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Final Fantasy composers say Final Fantasy XII Remake is coming
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vainglorious
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I bought the "collectors edition" set.
I also have the collectors set for Lightning Returns. I look at it whenever I feel like indulging in some self loathing.In the context of its more recent FF peers it makes it a very unique proposition. Having a weaker second half doesn't automatically ruin the the story as a whole.
One can say that a nonsense story from the beginning with annoying characters is "interesting" but to many people that may be worse. For example a performance of Shakespeare can boring or interesting provided it is presented in a way that is personally appealing to somebody.
The fact that I cared more for the motivations of the characters carried it further than zany plot developments.
Just the announcement I wanted to hear. Would be awesome if Matsuno was involved and they added new stuff to it. Not expecting Tactics Ogre PSP additions or anything on that scale. Something small like Chrono Trigger DS new content is good enough for me. If not, oh well. I never got around to trying the IZJS version anyway.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Just wait for the all weapons trophy to require this weapon
All weapon trophy... I would give up... Please no....Yes. They should use that money and resources on remaking a better game.
PensivePen
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Just hope they don't mess with the models too much. Touch up some of the lower resolution textures if you need but leave those faces alone.
Polygon failing at Roman Numerals.
Freyjadour
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Like what?
VIII and IX will be dependent on how VIIr goes. A XII HD Remaster ala X HD Remaster is considerably less work than just about anything else.
It's not as if someone put IXr on the table and its budget was countered with XII instead, quit being ridiculous.
Man, some of those late-game areas were grueling, I can't blame you for dropping the game at that point. You spend sooo much time just walking and fighting (or watching your party fight) at a moderately slow pace without anything in-between. No interesting cutscenes or dialogue or party interactions, plot advancement, fun detours, nothing.
The speed-up mechanic in the IZJS version is actually also one of the main reasons I'd probably be willing to give the game a second try. I remember also hearing something about added story cutscenes and bosses.
Wind Waker, a game whose original version I also wasn't too fond of because of the deliberately slow pace of sailing, became a much better and more enjoyable experience with the improvements provided by the HD remaster. I'm hoping an HD remaster of IZJS can give me a similar change of heart towards FF XII.
That's his thing. Best to ignore him and use the time on much better things.
This is why i always say FF has the worst fanbase of all time.
The hyperbolic exaggerations in defense of their favorite titles at the expense of others is just childish.
You can say you didn't personally care for 10 without saying "everyone who didn't like 12 and likes 10 are mindless teenagers with nostalgia glasses."
Either like 10's plot or hate it, i think its a pretty common complaint that the story of 12 wasn't even there for a majority of the story and it was a far more gameplay oriented title.
Whether one wants to say that the developmental issues of the game were at fault or not, 12 is not perfect, neither is 10 in other ways, but respecting each other's views on both games would go a long way toward having a more civil conversation on it in general.
The Last One
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So what you mean? That FF XII is the only one without annoying characters? Yeah, don't know from where you get that.
And the story of FF XII has it's shares of nonsense too.
Would be awesome if we got the original story now that nickbeards are more acceptable as protagonist in the industry.
theofficefan99
Junior Member
I like FFXII, but really? Ashe being a "blood thirsty" princess? How come so many people exaggerate so many aspects of XII's writing to make it sound better and more exciting than it actually is?
Alex_Mexico
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Sorry but FFXII remastered in HD will never look in the league of The Last of Us or Bloodborne. This is not subjective. It's a fact. But it is also a fact that FFXII is one of the best looking PS2 games ever so it's HD Remaster will make it look better than many PS3 games. Just not in the the Naughty God-tier.
YianGaruga
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You can't quantifiy if something looks "good". You can count polys and frames and texture sizes and particles and number of shaders, but none of that objectively measures how good something looks.
I don't think this discussion will go anywhere so I'll drop it here.
Franconstein
Neo Member
I'd wager it's a remake and not a remaster. Why? Because the game still looks great as it is. I recently booted it up again, and it's still pretty. I then emulated it on PCSX2, and I don't even feel it's an "old" game. Yeah, textures could be better, but I'm not sure it justifies a remaster. On the other hand, the story does fall off after a while, and progressions stumps out a bit, so maybe they want to fix at the same time.
Either way, I hope they plan a PC release, or I'll just miss out until there's a PS4 emulator.
Either way, I hope they plan a PC release, or I'll just miss out until there's a PS4 emulator.
I find it hard to believe this will be a remake instead of a remaster
Even though the word remake was used, those two words are used incorrectly way too often..
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Even though the word remake was used, those two words are used incorrectly way too often..
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Sammy Samusu
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They fixed the title but not the URL, lol.
polygon.com/2015/8/2/9086777/final-fantasy-7-remake-remaster-HD-ps4-xbox-one
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Amen.
I love the FF fan base because everyone has different experiences and opinions and we can discuss why we like some games more than others. I HATE it when it's just proclamations like "This FF is better than all others, all others are poop" without any real discussion. Drive-by X game is better than Y, you are wrong for liking game Y.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
All I need is FF12 from the PS2 with AA and 60fps.
from this...
to this...
Sweet! .....on second thoughts maybe give us a more user friendly map but seriously this game doesn't need much doing to it.
You can bet your bottom dollar that the textures are going to see a considerable upgrade over the 2nd pic, and there's still tons of jaggies in the background.
FFX on Emulator and FFX HD look drastically different. HD annihilates it in almost every aspect.
Mufti Nabiyu Erin
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She spends 3/4ths of the game building an army to get revenge, and almost sells her soul to a junta of crackpot Gods to get it. She's pretty blood-thirsty, though the game doesn't portray it in a simplistic way befitting a video game caricature, so that aspect of her personality flies right over a lot of people's heads. Maybe if she acted like Kefka, then people might pick up on it.
vainglorious
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How is she not? She faked her own suicide to incite rebellion (with little chance of succeeding) in her own people against Archadia. She's ruthless.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
You don't know squat about what you're talking about. You have obviously looked at a minority of gamers who do this and apply it to the whole. I could do that to any video game series out there and I would be wrong. Those accusations you made do not apply to the FF community on this site, Eyes on FF, FF Net, FF-XIII.net, or the fan groups on Deviantart.
That's the argument in the opposite though. If you saying its a remake, and the original already looks good, why need a remake?
The Last One
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I'm really looking foward to this too. I'm sure they will make textures better like they did with FF X.
I can totally agree with this. While my FF play experience isn't as fleshed out as others (I've mainly played 6,7,10,10-2, 11, 13, 14, tactics) I actually wouldn't characterize any of them as "bad" or even "medeiocre".
Although, this might be because the fanbase isn't really "final fantasy" fans, so much as separate camps devoted to each game (FF7 fans vs FF8 fans, etc), so as far as FF7 fans are concerned, the series peaked with that game, and so on.
Not all fans are like that, it just seems like the most vocal ones are guzzling a bit too much of the haterade.
Just because 12's story wasn't in your face, on the nose and delivered by caricatures doesnt mean it wasn't "there." Which is pretty much every other FF.
Love or hate 12 it is the most mature, well developed(character wise), functionally complex and arguably the best written story of the series. The fact it came out as good as it did with S/E pressure forcing bad changes says a lot.
It is not everyones cup of tea but it is probably the only FF that you could take the core of the original story(at least 3/4ths of the game) and translate it to a book or movie and it would be a solid output. As much as a I love 6, 7 and 9 and how much I like the premise of 10 and 8, I don't think you can really say that about those.
Vire
Member
Love ya too.Haha, well...At least the combat was alright.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
THe 2nd pic doesn't look like it has AA, just higher resolution. Which is funny, because chrishackwood talked about the shot looking good because of AA.
edit: seems like he was talking about the ps2 version not having AA.
Just play it on emulator.
theofficefan99
Junior Member
Again, making it sound far more exciting than it actually is... I wouldn't really consider her "blood-thirsty," which makes her plight and personality sound more exciting than it actually is. She didn't really do anything shocking/out-of-the-ordinary. Collects a few artifacts and has one conversation with the Occuria.
vainglorious
Member
Thank you! Took the words out of my mouth.
Yes, absolutely. But it isn't binary, rather a matter of degrees and tolerance. I can tolerate a lot so it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the sillier aspects of other games, but the unique composition of elements in 12 makes that game resonate far better for me.
vainglorious
Member
In all fairness you're being pretty glib.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I must be a rare FF fan who played, liked and appreciated every single-player mainline FF including 2 and 8, to different degrees of course. Well except 13. I like to pretend 13 never existed these days.
Vire
Member
Basically what I was trying to say here was that they should just remake FFXII. Based square.
Top wishlist for the remaster:
1. Zodiac International Edition
2. Improved audio quality on all voice acting (really was a shame it was so low bitrate because of the DVD compression)
3. 1080p/60fps
4. Maybe slight texture improvements here and there, but nothing crazy.
That's really all I want with this thing, the original game holds up well enough on its own and doesn't need a full blown remake.
Top wishlist for the remaster:
1. Zodiac International Edition
2. Improved audio quality on all voice acting (really was a shame it was so low bitrate because of the DVD compression)
3. 1080p/60fps
4. Maybe slight texture improvements here and there, but nothing crazy.
That's really all I want with this thing, the original game holds up well enough on its own and doesn't need a full blown remake.
THe 2nd pic doesn't look like it has AA, just higher resolution. Which is funny, because chrishackwood talked about the shot looking good because of AA.
edit: seems like he was talking about the ps2 version not having AA.
Just play it on emulator.
Those environmental textures look terrible.
Rather than bloodthirsty, I find Ashe's motivations in 12 to be much more nuanced and complicated than typically one would associate with FF. I don't think it needs dressing up to make it interesting, unfortunately some cannot appreciate that without bombast.
ZombiePlatypus
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Guys, guys. What if it's a full blown remake helmed by Toriyama?
I'll show myself out.
I'm not here to debate 12's quality. I thought it was a nice game in many ways, as most games in the series tend to be. But the exaggerated emotional investment into 'defending' that title by saying all the other games feature 'caricatures'(as if every game didn't) and are apparently somehow lowbrow by comparison is completely nonsensical.
You can think opinion wise that 12 'has the best and most 'mature' characters in the entire series'(i'd say Tactics did), but that doesn't have to come out attacking every other title in the series just because one is being overzealous in their defense.
The only game in the FF franchise i think that can be agreed by everyone as a complete fustercluck was FF14 1.0.
*EDIT*
Its something i've seen as a reoccurring thing. I've never said everyone in the Final Fantasy fanbase does this, but i've seen it enough to feel like nobody can usually agree on anything ever.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
They probably have some texture smoothing going on. Which pretty much ruins detail. Lots of low resolution textures are all about straight lines. It just becomes a blurry mess when you smooth it.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Ff12 is one of my favorites! Super excited. Might get for Vita, so I have something to play on the thing should it come out there.
I have ff10hd but i kind of moved on after a few hours.
Great game but ya know, just didn't have the desire to play again.
12 on the other hand... I was intimated by it at first and confused for awhile, then I couldn't beat Cid after a dozen or so attempts, so stopped playing for months. Damn hard difficultly spikes in his game. Randomly went back to it one day months later, and I crushed him first time and the game oddly clicked with me and I just loved the rest of the run. Balthier such a great character. Awesome voice acting and script. Didn't really care for Ashe though.
Otherwise all in!
I have ff10hd but i kind of moved on after a few hours.
Great game but ya know, just didn't have the desire to play again.
12 on the other hand... I was intimated by it at first and confused for awhile, then I couldn't beat Cid after a dozen or so attempts, so stopped playing for months. Damn hard difficultly spikes in his game. Randomly went back to it one day months later, and I crushed him first time and the game oddly clicked with me and I just loved the rest of the run. Balthier such a great character. Awesome voice acting and script. Didn't really care for Ashe though.
Otherwise all in!
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