Rahxephon91
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Yeah I wish the old PS1 FFs had a "skip story block" button.badcrumble said:
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Dreamer RD
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Reminded a bit
Big One said:
No one is talking about the storytelling here though. The specific factors mentioned are how the gameplay is framed throughout the entire adventure. There will be an overworld which you use to travel from location to location, and it will serve as a hub instead of the entire game being connected by specific areas. There will be vehicles you can control including cars and airships which allow you to travel the overworld in faster ways. There will be cities, fields, and dungeons.
Many of these factors are missing in FFX, FFXII, and FFXIII. These are elements which all the FF games prior to FFX had. Cinematic direction and storytelling is just one part of the picture.
Of all the things to associate with the 'golden era' of the IP, gameplay based framing of cutscene as appose to a more cinematic direction is quite possibly the last thing I would have thought of.
I get people complaining about the 'fantasy based on reality' concept, the Kingdom Hearts gameplay, the overall dissonant tone to everything, but cutscene direction? Crazy talk.
I get people complaining about the 'fantasy based on reality' concept, the Kingdom Hearts gameplay, the overall dissonant tone to everything, but cutscene direction? Crazy talk.
That is true, but I really feel like the story is a pretty major part of what Final Fantasy is about for better or worse, and it still is today. Just with larger budgets, and hardware, the creators have taken the series more and more seriously as it goes on, with characters, dialogue, and settings that no one can take seriously. Versus will pretty much be this and set the tone of a very serious and dark game, which is what a lot of people are praising it for in this very thread. People don't notice that they're looking forward to the story, but their brains did.duckroll said:
Why do you think so much comments about FF13 being the worst game ever is mainly about it's characters?
badcrumble
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I think it's a positive thing that cutscenes are no longer a QTE that requires you to keep pressing the "confirm" button in order to complete them.
Big One said:
Are you kidding me? There are just as many if not more comments about FF13 being totally linear and lacking towns, and lacking things to do other than battles. I'm not saying story isn't important to FF, but you're really ignoring a lot of things just to try to make your personally biased point.
Fimbulvetr
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Big One said:
I still have to ask what's so bad about the setting.
Big One said:
What does this even mean?
Big One said:
Yeah, the lack of any sort of freedom was just a formality, I guess.
Nomura better KILL it with the gameplay. The trailers are more and more making the game look like an interactive extension of his Advent Children wet dream.
@5:46-6:00 looks like it could be from AC and so does the beginning with the guy driving the car. There's a lot of hints of it :/ Hope it doesn't turn out to be a lot of style over substance.
@5:46-6:00 looks like it could be from AC and so does the beginning with the guy driving the car. There's a lot of hints of it :/ Hope it doesn't turn out to be a lot of style over substance.
Let me restate my position (and what I meant):duckroll said:
If story doesn't matter, why is so much complaints about the series from fans is about the story?
You can sum up the linear design in a single sentence or two, but one can go on and on about how shitty the story is, because there's so much of it. Like all RPGs, FF is story-centric and relies on it's story to flow with it's gameplay. There's not many RPGs that you can simply "play for the gameplay" because that's kind of missing the point of what a RPG is played for. Hell, the recent interview with Nomura confirmed that the party members are going to talk to you via battle about story events, that alone will basically force players into the story in relation to the gameplay.
My original point was that this game isn't really going to be Final Fantasy in terms of story style and tone, which I think way too many people are expecting in this thread. Sure we get all of the old gameplay elements back, but in contrast we get...everything else. It's cool in concept but everything so far is pretty much what you expect from the same guys who brought us Kingdom Hearts and Advent Children.
However this problem can be fixed if we get actual good localization for Versus.
gundamkyoukai
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Seems like you need to read up more on why people don't like FFXIII.
For me i could care less about the story in a FF game , FFXIII was lacking some much compare other FF games.
Where were the towns , mini games , extra stuff to get , the small amount of summons and spells etc etc.
That was the reason why many people did not like FFXIII.
So far Versus seem to have the take care of some of the problems people had with FFXIII.
I could write a short story with problems FFXIII have and i won't need to ever mention the story .
EDIT i never play a RPG or any game for there stories if i like it that's a plus but it's all about the game play.
For me i could care less about the story in a FF game , FFXIII was lacking some much compare other FF games.
Where were the towns , mini games , extra stuff to get , the small amount of summons and spells etc etc.
That was the reason why many people did not like FFXIII.
So far Versus seem to have the take care of some of the problems people had with FFXIII.
I could write a short story with problems FFXIII have and i won't need to ever mention the story .
EDIT i never play a RPG or any game for there stories if i like it that's a plus but it's all about the game play.
Fimbulvetr
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Big One said:
People complain about it because it's especially horrible. That doesn't mean it had a huge effect on their enjoyment over other aspects.
Big One said:
You can only go so far with that.
Big One said:
No one has said story doesn't matter. NO ONE. You are the one who seems to be saying that story seems to matter above all else which is completely untrue, and you keep ignoring that point.
This is not a statement you can make seriously if you actually follow the discussions on FF games and many of the FFXII and FFXIII threads. This might be your own personal opinion, which is fine, but to present it as some sort of factual generalization of how people feel about FF games is incorrect. There's a lot to discuss about in terms of gameplay and the mechanics, and they are indeed discussed and debated. Gameplay is about as important to many FF fans as the story is. It's not either or.
You claim that this isn't going to be Final Fantasy in story style and tone. But what does that mean?
Final Fantasy 1 is about time travel.
Final Fantasy 4's climax involved flying to the moon in a giant whale-shaped spaceship to fight an alien threat.
Final Fantasy 5 is about an invader from another dimension, and people who could travel between dimensions using meteorite ships.
Final Fantasy 6 is a steampunk war story involving a robot army and mind control using slave crowns.
Final Fantasy 7 has high tech cities and what is essentially nuclear energy being used by a corporation to exploit the economy and control the world. It also has robots, cars, a giant cannon, guns, etc.
Final Fantasy 8 is almost a real world setting with countries and provinces, with the Gardens acting as benevolent PMCs. It also involves time travel and space travel.
Final Fantasy 9 is about a monkey race, an alien world, and genetic cloning.
It is clear that Final Fantasy is whatever it needs to be. There is no fixed type of scenario, or worldview that specifically screams "FF". It is different things to different people. You might not think that Versus looks like a FF to you, but it definitely does to plenty of other people. Let's not forget, there are many people who actually like KH because it reminds them of FF, and while Advent Children is a terrible film, it has tons of fans especially among FF fans.
The fanbase for FF is huge and varied, it is extremely shortsighted and narrowminded to take what you feel about FF personally and project it on everyone else. That would be silly and inaccurate.
Raging Spaniard
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Exactly, FF is whatever the hell Square decides that it is, its not up to fans to decide.
That being said, I think this looks fantastic, seems like they finally got their tech in place.
That being said, I think this looks fantastic, seems like they finally got their tech in place.
BruceLeeRoy
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Unbelievable. This looks truly fantastic. First JRPG of the this gen for me.
That isn't what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that the story is just as important as the gameplay. Look at my original post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25650606&postcount=360duckroll said:
I'm only putting them on an equal level of focus.
This discussion just happens to be about the story, that doesn't mean I'm ignoring the cool looking gameplay.Aside from FF8, none of those really have a "real world" setting. Even FF8 wasn't that heavily based on the real world, it's more like a fantasy world that became a "real world" overtime.duckroll said:
Yes, Final Fantasy is full of weird shit, no doubt, and Versus itself has some elements, but the setting is so realistic in design aesthetic that stuff like big ass monsters, magic, and all of that shit doesn't really hold up too well to it's setting. When I think Final Fantasy, I don't think exploring a big real-life world full of monsters, I think of exploring a big fantasy world full of monsters. I don't think of open roads driving in a car, I think of riding a chocobo as the only land transportation. It's just really, really detached from Final Fantasy in setting, which was originally basically a parody of Ultima's style of genre blending: modern day/futuristic technology + fantasy setting. Matter of fact Versus is kind of a complete inverse of that.
That is true. But that is why it just won't appeal to me I suppose. This'll appeal to those fans who enjoy Advent Children when it comes to the non-gameplay aesthetic, but Advent Children I really don't think holds up too well as representative of what Final Fantasy is about. People will disagree, but most Final Fantasy games aren't like FF7, FF8, Advent Children; most FF games simply don't delve too much into realism, even the newer ones which have sacrificed a lot when it comes to gameplay.duckroll said:
SolidSnakex
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Are the XIII-2 and Type-0 trailers on PSN?
Shadowlink
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How far are they into development? I think Nomura said in an interview how far they are but I don't remember. I'm assuming they are at least 25% done with the game.
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Deleted member 30609
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how can they afford to have the KH team in production mode for this many years? surely this thing is giant money-sink at this point.
So why put it out at all? Why on the SE site but not on PSN so we can have it in nicer quality?Kyoufu said:
I believe it may be possible to find other examples of this more 'action' focused RPG.sn00zer said:
EDIT: Actually, you have an ICO avatar, you must play Nier, seriously.
Rahxephon91
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And if that was true it wouldn't explain why Type 0 isn't up as well.
Shadowlink
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Ehhh...... Damn them!Zoe said:
StuBurns said:
I believe the only two cities they've shown in previews so far are ones based on Tokyo and Venice respectively. There will presumably be more, including something American inspired, since the gas station shown in the TGS teaser is specifically based on what an American gas station would look like according to Nomura.
Why yes, I do understand that Noctis' city/nation is based off of Tokyo. Just suspected that the use of Latin would took root early in the game after Nomura talked about the importance of the dead language to "even the playing field" and add mystery. Just something I was reminded of from the link Kagari posted the other day in the last thread.duckroll said:
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