PhantomHound
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The games not even out how can you call it shit?
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Final Fantasy X -Will- and FFX-2.5 plot discussion thread [Up2: Uh, um, errr, see OP]
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The games not even out how can you call it shit?
Tidus and Yuna are not a typical couple. If the relationship/character dynamic revolves around "oppsies, I didn't really like you that much" that's lazy and sloppy writing.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Just because it's realistic doesn't mean it's something I want to see. I mean, people piss and shit everyday too, doesn't mean I want to hear Yuna referencing how long it took for her to squeeze out a prickly fudge log!
And they take a dump on that theme in the immediate sequel. It's amazing, I know.
Hard to salvage a premise that is shit.
In my mind FFX-3 would take place many years later, like 10 or 20 years after the events of FFX-2.
Meccanical
Member
The theme of sacrifice kind of got thrown out of the widow with X-2 though.
TheSpoiler
Member
They are nailing down the mythos. The Farplane is spilling into the world and making "wishes" come true, the Fayth's nature is coming farther to light by them taking pity, and it's basically just making those pyreflies more constant and corporeal.
It's going further into the problems of the world AS (after sin). This is just a taste, I'm sure we'll see more about the world and its expanded nature later.
Hell, if anything, this is a huge sign that we'll get a fuckload more backstory. Those things are coming back, and just think, they'd force people to confront the dead again.
So my Japanese is pretty shabby but here's some of the stuff that fills in a few blanks here and there, hopefully I'm not listening wrong somebody please check.
Kurugum is a '送儀士' as Yuna calls him, I'm not sure if this term was used in 10/10-2 but think it means he's a Sender (since summoners are 'summon'-ers, nowadays there's nothing to summon but people still die and require sendings, so presently there are Senders).
Chuami harbors resentment towards Yuna, most likely because of the Auron father thing and also because Chuami actually dislikes Yevon, and Yuna has been doing nothing but praying at the Besaid Temple to a fayth that no longer even exists. Chuami thinks it's bullshit.
A second shoopuf has appeared at Moonflow. In FF10/10-2, the shoopuf at Moonflow is supposed to be the last of its species, so the mystery appearance of a shoopuf who happens to be quite close to the last shoopuf (a sphere of them is described in the audio) is a bit alarming. Thirty years ago the last shoopufs were a couple, but one of them died. My understanding is that Chuami and Kurugum ask Yuna (at Baralai's request) to investigate, and then go Bevelle to meet with Baralai about it. When Yuna refuses, Chuami uses Tidus against her, saying that Tidus is in Bevelle and he seems to be injured, which immediately sparks Yuna's worry.
Yuna agrees to go after consulting Wakka and Lulu, who also come along.
The fayth are acting weird. What fayth normally show are memories or just images of dead people. However, at the Moonflow the traveling crew witness a fayth image respond to a child's question like a sentient being. The child begs her mother to come back, and the mother answers in affirmative.
This later relates to the reappearance of Sin at Bevelle, implying that someone wished for Sin to come back.
In any case, when Sin reappeared, they realize the problem of trying to defeat Sin when summons no longer exist. Wakka and Kurugum defer to Yuna, waiting for her decision on how to handle the new Sin, but like an airhead she says amidst all of this that she must meet Tidus.
So Chuami's pissed and she decides to eavesdrop on Yuna and Tidus. Who happen to be having a lovers' quarrel while Sin runs off like Godzilla I suppose.
At this point Kurugum tells Chuami they will have to part because he has to go with Yuna, that Chuami won't understand because she's not a summoner. Chuami is confused, throws her hands up and tells him to do what he wants.
Chuami heads back to Besaid. Tidus also goes, to ask Lulu about the new guy that Yuna likes. Lulu tells him to go find the guy himself.
At the beach, Chuami wonders aloud where the summoners are; Tidus answers that they must go 'there' (I think he's implying Zanarkand?). Chuami asks him if he's okay with being dumped for that, to which Tidus replies, "We made a promise to be together forever."
Chuami thinks he's full of shit, but doesn't say anything because Tidus is clearly doing a really poor job of hiding his pained face.
At the end, in a stadium setting most likely (from the sounds of crowds and cheering), Yuna promises the people she will defeat Sin.
So my takeaway is that this could turn into a 13-2 situation where bringing backLightningTidus caused some problems with the fayth and the Farplane. Yuna's wish for Tidus to return in 10-2 is similar to the child who wished for her mother to come home and the shoopuf who suddenly has his/her mate back.
OK that makes more sense. 'Cause honestly I couldn't understand what the summary in the OP was talking about.
It still sounds like absolute shit though
PhantomHound
Banned
Er.. sin is back? That's a big deal.. oh and HINT HINT: Tidus is probably the problem.
TheSpoiler
Member
With Yuna and Tidus. But not with NotYuna and NotTidus.
Not saying I liked the story, but the theme was passed on to someone else.
PhantomHound
Banned
Yes! This! This so much! I finally found someone who understands...!
I'd be surprised if it wasn't already in development.
I mean they wrote the plot setup of the game and already have character art and then went to a magazine and teased the fact that they were making it.
PhantomHound
Banned
They also made an HD remake of a game from a really long time ago. It's probably been part of the strategy for a good 5 years.
Dr. Buni
Member
Arguably, even their non-sequel games have been let downs, so one might think the problem isn't that Square doesn't know how to pull a sequel off. Instead, maybe they just don't know how to make good games in the FF series anymore.
Incoming FF15 fans. Oh yeah. 14 exists
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I bet it turns out Tidus wished for Sin to come back.
Wonder why he is dressing more like his dad?
He wants to see him again
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Seymour's back! Calling it!!! Here comes Seymour, Yunalesca, Yu Yevon and Shuyin(but without Lenne, causing him to go batshit crazy again).
Hell, wonder if they make up a character called "Tori", who wishes for Lightning to be "real", in the way the Ice King wishes for Fiona and Cake to be real.
I don't have confidence for the current Square Enix talent to pull any of this off. Of course that's my personal opinion, but their current treatment of Final Fantasy storytelling sorta paints a bad image no matter what.
All in all I'm really disappointed with how Yuna and Tidus are being handled mostly.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
So my Japanese is pretty shabby but here's some of the stuff that fills in a few blanks here and there, hopefully I'm not listening wrong somebody please check.
Kurugum is a '送儀士' as Yuna calls him, I'm not sure if this term was used in 10/10-2 but think it means he's a Sender (since summoners are 'summon'-ers, nowadays there's nothing to summon but people still die and require sendings, so presently there are Senders).
Chuami harbors resentment towards Yuna, most likely because of the Auron father thing and also because Chuami actually dislikes Yevon, and Yuna has been doing nothing but praying at the Besaid Temple to a fayth that no longer even exists. Chuami thinks it's bullshit.
A second shoopuf has appeared at Moonflow. In FF10/10-2, the shoopuf at Moonflow is supposed to be the last of its species, so the mystery appearance of a shoopuf who happens to be quite close to the last shoopuf (a sphere of them is described in the audio) is a bit alarming. Thirty years ago the last shoopufs were a couple, but one of them died. My understanding is that Chuami and Kurugum ask Yuna (at Baralai's request) to investigate, and then go Bevelle to meet with Baralai about it. When Yuna refuses, Chuami uses Tidus against her, saying that Tidus is in Bevelle and he seems to be injured, which immediately sparks Yuna's worry.
Yuna agrees to go after consulting Wakka and Lulu, who also come along.
The fayth are acting weird. What fayth normally show are memories or just images of dead people. However, at the Moonflow the traveling crew witness a fayth image respond to a child's question like a sentient being. The child begs her mother to come back, and the mother answers in affirmative.
This later relates to the reappearance of Sin at Bevelle, implying that someone wished for Sin to come back.
In any case, when Sin reappeared, they realize the problem of trying to defeat Sin when summons no longer exist. Wakka and Kurugum defer to Yuna, waiting for her decision on how to handle the new Sin, but like an airhead she says amidst all of this that she must meet Tidus.
So Chuami's pissed and she decides to eavesdrop on Yuna and Tidus. Who happen to be having a lovers' quarrel while Sin runs off like Godzilla I suppose.
At this point Kurugum tells Chuami they will have to part because he has to go with Yuna, that Chuami won't understand because she's not a summoner. Chuami is confused, throws her hands up and tells him to do what he wants.
Chuami heads back to Besaid. Tidus also goes, to ask Lulu about the new guy that Yuna likes. Lulu tells him to go find the guy himself.
At the beach, Chuami wonders aloud where the summoners are; Tidus answers that they must go 'there' (I think he's implying Zanarkand?). Chuami asks him if he's okay with being dumped for that, to which Tidus replies, "We made a promise to be together forever."
Chuami thinks he's full of shit, but doesn't say anything because Tidus is clearly doing a really poor job of hiding his pained face.
At the end, in a stadium setting most likely (from the sounds of crowds and cheering), Yuna promises the people she will defeat Sin.
So my takeaway is that this could turn into a 13-2 situation where bringing backLightningTidus caused some problems with the fayth and the Farplane. Yuna's wish for Tidus to return in 10-2 is similar to the child who wished for her mother to come home and the shoopuf who suddenly has his/her mate back.
I'm a little confused about the line which Tidus said "the summoner must go there" as a reply to where the summoners are by Chuami. If there are no longer aeons in Spira, why would there be summoners? Why would they need to travel to Zanarkand again?
Well, that's....awfully telling.
I'm only concerned for the plot because this audio drama sounds like bonkerballs. How would it play? X and X-2 are almost two different beasts in the core battle system.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
I'm still trying to repress that!
Lighting will be a rare blitz ball ace you can recruit. Calling it now.
TheSpoiler
Member
I hope they all come back bitter and angry and fuck up everything and they shit all over the main cast for the shit they did.
Lol Yu Yevon though he's a bug.
I'll wait til it's out, but I agree with you on the Yuna and Tidus thing.
Game should have a real messed up ending.
Tidus is brought back because Yuna wanted him back. He's back, he's happy. He's with the woman he loves and he's playing Blitzball. As time goes on, they drift apart, his body is inexplicably becoming more injured and broken. Yuna is avoiding him. Throughout the years, Tidus goes from being upbeat to a depressed and broken man living a life without meaning. He's bacially going through life clinging to those few memories and desperate for anyone's attention. Then Sin ends up returning. Tidus figures out that he's found some meaning now and wants to stop Sin like he did all those years ago. Eventually he discovers that he's tied to the return, and is desperate to figure out a way to get rid of Sin without killing himself since he's begun to appreciate other things about his life throughout the journey to get rid of Sin. He also learns that this is why Yuna has avoided him. Then at the end, instead of trying to find an alternative way to stop Sin (like Tidus tried in FFX with Yuna), Yuna just kills Tidus when he's not expecting it. Tidus dies like that, after finally realising how to overcome his depression and lead a new way of life.
Let's go full on crazy here. Just ruin everyone's characters.
Edit:
The game should have a dual perspective. One side shows Tidus going from being depressed and appreciating a potentially new life without links to his old one, and it ends in tragedy. The other side shows Yuna slowly descending into insanity and killing Tidus at the end of it.
Yep, I am genius.
Tidus is brought back because Yuna wanted him back. He's back, he's happy. He's with the woman he loves and he's playing Blitzball. As time goes on, they drift apart, his body is inexplicably becoming more injured and broken. Yuna is avoiding him. Throughout the years, Tidus goes from being upbeat to a depressed and broken man living a life without meaning. He's bacially going through life clinging to those few memories and desperate for anyone's attention. Then Sin ends up returning. Tidus figures out that he's found some meaning now and wants to stop Sin like he did all those years ago. Eventually he discovers that he's tied to the return, and is desperate to figure out a way to get rid of Sin without killing himself since he's begun to appreciate other things about his life throughout the journey to get rid of Sin. He also learns that this is why Yuna has avoided him. Then at the end, instead of trying to find an alternative way to stop Sin (like Tidus tried in FFX with Yuna), Yuna just kills Tidus when he's not expecting it. Tidus dies like that, after finally realising how to overcome his depression and lead a new way of life.
Let's go full on crazy here. Just ruin everyone's characters.
Edit:
The game should have a dual perspective. One side shows Tidus going from being depressed and appreciating a potentially new life without links to his old one, and it ends in tragedy. The other side shows Yuna slowly descending into insanity and killing Tidus at the end of it.
Yep, I am genius.
PhantomHound
Banned
I apologize for posting a lot.
I think we're all looking over one crucial aspect of Final Fantasy X-3.
Nojima said he wanted to add more to the story. The games story writer wants to see more of his universe come to life. Should we really be bashing him for wanting to expand on his own lore.
It's not like a call of duty every year. This is 10+ years for a sequel.
If you don't want to play Final Fantasy X-3 we have a product for you, and that's called Xbox 360.
I think we're all looking over one crucial aspect of Final Fantasy X-3.
Nojima said he wanted to add more to the story. The games story writer wants to see more of his universe come to life. Should we really be bashing him for wanting to expand on his own lore.
It's not like a call of duty every year. This is 10+ years for a sequel.
If you don't want to play Final Fantasy X-3 we have a product for you, and that's called Xbox 360.
This is why the wish stuff is nonsensical and lame. It could be used as a blatant way to bring back most of the FFX cast, which would amount to tons of fan service.
chickdigger802
Banned
will probably be ps3 using the engine they spend all these years making for ffx hd lol
An annual call of duty is better than the shit sequels SE has put out.
So cellphone?
PhantomHound
Banned
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
To be honest, Dramatis summary makes it sound a lot better than the original summary. I'm intrigued now. My main worry is that the new concept ideas can be a nightmare to execute - too much potential for Deus Ex Machinas everywhere.
I still believe the main concepts were handled by Toriyama (which will likely be the director for FFX-3). The retcon-feel behind them, the unlimited Deus Ex Machina potential, the sudden screw up of the world, and how Toriyama loves to recycle ideas, all lead up to my suspicion.
I still believe the main concepts were handled by Toriyama (which will likely be the director for FFX-3). The retcon-feel behind them, the unlimited Deus Ex Machina potential, the sudden screw up of the world, and how Toriyama loves to recycle ideas, all lead up to my suspicion.
Nope. This is just wrong.
People are only upset about this because they don't trust SE anymore, that seems obvious.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Not gonna lie, the additional summary sounded slightly better than what we initially had. My memories of FFX is a little fuzzy. If X-3 is written with more serious tone compared to X-2, basically discarding whatever shit that's happened in X-2 (I think they're doing that anyway, since Yuna is back to her FFX self but older), I might bite.
Also, get whoever that design FFX-2's combat system.
Also, get whoever that design FFX-2's combat system.
PhantomHound
Banned
dark_inferno
Member
What did i read? A romance fanfic?
At least CoD fans only have to wait a year before being potentially disappointed.