Seasoned Badger
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So levelup have written consent for all the games they showcase on their stream?
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So levelup have written consent for all the games they showcase on their stream?
Beats talking about OBS
True dat.
Yeah, lots of people play licensed materials on their streams all the time (music?) so no idea.
Stabby McSter
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I would assume so, Valle has been pretty good when reaching out to publishers.
Ragingnight
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don't think its game related. I do know certain members of the FGC do stream anime that is license and would be bannable on twitch.
MiniBossBattle
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DSP to save the FGC?
i have to agree. Even the arizona streams (hazmat?) and San Diego (I watch mostly for Viscant and DiosX) are mildly entertaining but even I can only handle so much streaming.
Find it hard to believe that Spooky and LevelUp don't have other revenue streams to sustain their business.
Ragingnight
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SixMachine
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The EG fighting game team probably gets the most exposure on their streams running Final Fantasy and Horror games.
Besides Evo, FinestKO gets biggest when Coopa's streaming random stuff.
Nobody watches The King of Fighters XIII or even Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3.
Rock of Ages was incredible.
Money seems to attract more players when it's used to enhance the venue like with extra stuff to do after getting knocked out, panels, or a whole theme/atmosphere thing thing. Only 1% is going to win money back, you need to get that 99% to feel like it's worth coming and staying for the weekend.
I think the making them more convention like will the path events take.
I think the making them more convention like will the path events take.
Yeah this. Kinda discouraging to go to a tournament know you won't make it in the money and when you actually lose you have nothing else to do but sit back and watch matches.
irfaanator
Banned
I think the right way to go w/ monetization is the way gootecks and cross counter were doing it. Set up some sort of interviews/tutorials/exhibitions that can be sold to people that are interested
Seasoned Badger
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Locking knowledge behind paywalls is the worst thing a person can do to the FGC, they should be made with the intention to grow their community not bleed it dry. Especially when the FGC is so small and is struggling to attract new players.
Are you not aware of the whole Cross Counter/Capcom fiasco? Gootecks said that method was what did them in.
I think it can definitely work in the US FGC. It probably won't work with the tournaments we have now but if something like Topanga league was setup, it could be amazing. Have a handful of top AE and UMvC3 players go at it in long sets.
I also think Japan has a stronger or more competitive AE scene than the US which helps attract more viewers. A recent Japanese tournament had almost 300 entries and it was only a team tournament.
Justin got a lot of viewers when he streamed the Naruto CPU tourney, it was pretty hype.
Ragingnight
Member
I think its fair when you
1) have to pay fubar for translation
2) fly tokido and do multiple shoots
3) pay your crew compensation as well since CC is a team of like 4-6 people.
I think its quite fair to ask for some money in regards to that.
Nope. PandaX does it for free all the time and the stream barely makes it near 1k viewers on a good day. If people aren't interested despite it being free, there is no way they will be if it were an actual PPV. Even when PJ started it way in the beginning when it was at it's peak the numbers are nowhere near Topanga numbers. Thing is, couple of years ago SFIV was pretty much the only fighting game in the spotlight. Now you have near a dozen so the interest is divided amongst each game.
And internationals get so many viewers and interest because they don't have their own streams and such so exposure is very minimal.
call_kotaku
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And they wouldn't have made enough of it back, even without the Capcom banhammer.
Passive Assassin
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man twisted metal 2 was a fun game.
irfaanator
Banned
I mean how much knowledge would be locked out? Look at what youtube did to sf4 compared to earlier street fighter games with learning about the game. I doubt there would be a severe lack of knowledge compared to know that would bar newer players from entering. Yea maybe advance tactics that tokido/infiltration/other top players do would be locked out, but they might not want anybody learning that stuff anyways. I think youtube/shows like ultrachen/free streams of events would counter that pretty quickly.
Yea I know, but what happened can be used as knowledge for the future, and that was specifically towards tutorials. If capcom/bradygames are still are not up for tutorials, there are other options I mentioned like interviews/exhibitions.
Overall I feel like the best way is to do it like the compendium. Extra things that improve the experience of the stream/game but aren't really necessary. Thats just my opinion
Passive Assassin
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aris read sun tzu's the art of war. apparently atp is atp book club now.
That's because no one would pay to watch mid level players play online.
If there was an event that featured the best marvel players going at in a FT10, I believe there would be a lot of people watching it. Majors like CEO and Final Round typically get 20-30000 viewers. However, if there were only 1000 viewers who paid $5 I imagine that would be much more profitable for the streamer. I don't know the typical ad rate for twitch but can a broadcaster generate $5000 off of 30,000 viewers? That number would be much lower given that a lot of people use ad block or live in different countries.
I think it can work. What if CEO 2013 charged a fee to watch fightermania? Those subscribers could have access to HD quality, no ads, exhibitions and fancy chat stuff for the entire 3 day event.
Passive Assassin
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aris discovers smartphone technology.
EarlyEarly
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Axel>>>>>>>>
Passive Assassin
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i liked warthog more. and that stage with the magnetic lift.
And looks like there's shadow loo quals at super arcade sat enzo. 5 pm pst.
these new canada cup trailers ...
Is he talking about Salty Bets? I think he plays licensed music and you know Mugen is crazy
QuikZilver
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Make it 50 and we have a deal.
Passive Assassin
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$15k for the 5v5 at canada cup? holy shit. and nobody signed up. damn. ahhh. they're not flying anyone out except for ccg people. fgc broke confirmed!
Ragingnight
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no way he is talking about mugen. He mentioned sponsors, and I doubt salty is trying to get sponsors (and if so for what?)
Lost Fragment
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I would like to see someone experiment with doing actual PPVs just to see how it goes, but at the end of the day I don't think it would work at all on the American side of things. It does well in Japan because of a lot of different factors that don't apply here. Mostly because nothing is free in Japan and that's a deeply ingrained part of their culture.
I'm bored of all the "how can we get more money in the FGC?" talk. I wish more people would talk about how the FGC can get more people out to events instead.
I'm bored of all the "how can we get more money in the FGC?" talk. I wish more people would talk about how the FGC can get more people out to events instead.
toddhunter
Member
By having better events... which can be provided by having more money.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Or better ideas that don't require much more money.
Added.
Got more information on this? A link perhaps?
Hate to break it to you but those two things are mutualistic in nature, especially considering money is a sticking point for TOs. If they can stabilize revenue streams as is, maybe they can take/fund the risks that could bring new people in en masse. Whether direct or indirect.
Passive Assassin
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just heard about it on the levelup stream. http://www.levelup-series.com/shadowloo-showdown-2013-ssf4-ae-qualifier-at-super-arcade/
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Everything is mutualistic if that's how you want to look at it.
toddhunter
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I'm open to hearing one.
Until then I'm just going to run with more money being needed. Even something as simple as wrestling belts for CEO as trophies was a good anti-collusion idea but couldn't happen.
Pot bonuses should be raffles where 1 win= 1 ticket. That might draw more people out.
Cosmo Clock 21
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Goddamn SCII HDO on WiiU is a powder keg of a subject.
CrazyTank940
Member
Well, you always have to have something that leads to a debate of where Link exactly fits on the tier list, top or bottom. Gotta start somewhere, even if it's for asking for the game on a non-confirmed platform
Now please don't have that debate here 
call_kotaku
Member
Communities with much more money don't necessarily do any better. In fact most of them do a lot worse.
I can't even think of any problems in the FGC that raw money would meaningfully fix, and at best it'll be a short-term improvement. I guess TOs and people like Markman would be able to have a better perspective on that.
toddhunter
Member
I'm not buying that, nor do I think it is particularly relevant if true. There are always lessons to learn, but somebody else screwing up and messing about doesn't mean that the FGC has to do the same thing.
For a start, we don't even have updated brackets at EVO and in general none of the 100k+ people really have an idea what is going on beyond what is presented on the stream. Why not have a proper system in place that can provide proper results? Why isn't information being pushed to players phones? Bigger venues with more space for BYO tournaments? Dedicated viewing facilities with functional internet and more things to do outside of matches.
You give somebody like Keits a million bucks to improve UFGT and I'm sure he'd come up with something that would not just be a short-term improvement. Then you put a strategic plan in place to share those benefits with every event and the wider community. Lets get a bit of positivity about what can be done, not worrying about what can't be.
KidA Seven
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call_kotaku
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The point is that large injections of cash don't really have much sway over larger systemic forces. Money is a side effect, not the driving force.
Hardly any of those things have to do with money, though. MLG has a couple times more operating budget and people still find out who knocked out who via twitter updates. Bigger venues are a problem because EVO already has the biggest ballrooms in Vegas and it wasn't big enough, so unless they graduate 3 super saiyan levels to convention centers it's still going to be a problem.
A million dollars probably won't get you as far as you think it would; TI3 I've heard cost Valve over 5 million dollars to produce, and I'm guessing the Riot stuff cost just as much if not more. And those games aren't successful because someone put 5 million dollars to produce a tournament, they have 5 million dollars to spend on a tournament because the games are successful. All the pretender MOBAs sponsor plenty of stuff too, all to no avail.
I think it's better to ignore what we can't change and just focus on stuff that we can work on. Despite what the top players and triforces of the world think, money isn't some sort of magic cure that reverses massive trends in gaming and media. I'm not opposed to trying stuff, but none of this is happening because someone didn't try something.
toddhunter
Member
I think we are both just bashing against the same points now. I'll agree money alone isn't the answer...but I still think it gives you an excellent chance of finding it
SolarPowered
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It's a FGW/GAF thing. I spent time on SRK, Dustloop and Skullheart and I've never seen the constant doom and money talk that is so prevalent in these threads. The same could be said about the OTs. They are pretty game focused.
Rice-Eater
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Seasoned Badger
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Floe plays licensed music on his stream too and he's sponsored.
something I was always curious about in regards to FGC events is that tournaments are always that... tournaments.
Why not take a major event and set it up like UFC? Head liner fight and undercards, ect.
I believe this would encourage a more stat driven approach to the FGC which would be a good thing. Seeing top players win/lose ratio, their hits landed, how many times they've come back, % of 1st hits, ect...
That kind of stuff would be great and would really allow fans to get into the nitty gritty of fights.
There isn't anything wrong w/ a tournament per say, but mixing it up, and also having a full on league in that UFC style with consistent stat tracking could be a huge + for the FGC.
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yes, this would mean ranking all players and having "champions."
edit2: not sure about divisions since weight class would be irrelevant, then again, it may just not be needed. Certainly by region though, i.e. US, EU, JP, ect
Why not take a major event and set it up like UFC? Head liner fight and undercards, ect.
I believe this would encourage a more stat driven approach to the FGC which would be a good thing. Seeing top players win/lose ratio, their hits landed, how many times they've come back, % of 1st hits, ect...
That kind of stuff would be great and would really allow fans to get into the nitty gritty of fights.
There isn't anything wrong w/ a tournament per say, but mixing it up, and also having a full on league in that UFC style with consistent stat tracking could be a huge + for the FGC.
edit:
yes, this would mean ranking all players and having "champions."
edit2: not sure about divisions since weight class would be irrelevant, then again, it may just not be needed. Certainly by region though, i.e. US, EU, JP, ect
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