of whatever ethnic group it is being "infiltrated and saved". If there were more Black/Hispanic/Gay/Asian/Arab/whatever people writing, directing, and producing these games, there would be less "White Savior" and more something else.
Lawrence of Arabia actually is 100% real, and the movie follows the historical events extremely well. It's pretty much a quick history lesson.
Thats a true story for christ sake, i'm pretty sure some of the others are as well. And so what anyway, can we not have white men as the 'hero' anymore?.
It is common and totally capable of producing great works. Just like the people offended by rape and revenge tropes can't deny the fantastic films and episodes of television that come from it. This is ignoring the fact that, you know, the real-world existence of people like Lawrence complicates offense (though his relevance is overblown).
yup, asking questions is only goodThese are the questions being asked. I think it's refreshing we as a society (even a niche society like this one) are finally challenging this stuff we've taken for granted for thirty or so years.
Your handle is a little too on the nose.
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I remember when games were fun
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It's extremely disingenuous to lump together the legitimate issues with the click bait.
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I saw the cover and thought it was the main bad guy and the guy kneeling was just one of his henchmen or something.
I see the Gimp scene from Pulp Fiction:
The explanation by the writer was probably among the craziest fucking things I've ever heard.
Yeah I mentioned that in one of my previous posts. That's the only thing that gets me worried about this game. The interview he did was bananas.
It's an image of a white man in an elevated position and someone of an ethnic group outside of his race being forcibly made to kneel. He's being used as an armrest. He is basically being reduced to furniture. That's less than human. It's the final step in degrading any race.
Doesn't matter if that's the villain or the protagonist of the game - it's highly racially charged imagery.
That's a fact. If you can't see it, it's because you're choosing to not do so. Using that as your cover for a big-blockbuster action-game is beyond insensitive.
Absolutely. I just didn't see many questions being posed in this OP.These are the questions being asked. I think it's refreshing we as a society (even a niche society like this one) are finally challenging this stuff we've taken for granted for thirty or so years.
Right. Because talking about issues of minority representation in gaming is not acceptable right? (On whether or not these issues have relevance is another topic).
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The antagonist is a well dressed Japanese suprematist?
Sign me up
What was his explanation?
Something racial isn't inherently racist. But that's not the right question. You should be asking any imagery that can in any way possibly be construed as racist, will it? Yes, it will. Because that's the unavoidable schema of the people interpreting that work. Whether it's deliberate or an subconscious product of the creator(s). Irrelevant details become relevant. Fiction becomes mired in fact. And heaven forbid you do something racially controversial intentionally, you'd better not be white.I'm not disagreeing, but I do have a question: does that mean, to you, that all racially charged imagery is inherently racist?
no hes a white dude. cause some outraged people assume so.
get it together!
I'm not disagreeing, but I do have a question: does that mean, to you, that all racially charged imagery is inherently racist?
But male on male rape IS especially villainous....
What if the game is a critique of colonialism? You'd need a colonialist villain, right?
Not at all. Racism is like any topic - when broached and dealt with well, it should absolutely be in the public discourse. I just have no faith in Ubi to do so considering that the writer for FC3 dropped the ball massively trying to do that. I know it's a different team but their work across board is hardly the epitome of racial deftness.
I think it's in poor taste to use such imagery to try and sell a game. Being intentionally controversial (or, more likely in this case, just unintentionally insensitive) hardly adds anything to just such a discussion. It's a cheap tactic.
No more so than male on female though. Presuming it's worse when it happens to a guy is really, really, really troubling.