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I wish FIFA had just ignored it, the people who've pushed the poppy into being a political symbol will love being outraged about this.
There are people, Irish player James McClean for example, who view the poppy as a symbol of support for all of the British military operations. In McClean's case he doesn't want to have to wear something during club games that can be taken as a symbol of support for the British occupation of Ireland and the deaths that came from that.
Both FIFA and the FA's both did what they had to do.
FIFA don't want to be in a situation where they're deciding what is and isn't political, and the FA's shouldn't let a fine stand in the way of doing the right thing.
A symbolic fine, with no points penalty, was the best way of getting this resolved.
But fuck FIFA
Following Wales' 1-1 draw at home to Serbia the next day, Fifa opened disciplinary proceedings looking at "fans in the stands wearing the poppy" and the presence of "a member of the armed forces holding a bunch of poppies at the exit of the tunnel", according to the Football Association of Wales (FAW).
Russia 2020 and Quatar 2024 = FIFA in a nutshell
Yep.
Although I read on the BBC this ban also applies to fans? Is FIFA also going to fine associations when their fans are wearing poppies or singing YNWA?
Wouldn't surprise me though. FIFA charged Manchester City after their fans booed the Champions League anthem.
Fuck FIFA.
You sure that wasn't UEFA?
I didn't realise the poppy was a political symbol... we wear them in Canada too.
It's not. It doesn't represent nationalism, glorify the military or show support for illegal wars no matter how much people here want to think that.
Oh you're right of course.
Anyway fuck them as well.
You don't get to decide what other people think a symbol represents!
Seriously. Especially in the current climate when the poppy is *absolutely* used by the Sun and the Daily Mail for exactly that purpose, and used to hound anyone who doesn't wear it.
I didn't decide. the symbol has been around for nearly 100 years. It means what it means.
It's not.
In the stadium and on the pitch, there is only room for sport, nothing else.
What political party does the poppy represent?
I didn't decide. the symbol has been around for nearly 100 years. It means what it means.
just because some shitrag like the sun want to put it on their paper doesn't change that.
You know what it means to *you*.
That's the thing about symbols. They mean different things to different people. For example, to me the Union Jack is a flag I like and am proud of - for me it represents the best part of our country (the different nations coming together).
But to right wing nationalists it means something else.
And to people in Africa, or many other places across the globe, it's means something extremely wrong and evil.
I don't get to tell them they are wrong for how they see my symbol. That's just how symbols work.
It is a political symbol so I don't see the problem. They don't want to start a precedent by making an exception.
The clubs could have just worn a black arm band or something.
I didn't decide. the symbol has been around for nearly 100 years. It means what it means.
just because some shitrag like the sun want to put it on their paper doesn't change that.
How dare we remember the fallen.
How dare we.
The Northern Irish/Welsh teams did this but they still got fined, though I suppose FIFA wanted to rule it out altogether.
As bad as FIFA is, I don't think they were 100% in the wrong for banning the poppy.
What political party does the poppy represent?
I still don't understand why a jersey commemorating the Irish struggle for independence has led to the FAI being fined too. It only happened because some DUP dope up north started a game of whataboutism.
Writing in the Daily Mail earlier this week, the widely respected Martin Samuel nailed the issue. His words are worthy of repetition, particularly given the media outlet that they appeared in.
“FIFA consider this a political gesture, a stance that in turn outrages those who feel it is vitally important that football — more than any other industry, apparently — remembers the dead of two world wars,” Samuel wrote.
“Except poppies are no longer just about those wars. They commemorate other, less popular conflicts, too. What if England were playing Argentina, Ireland or a country from the Middle East?
In actuality, FIFA were merely implementing their own rules. “FIFA has 208 Member Associations and the same regulations are applied globally, and uniformly, in the event of similar requests by other nations to commemorate historical events,” it said in a statement.
On both sides there is intransigence and on both sides there is an aghast reaction to the opposition questioning either their logic or their motives. For those of us in the increasingly squeezed middle, those who believe in the individual's right to solemn contemplation and remembrance but also believe in the individual's right not to participate in such acts, the whole sorry saga is as dispiriting as it should have been avoidable and we are left with opportunist politicians, national newspapers and national associations using the issue to grandstand and divide.
We are remembering ALL the fallen.you are remembering YOUR fallen,
We are remembering ALL the fallen.
We are remembering ALL the fallen.
We are remembering ALL the fallen.
We are remembering ALL the fallen.