The game industry seems to have more of the awkward types, and less women and other minorities in general. The only situation I can see being worst is an occupation where a group of guys are stuck together for months at a time without having contact with people period so you end up with a "what happens on the trip stays there," situation with guys hooking up with each other to combat loneliness.
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Female Game Dev Harrassed by IndieStatik founder Josh Mattingly Speaks Up (Kotaku)
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The game industry seems to have more of the awkward types, and less women and other minorities in general. The only situation I can see being worst is an occupation where a group of guys are stuck together for months at a time without having contact with people period so you end up with a "what happens on the trip stays there," situation with guys hooking up with each other to combat loneliness.
Being a topic kotaku loves due to hits, I expect them to get all they can out of it.
OrangeJulius
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wat
It's not particularly one sided, considering Josh Mattingly has already apologized for it publicly. What other side are you looking for?
la flama blanca
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Is this meant for the dream log OT?
Yeah, I was kinda realizing that his stance was misguided and naive but that comment about the signal raised it to straight up callousness and apathy. This one is good too.
There is a screencap of the conversation with timelogs, pictures of the guy attached to the convo, an apology from the guy, his co-workers saying he will step down, the victim contextualizing the abuse, what piece of evidence is missing so this story is worthy of being called "unbiased" to you?
I think ignoring him until he stops would probably burn a bridge too. I would have laughed so hard if I was her (I think... I'm not a women soooo idk). But yeah, telling him to fuck off would have damaged her career. So she made the best of her situation
nice work! I would have gone even further and go public with my name and everything to drum up PR.Trust me when I say it does happen. When you take a group of men, cut them off from people and women, some of them are gonna fuck and hold each other.
Circle Jerk
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what the fuck does that have to do with anything
OrangeJulius
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lol, exactly.
Is it story time, charsace?
weemadarthur
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May i ask, why are you so invested in making his actions okay, that you will attempt to make her actions NOT okay?
Just pointing out how backed up men in the game industry have been coming off recently. Every woman in the industry seems to have a stories (not just one nope) where something profoundly awkward and stupid happens because someone caught a whiff of them and got a half chub in their pants.
Not today or at least not in such a public forum.
Swauny Jones
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It's obvious he's just sorry he got caught. It would be nice if she had an older brother or something that decided to take things into his own hands and teach the perv a lesson
OrangeJulius
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Yes, because putting him in a headlock and giving him a noogie until mom breaks it up will teach him to not treat women inappropriately....
She doesn't wanna lose that contact though
trust him. he's an expert
Oh man, are we going to get into game reviewer shipping now? It's this how far we've gotten?
AngryJoe x Yahtzee OTP.
Swauny Jones
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Yeah I was thinking of something a bit more severe. If someone tried that to my sister I would definitely put the fear of god into the sucker.
Honestly I think this is the best response to Mario brushing this story off as not indicative of systematic problems within the video game industry just because sexual harassment exists in other business industries.
Of course it exists in other industries, because like charsace mentioned, if it didn't men would just fuck and hold each other.
Nah, I wouldn't want people being scared of doing such things just because a man is going to physically punish them for making the mistake of choosing a victim who was protected by a brother, boyfriend, father, male figure.
Swauny Jones
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She lost it the moment she posted the convo so it doesn't matter at this point.
Swauny Jones
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What a ridiculous interpretation of my comment. The previous poster made a snarky comment as if people going through difficult time and experiencing emotional distress aren't prompted to make poor decisions they wouldn't otherwise make. Nothing in that says anything about the appropriateness of EITHER parties behavior.
OrangeJulius
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Even still, all joking aside, physical violence is rarely ever an effective solution to this sort of behavior.
Morrigan Stark
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Because then they'll just go after women who don't have boyfriends, brothers or male figures to "protect" them... it's a bad incentive. Much like, you teach kids to do the right thing for moral reasons, not because "you'll be spanked if you don't".
Joke post? Joke post.
Rimon-hanit
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I'm not questionin the existence of a conversation that obviously happened nor am I defending a guy whose comments I find disgusting am just saying I wish we had more information to show this is an on going behavior. Now people are already blaming me of defending a guy who's behavior I find appalling so I'm out.
Devolution
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You know they wont.
Swauny Jones
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Some family members can't help but not let stuff like this slide. Threaten him in just the right way and I'm sure he'd have changed his tune pretty quickly...
I see, I guess I was reading that wrong. But...
I mean, no. Setting behavioral triggers and how they're shaped aside, the idea the authorities catching or stopping you should be enough incentive to not commit a crime, much in the same way that messing with a girl who has a burly older brother should be enough incentive to not mess around with a girl's feelings. Sure, it would be great if everyone simply operated on the moral implications of their actions, but they don't. There are bad people out there and the idea of repercussions should be enough to deter them from committing a crime against someone.
But that's not the way it is either, for a bevy of reasons.
It's only a matter of time before Jim Sterling ends up as someone's Waifu.
Honestly I've never heard of IndieStatik until about a week ago, and I consider myself pretty well into indie games.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Would you do the same for your brother if he was the target of unwanted sexual advances of an unattractive woman?
she looks hella uncomfortable, weirded out, and doesnt even want him to touch her in the video. super weird
Because what people learn then isn't that what they're doing is wrong, but that they should target women who aren't connected to some male protective force. We should be teaching people to not act this way because of human dignity. Not because women "belong" in some way to a dude who's going to beat them up for it.
The judicial system doesn't work that way, last time I checked.
But what do I know? I don't have a brother, boyfriend, or father anywhere near me so no guy is going to to think twice about doing shitty things to me because he's afraid of them. I'd rather he stay away because he thinks of me as a person deserving of respect.
What's so funny?
OrangeJulius
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Dude, no, just no. Behavior like this in adults is usually very ingrained and stemming from other psychological issues.
It's not as simple as saying he is just a horny perv that needs his ass kicked for him to straighten up and fly right. It really sells the issue at hand short.
Swauny Jones
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What does that have to do with anything? It's different for a woman as it is for a man. These things lead to more serious things for women down the road. And in all honesty if someone was harassing my brothers like this I'm sure my sis would more then put that woman in check...
I know. But it still feels good to call out all the idiots from the last thread. Especially Jaffe.
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