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First reviews for Disney's THE LONE RANGER.

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I think the reviews killed this movie. It was tracking very strongly til the reviews hit.

And the reviews were mostly bullshit. They admit that the movie is entertaining, just too long, or too violent, or both. How this movie is deemed too violent is beyond me. It's very cartoonish and not graphic in the least. Bare in mind that the last two hit westerns were True Grit and Django Unchained, and this is not even remotely close to True Grit's level of violence.

Because at times it's basically Pirates. No Blood, people jumping off at the last second, etc. People die, but there isn't anything graphic about it.

This on the other hand
We have a guy gutting and eating the heart of the brother. Heads smashed in by a pillar. Etc.

True Grit and Django were hard violence through, this couldn't decide if it wanted the family fun violence or the hard.
 
Will probably watch it this weekend or sometime next week.

Because at times it's basically Pirates. No Blood, people jumping off at the last second, etc. People die, but there isn't anything graphic about it.

This on the other hand
We have a guy gutting and eating the heart of the brother. Heads smashed in by a pillar. Etc.

True Grit and Django were hard violence through, this couldn't decide if it wanted the family fun violence or the hard.

I shouldn't comment on that part since I haven't seen the movie but if the trailers are any indication, it doesn't look that way.
 
This definitely felt like a great movie trapped inside a mediocre movie. With a little better editing and the removal of some of the silly stuff this could have been awesome. The soundtrack was amazing, though. I love what Zimmer did with it.
 
This definitely felt like a great movie trapped inside a mediocre movie. With a little better editing and the removal of some of the silly stuff this could have been awesome. The soundtrack was amazing, though. I love what Zimmer did with it.


yeah, Zimmers score is leagues better here than the shit in MoS

Also, Armie Hammer really did a great job
 
This definitely felt like a great movie trapped inside a mediocre movie. With a little better editing and the removal of some of the silly stuff this could have been awesome. The soundtrack was amazing, though. I love what Zimmer did with it.

Yeah, this sums up my feelings as well.
 
seems too old fashioned to succeed at the box office. hell the final 20 minute action scene is probably the best of this summer (have yet to see pacific rim or elysium so we'll see) but it echoes buster keaton with a big budget rather than transformers or something. as soon as you see armie hammer appear on his horse and the william tell overture plays i was like "oh shit i like this scene already"

if the lone ranger was a sci-fi hero this remake would have probably fared much better with audiences. due to depp/bruckheimer

it's definitely a good adventure film wrapped up in a mediocre one. with some editing it could have been great. the best since zorro and better than pirates 1. but for now i'll say it's not as good as the first pirate movie.

there, i'm done talking about this one now. no chance for a sequel. but i hope armie hammer still has a career in the future and gore verbinski gets to keep making blockbusters.
 
So you guys are saying this movie is pretty good even though it has a 26% rotten rating? I can't remember the last time a summer tentpole flick was this unanimously panned by critics.
 
So you guys are saying this movie is pretty good even though it has a 26% rotten rating? I can't remember the last time a summer tentpole flick was this unanimously panned by critics.
It's at 24% now.

Ouch.
 
Just got back. It was okay. I had a lot of fun, although I wish the movie had leaned a little heavier into the darkness/violence/general "fuck white people" themes, although I doubt Disney would have okayed that. Depps performance bugged me a bit, but he had enough genuinely funny lines to make up for it I guess. The framing device was fuckin' pointless, absolutely pointless.

Also I'm not sure whether I should respect Hans Zimmer for making a relatively deep musical reference, or whether he's just being a fucking biter:

The Lone Ranger Soundtrack

Once Upon a Time Soundtrack

I was practically jumping up and down in my seat and nobody around me knew why I was pissed.
 
Just got back. It was okay. I had a lot of fun, although I wish the movie had leaned a little heavier into the darkness/violence/general "fuck white people" themes, although I doubt Disney would have okayed that. Depps performance bugged me a bit, but he had enough genuinely funny lines to make up for it I guess. The framing device was fuckin' pointless, absolutely pointless.

Also I'm not sure whether I should respect Hans Zimmer for making a relatively deep musical reference, or whether he's just being a fucking biter:

The Lone Ranger Soundtrack

Once Upon a Time Soundtrack

I was practically jumping up and down in my seat and nobody around me knew why I was pissed.

It's not that deep, and he has referenced that specific Morricone theme before already, lolz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzsqAjJnMdA

I don't think there's any malice.
 
Call me crazy but I enjoyed the hell out of it more so than The Man of Steel

yeah I think i agree with this. Armie Hammer was like a combination of james stewart and john wayne in liberty valance. he also reminded me a bit of christopher reeve in the superman movies.

Iron Man 3 > Furious 6 > Lone Ranger > Star Trek 2 = Superman

i wonder where pacific rim will fit here. i don't really care for del toro but it could be cool.

soundtrack was better than man of steel's too. particularly this

those bookends should have been cut though. just an excuse for johnny depp to play an old guy
 
Well, that's why I said "relatively." Also the fact that he's referenced it multiple times (there's a part in Sherlock Holmes that's really similar as well) it's starting to get kind of lazy.

Now that it something that's almost inarguable about Zimmer. The guy just phones it in.
 
he's definitely lazy. but there are small instances of good soundtracks from him still. parts of lone ranger, inception, sherlock holmes series.
 
I think the reviews killed this movie. It was tracking very strongly til the reviews hit.

And the reviews were mostly bullshit. They admit that the movie is entertaining, just too long, or too violent, or both. How this movie is deemed too violent is beyond me. It's very cartoonish and not graphic in the least. Bare in mind that the last two hit westerns were True Grit and Django Unchained, and this is not even remotely close to True Grit's level of violence.

Do you really seriously not see the difference between True Grit/ Django Unchained and The Lone Ranger?

This is a summer family blockbuster. It's alright to hold it to a different standard of violence than you would a fucking Tarantino movie.
 
Just got back. It was okay. I had a lot of fun, although I wish the movie had leaned a little heavier into the darkness/violence/general "fuck white people" themes, although I doubt Disney would have okayed that. Depps performance bugged me a bit, but he had enough genuinely funny lines to make up for it I guess. The framing device was fuckin' pointless, absolutely pointless.

Also I'm not sure whether I should respect Hans Zimmer for making a relatively deep musical reference, or whether he's just being a fucking biter:

The Lone Ranger Soundtrack

Once Upon a Time Soundtrack

I was practically jumping up and down in my seat and nobody around me knew why I was pissed.
so true, 20 minutes of the runtime could have been cut down without that shit
 
I don't know about the rest of you, but my heart always sinks when a new movie comes out and it gets panned in the reviews. The days that movies came out that everybody wanted to see and most could love to a degree seem to slipping into the past (or have they never been there truly?).

It just seems like such a waste. All that money, time and talent and the result is another movie that fails to meet (already low) expectations. If The Lone Ranger still does well at the box office, for me that will prove beyond a doubt that the average viewer has very low standards of quality and doesn't mind paying to see the same kind of movies over and over again as long as they look nice and offer spectacle (which will then continue to justify Hollywood's downward spiral into only releasing homogenized and flashy popcorn flicks), or that critics have extremely high standards that can rarely be met (by Hollywood at least). Unfortunately for me, my opinion usually falls in line with that of the critics so I'll probably have to accept that I won't be seeing many movies at the theaters anymore.
 
I don't know about the rest of you, but my heart always sinks when a new movie comes out and it gets panned in the reviews. The days that movies came out that everybody wanted to see and most could love to a degree seem to slipping into the past (or have they never been there truly?).

It just seems like such a waste. All that money, time and talent and the result is another movie that fails to meet (already low) expectations. If The Lone Ranger still does well at the box office, for me that will prove beyond a doubt that the average viewer has very low standards of quality and doesn't mind paying to see the same kind of movies over and over again as long as they look nice and offer spectacle (which will then continue to justify Hollywood's downward spiral into only releasing homogenized and flashy popcorn flicks), or that critics have extremely high standards that can rarely be met (by Hollywood at least). Unfortunately for me, my opinion usually falls in line with that of the critics so I'll probably have to accept that I won't be seeing many movies at the theaters anymore.
This post touched me :'(
 
Man, Disney is having a hard time capturing that Pirates success with new films.
That's the problem. They insist in the "Pirates formula", is not going to happen again. They tried with the sorcerer's apprentice, prince of persia, national treasure and John Carter, Bruckheimer need to realise that the magic of Pirates is gone and they need something new, or keep pushing Marvel and Star Wars.
 
That's the problem. They insist in the "Pirates formula", is not going to happen again. They tried with the sorcerer's apprentice, prince of persia, national treasure and John Carter, Bruckheimer need to realise that the magic of Pirates is gone and they need something new, or keep pushing Marvel and Star Wars.

If they had done PoP with the REAL story it would have been fared faaar better
 
I don't know about the rest of you, but my heart always sinks when a new movie comes out and it gets panned in the reviews. The days that movies came out that everybody wanted to see and most could love to a degree seem to slipping into the past (or have they never been there truly?).

It just seems like such a waste. All that money, time and talent and the result is another movie that fails to meet (already low) expectations. If The Lone Ranger still does well at the box office, for me that will prove beyond a doubt that the average viewer has very low standards of quality and doesn't mind paying to see the same kind of movies over and over again as long as they look nice and offer spectacle (which will then continue to justify Hollywood's downward spiral into only releasing homogenized and flashy popcorn flicks), or that critics have extremely high standards that can rarely be met (by Hollywood at least). Unfortunately for me, my opinion usually falls in line with that of the critics so I'll probably have to accept that I won't be seeing many movies at the theaters anymore.

Art and commerce have always, always, always been strange bedfellows. Films like The Godfather are very rare examples where the studio, critics, and audiences have been in tune with each other. The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be.
 
Art and commerce have always, always, always been strange bedfellows. Films like The Godfather are very rare examples where the studio, critics, and audiences have been in tune with each other. The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be.

Yes.

At least we'll always have the satisfaction that great movies are the ones that live the longest, even if audiences at the time ignore them.
 
it had its moments, it was a pure summer film. while the reviews are awful, many seem to be enjoying it. i was surprised how many people in the audience were notably older.
 
Art and commerce have always, always, always been strange bedfellows. Films like The Godfather are very rare examples where the studio, critics, and audiences have been in tune with each other. The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be.

We seem to get at least one or two a year, though, in terms of big budget crowd-pleasers that don't seem to sacrifice their own integrity and end up as good, fun films in their own right. The original Pirates, The Dark Knight, The Avengers, Star Trek (it bugged me as a Trek fan but it was undeniably successful), Inception, Jurassic Park, things like that. Granted, these sorts of blockbuster hits might be aiming slightly lower than things like The Godfather, but occasionally we still get legitimately great stuff out of the absurd studio budgeting system.
 
We seem to get at least one or two a year, though, in terms of big budget crowd-pleasers that don't seem to sacrifice their own integrity and end up as good, fun films in their own right. The original Pirates, The Dark Knight, The Avengers, Star Trek (it bugged me as a Trek fan but it was undeniably successful), Inception, Jurassic Park, things like that. Granted, these sorts of blockbuster hits might be aiming slightly lower than things like The Godfather, but occasionally we still get legitimately great stuff out of the absurd studio budgeting system.

Which is the only reason why that system still exists at all. :lol

Films like Avatar and The Avengers are able to keep the industry afloat in spite of all the Battleships and White House Downs of the world.
 
So you guys are saying this movie is pretty good even though it has a 26% rotten rating? I can't remember the last time a summer tentpole flick was this unanimously panned by critics.

Transformers 2. Except that movie made tons of money.

I think the reviews killed this movie. It was tracking very strongly til the reviews hit.

Nah, most people don't give a flying fuck about reviews, and view critics as elitist snobs. It's a lack of interest that's killing the movie, imo.
 
Whitewashing the role of Tonto sure helped with your movie's marketability Disney.

Its a fake character, who cares? I know you think you are a writer, do you have anything online I can read? This movie looks terrible, but I would love to see what you write considering how much you love yourself.
 
I went into this with no expectations or knowledge of its reviews. I quite liked it. Disney with an edge kinda appealed to me. The violence was surprisingly gruesome a few times. It was a bit clumsily paced and some of characters seemed to lack chemistry, but I thought it was fun the whole way through. I'm not a person who watches westerns though, so my opinion is pretty valueless xD

But who knows, my opinion could flip-flop on a second viewing. It does that sometimes.
 
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