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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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every now and then ill catch Fox News coverage and its absolutely unreal how that channel covers this situation. its so biased nd falsely presented with half truths and a slant. i really dont understand who watches Fox News for correct information.
 
cartoon_soldier said:
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I'm surprised a tear gas canister wasn't shot into the bus for that blantant act of disobedience.
 
Wow, can't believe that #OfficerGoFuckYourself video. Theyre just waving those guns around wherever they want now, threatening to kill people over nothing? Lovely show boys, truly a class act.
 
MattyG344 said:
Wow, can't believe that #OfficerGoFuckYourself video. Theyre just waving those guns around wherever they want now, threatening to kill people over nothing? Lovely show boys, truly a class act.
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I'm in no way justifying the actions of this guy or any other law enforcement behaving like that, but considering the governor has officially declared a state of emergency, they are liable to get away with that sort of thing. The laws "on the ground" (as they like to say) change when a state of emergency has be declared. You essentially have martial law.
 
Cat said:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_a2893384-0bcf-51a9-b479-9c7e9496c6a1.html
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The grand jury isn't supposed to decide guilt or innocence, they're just supposed to determine whether or not probable cause exists to support an indictment. In my opinion, there's clearly enough evidence to support an indictment based upon what we have so far. There is no clearly exculpable evidence, such as a video, showing Wilson's innocence, so even though the officer's account differs from the four other witnesses, an indictment should be true-billed. Whether or not the eye witnesses are more credible than the officers is the job of the petit jury at trial.
 
CesspoolofHatred said:
From what I could tell, they're not gang members, just citizens of Ferguson dressed up for protesting. The town has a 70% African American population.

You shouldn't really assume they're gang members, actually. That does sort of roll into the "they're thugs" mentality that we should be working to fix.

And for the record, yeah, that's real. They were on the VICE stream a few days back protecting the stores from looters.
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Thank you. Was going to say the same. Just regular guys. Nothing to indicate they're thugs or gang members unless one is stereotyping.
 
NewEraBlood said:
The amount of undertrained, overweight, wannabe bullies Ferguson employs seems to be disproportionate to the average population.

You know how you deescalate a situation? A strong but non-threatening demeanor and approaching people like they're humans. If anyone in my unit had behaved like this in Iraq they would have been put on permanent shit detail to keep us and the local population safe. 99% of the time the best thing you can do when there is an angry group of civilians is approach them at the low ready and engage them in a professional tone about what is and is not acceptable in the current situation.

Of course, I say all this with the idea that peacefully protesting(no matter if it's wasted on a thug) or filming are acceptable, which these police seem to disagree with me about.



Well like other gods, yours is imaginary. Hateful bullshit like this is what is wrong with our country. Just because you don't like someone or the way they think doesn't mean you should rejoice at their death. You are what is called a shitty person.
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suprised no ones called you out on that.

CesspoolofHatred said:
From what I could tell, they're not gang members, just citizens of Ferguson dressed up for protesting. The town has a 70% African American population.

You shouldn't really assume they're gang members, actually. That does sort of roll into the "they're thugs" mentality that we should be working to fix.
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dude, more than two black people = gang.

block tower said:
every now and then ill catch Fox News coverage and its absolutely unreal how that channel covers this situation. its so biased nd falsely presented with half truths and a slant. i really dont understand who watches Fox News for correct information.
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they dont watch it for correct information, they watch it because it tells them what they want to hear. Though, they also happen to think they are being presented with correct information.
 
Why can't the police actually "police" the bad apples from the bunch without treating all of the protesters like animals? Shouldn't there job be to make sure there are peaceful protests? Or do they want no protesting at all?
 
mre said:
The grand jury isn't supposed to decide guilt or innocence, they're just supposed to determine whether or not probable cause exists to support an indictment. In my opinion, there's clearly enough evidence to support an indictment based upon what we have so far. There is no clearly exculpable evidence, such as a video, showing Wilson's innocence, so even though the officer's account differs from the four other witnesses, an indictment should be true-billed. Whether or not the eye witnesses are more credible than the officers is the job of the petit jury at trial.
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Your presence in this thread has been great. Just wanted to say thanks.
 
xnipx said:
Why can't the police actually "police" the bad apples from the bunch without treating all of the protesters like animals? Shouldn't there job be to make sure there are peaceful protests? Or do they want no protesting at all?
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They're incompetent, hateful, and scared.
 
xnipx said:
Why can't the police actually "police" the bad apples from the bunch without treating all of the protesters like animals? Shouldn't there job be to make sure there are peaceful protests? Or do they want no protesting at all?
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They don't really care. Its clear from the PD's actions that they see pretty much everyone out there as the enemy. A group that genuinely sees Ferguson as a community that they want to protect wouldn't bust out LRADs and tear gas because one asshole decides to throw a water bottle.
 
TheOddOne said:
- Root: What They Saw: 5 Eyewitnesses to the Michael Brown Shooting

Depressing :(
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I hadn't read about this one before
5. The man who spoke to Brown right before he left for the convenience store:

Approximately 25 minutes later, the man heard gunfire and looked up and saw a man, who he didn’t know at the time was Brown, “staggering and running.”

The man said that Brown put his hands up and started screaming, “OK! OK! OK! OK! OK!” The witness claims that the police officer didn’t tell Brown to get on the ground or anything.

“He just started shooting,” the man continued, estimating that the officer shot Brown six or seven times after he turned around to seemingly surrender. “There’s no way you can justify it.”
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Gaz_RB said:
We were talking about it yesterday, ill find the source in a sec
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That Shaun King guy? It seems like he's a nobody. Not even worth treating it like a rumor and "if it turns out to be true" type consideration.
 
Yeah that's where I had last heard it, which is why I said supposedly.

But that is Wilson's version of events, and I think he is going to be testifying at the grand jury.
 
Gaz_RB said:
Yeah that's where I had last heard it, which is why I said supposedly.

But that is Wilson's version of events, and I think he is going to be testifying at the grand jury.
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That hardly means he will be the only one testifying in front of the grand jury.
 
My question is how is it that you still have people defending the officers in Ferguson when time and time again they show that they care nothing about the law and only a display of power.

It's not that hard to imagine that Darren killed MB in cold blood when we see exactly how his brothers in blue treat even journalists let alone a black man.
 
Eric Holder said:
Since the Aug. 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, the nation and the world have witnessed the unrest that has gripped Ferguson, Mo. At the core of these demonstrations is a demand for answers about the circumstances of this young man’s death and a broader concern about the state of our criminal justice system.
At a time when so much may seem uncertain, the people of Ferguson can have confidence that the Justice Department intends to learn — in a fair and thorough manner — exactly what happened.

Today, I will be in Ferguson to be briefed on the federal civil rights investigation that I have closely monitored since I launched it more than one week ago. I will meet personally with community leaders, FBI investigators and federal prosecutors from the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney’s Office to receive detailed briefings on the status of this case.

The full resources of the Department of Justice have been committed to the investigation into Michael Brown’s death. This inquiry will take time to complete, but we have already taken significant steps. Approximately 40 FBI agents and some of the Civil Rights Division’s most experienced prosecutors have been deployed to lead this process, with the assistance of the United States Attorney in St. Louis. Hundreds of people have already been interviewed in connection with this matter. On Monday, at my direction, a team of federal medical examiners conducted an independent autopsy.

We understand the need for an independent investigation, and we hope that the independence and thoroughness of our investigation will bring some measure of calm to the tensions in Ferguson. In order to begin the healing process, however, we must first see an end to the acts of violence in the streets of Ferguson. Although these acts have been committed by a very small minority — and, in many cases, by individuals from outside Ferguson — they seriously undermine, rather than advance, the cause of justice. And they interrupt the deeper conversation that the legitimate demonstrators are trying to advance.

The Justice Department will defend the right of protesters to peacefully demonstrate and for the media to cover a story that must be told. But violence cannot be condoned. I urge the citizens of Ferguson who have been peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights to join with law enforcement in condemning the actions of looters, vandals and others seeking to inflame tensions and sow discord.

Law enforcement has a role to play in reducing tensions, as well. As the brother of a retired law enforcement officer, I know firsthand that our men and women in uniform perform their duties in the face of tremendous threats and significant personal risk. They put their lives on the line every day, and they often have to make split-second decisions.

At the same time, good law enforcement requires forging bonds of trust between the police and the public. This trust is all-important, but it is also fragile. It requires that force be used in appropriate ways. Enforcement priorities and arrest patterns must not lead to disparate treatment under the law, even if such treatment is unintended. And police forces should reflect the diversity of the communities they serve.

Over the years, we have made significant progress in ensuring that this is the case. But progress is not an endpoint; it is a measure of effort and of commitment. Constructive dialogue should continue — but it must also be converted into concrete action. And it is painfully clear, in cities and circumstances across our great nation, that more progress, more dialogue, and more action is needed.

This is my pledge to the people of Ferguson: Our investigation into this matter will be full, it will be fair, and it will be independent. And beyond the investigation itself, we will work with the police, civil rights leaders, and members of the public to ensure that this tragedy can give rise to new understanding — and robust action — aimed at bridging persistent gaps between law enforcement officials and the communities we serve. Long after the events of Aug. 9 have receded from the headlines, the Justice Department will continue to stand with this community.

As we move forward together, I ask for the public’s cooperation and patience. And I urge anyone with information related to the shooting to contact the FBI by dialing 800-CALL-FBI, option 4.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/article_ea8b7358-67a3-5187-af8c-169567f27a0d.html
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
My question is how is it that you still have people defending the officers in Ferguson when time and time again they show that they care nothing about the law and only a display of power.

It's not that hard to imagine that Darren killed MB in cold blood when we see exactly how his brothers in blue treat even journalists let alone a black man.
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Im on the brown side given the witness testimony we have heard but I don't see how that's relevant at all to this individual case since Wilson is not on patrol. It's just as bad as saying Michael Brown grabbed a guy by the neck so it's easy to see him attacking a cop. It's just not relevant.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned on here, and its obviously not the same circumstance, but it sounds like a careless cop killed an innocent bystander in Orlando.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...bar-shooting-orlando-20140820,0,3712336.story

In a nutshell:

Drunk suspect waiving around a gun late after being kicked out of a club.

Cops called, situation escalates. Cop fires 9 times, injuring suspect and killing innocent bystander. Edit: Also may have shot an injured another cop. They aren't confirming that yet, but not sure how else the other cop was shot if the suspects gun was not loaded.

Ends up suspects gun wasn't even loaded.
 
Mr.Awesome said:
Im on the brown side given the witness testimony we have heard but I don't see how that's relevant at all to this individual case since Wilson is not on patrol. It's just as bad as saying Michael Brown grabbed a guy by the neck so it's easy to see him attacking a cop. It's just not relevant.
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I don't think it's the same at all.
 
ahoyle77 said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned on here, and its obviously not the same circumstance, but it sounds like a careless cop killed an innocent bystander in Orlando.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...bar-shooting-orlando-20140820,0,3712336.story

In a nutshell:

Drunk suspect waiving around a gun late after being kicked out of a club.

Cops called, situation escalates. Cop fires 9 times, injuring suspect and killing innocent bystander.

Ends up suspects gun wasn't even loaded.
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"In the end, all cops deserve to go home at night, but not all people standing around cops deserve to go home at night."
 
I posted this in the LAPD thread about justice being served


I wonder how this fills into the "do what we say and youll be ok" narrative and the "let the justice system work things out"

2012:
-Cops pull over National Guardsmen for cutting them off accidentally
-Cops react with road rage
-Ambush car with guns drawn
-Tell driver to put hands up
-Shoot him dead before he can do so

2014:
-No criminal charges
-Fellow cops upset that cop MIGHT face internal discipline

Articles:

2012
A New York police detective shot and killed an unarmed man, whose hands, a witness said, were on the steering wheel of his Honda, after he had been pulled over early Thursday for cutting off two police trucks on the Grand Central Parkway in Queens, the authorities said.

A passenger in Mr. Polanco’s car, Diane Deferrari, said in a phone interview Thursday night that just before pulling the car over, officers appeared irate that Mr. Polanco had cut them off. She said that one of the officers — but not Detective Hamdy — stuck up his middle finger and was screaming obscenities from one of the moving police trucks.

“As soon as we stopped — they were rushing the car,” Ms. Deferrari said. “It was like an army.”

She said a group of officers swarmed the car, yelling for the three people in Mr. Polanco’s car to put their hands up. Mr. Polanco, whose hands were still on the steering wheel, had no time to comply, Ms. Deferrari said. At that instant, a shot rang out, and Mr. Polanco gasped for air, she said.

Officers then dragged Mr. Polanco from the car and onto the highway, where traffic was snarled, as early-morning commuters slowed to look, she said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/n...iver-on-a-parkway-in-queens.html?ref=nyregion

2014 follow up

The NYPD detective who shot and killed unarmed National Guardsman Noel Polanco during a car stop has been hit with a departmental charge in connection with the death, DNAinfo New York has learned.

Detective Hassan Hamdy, 40, was charged late Thursday with a single count: “failure to employ proper tactics that caused a civilian’s death,” according to sources.

There was no explanation what the proper tactics should have been, the sources said. If found guilty, the charge could lead to Hamdy's dismissal from the NYPD.

A Queens grand jury declined to indict Hamdy, a 15-year veteran and former U.S. Marine, of any criminal wrongdoing last year.

Hamdy told the grand jury he feared Polanco was reaching for a weapon. He said he fired in self defense and the grand jury declined to indict him.
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The cherry on top


The NYPD's decision to file charges stunned Hamdy's colleagues.

“The detective acted in good faith and was not indicted and I don’t know what he could have done differently once the car stop was made,” one official said.

"These officers did not violate any department guidelines," the source insisted.
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http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...l-guardsman-noel-polanco-hit-with-nypd-charge

WAIT THERE ARE MORE CHERRIES

The unarmed Army National Guardsman who was shot and killed by cops during a car stop on the Grand Central Parkway dreamed of becoming a cop after he left the military, his devastated mom said Friday.

“He wanted to become a cop," she said as she choked back tears. "He wanted to go and be active [in the military] and after he came back out, he wanted that as a career.

Polanco also agreed to give a ride to Vanessa Rodriguez, an off-duty cop who he knew from his apartment complex in Lefrak City.
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http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...led-by-nypd-queens-wanted-become-cop-mom-says

OMG theres more

The off-duty officer who was riding with Polanco in his 2012 Honda Fit, Rodriguez, has been on modified duty — meaning that she was stripped of her gun and badge — for allegedly stealing a sweater from an H&M store in Queens.
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Bad apples, etc.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
My question is how is it that you still have people defending the officers in Ferguson when time and time again they show that they care nothing about the law and only a display of power.

It's not that hard to imagine that Darren killed MB in cold blood when we see exactly how his brothers in blue treat even journalists let alone a black man.
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Because the protestors are black.

edit: aside from that, some people just have hardons for authority. Remember Occupy Wall Street and how many people cheered on the cops clearing them out?
 
ahoyle77 said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned on here, and its obviously not the same circumstance, but it sounds like a careless cop killed an innocent bystander in Orlando.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...bar-shooting-orlando-20140820,0,3712336.story

In a nutshell:

Drunk suspect waiving around a gun late after being kicked out of a club.

Cops called, situation escalates. Cop fires 9 times, injuring suspect and killing innocent bystander. Edit: Also may have shot an injured another cop. They aren't confirming that yet, but not sure how else the other cop was shot if the suspects gun was not loaded.

Ends up suspects gun wasn't even loaded.
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So what should cops do to subdue an belligerent drunk waving a gun around?

I'd blame the gun laws that allow people to have handguns in the first place, not the cops.
 
sphagnum said:
Because the protestors are black.

edit: aside from that, some people just have hardons for authority. Remember Occupy Wall Street and how many people cheered on the cops clearing them out?
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I wonder how many people in this thread being distressed about the police response were complaining that the occupy hippies should get a job.

Ignatz Mouse said:
So what should cops do to subdue an belligerent drunk waving a gun around?
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They can start by not shooting innocent people standing in the area, including other cops.
 
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