cartoon_soldier
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Once Again, FA doesn't have to prove Saurez is a racist for a ban
According to Suarez, everybody misheard or misunderstood him. lol.
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Football/Fútbol/Fussball/Calcio/Soccer Thread 2011/12 |OT4| Why always Tokyo Sexwale?
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Once Again, FA doesn't have to prove Saurez is a racist for a ban
According to Suarez, everybody misheard or misunderstood him. lol.
Tim the Wiz
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He was found guilty of using racist language. Nobody credible, including Evra himself, is calling him an actual racist. I think carrying this to extremes is indicative of tribalistic desperation, as with the continuous irrelevant asides that Evra is "a cunt" or whatever else. Not that LFC itself is showing wise leadership on that front, either.
Jeff Albertson
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I thought they were Irelands legs at first.
MOTD should be good tonight folks...right?
And yes I am staying in, Arlo's first new year so Nikki wanted him at home, drinks and a curry it is
MOTD should be good tonight folks...right?
And yes I am staying in, Arlo's first new year so Nikki wanted him at home, drinks and a curry it is
Edit - Actually I am going to give it a miss.
Like banging my head against a brick wall.
Have a good night everyone and lets hope Everton get twatted tomorrow
Stayed in for the past few years as It's impossible to find a babysitter
- Our new year celebrations have amounted to watching a turd movie, getting a little bit tipsy, Watching big ben at 12 and then opening the door to let the new year in.Awful.
Vivalaraza
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Evra's defence of Suarez:
232. Mr Evra also demonstrated a measure of balance in his evidence. For example, he was
prepared to make a number of concessions before us. Prior to 15 October 2011, Mr Evra
and Mr Suarez had played against each other when Mr Evra was playing for Manchester
United and in a France v Uruguay match. They had no relationship outside football, and
Mr Evra had experienced no problems with Mr Suarez on the pitch before this match. In
his written evidence, Mr Evra said:
"There is no need for any player to be racially abusive towards another player, it's
completely out of order. I was so surprised because Suarez has played with many
black players and I don't think he's racist but I don't know why he said that."
233. In his oral evidence, after giving his account of what Mr Suarez said when they were in
the goalmouth, Mr Evra said:
"For me it was like I think a bad dream, because I respect so much that player"
232. Mr Evra also demonstrated a measure of balance in his evidence. For example, he was
prepared to make a number of concessions before us. Prior to 15 October 2011, Mr Evra
and Mr Suarez had played against each other when Mr Evra was playing for Manchester
United and in a France v Uruguay match. They had no relationship outside football, and
Mr Evra had experienced no problems with Mr Suarez on the pitch before this match. In
his written evidence, Mr Evra said:
"There is no need for any player to be racially abusive towards another player, it's
completely out of order. I was so surprised because Suarez has played with many
black players and I don't think he's racist but I don't know why he said that."
233. In his oral evidence, after giving his account of what Mr Suarez said when they were in
the goalmouth, Mr Evra said:
"For me it was like I think a bad dream, because I respect so much that player"
Yeah I think everyone thought the were his legs to begin with. Anyways gratz Jeff! What a great day. McCleish IN!
I think most reasnable people think the ban is correct. He's going to be out for 8 games and 1 extra game for his stupid gesture to the Fulham crowd. It doesn't matter if you're racist or not, you do not pick on someone's skin colour to wind them up. Or for any other reason for that matter.
All I want is that FA will show consistency in decisions like this in the future. I think that is a reasonable request.
All I want is that FA will show consistency in decisions like this in the future. I think that is a reasonable request.
Vivalaraza
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Don't think Suarez will get any joy on an appeal. His defence is very patchy. Liverpool in a tough place, appeal and risk an increase or accept it and effectively go back on what they've said till now. Dunno if they saw this detail before but to react as they did knowing all of this to me is bizarre.
Happy New Year Gaffers, going out I think to see some fireworks but it'll be boring as hell.
Happy New Year Gaffers, going out I think to see some fireworks but it'll be boring as hell.
Meus Renaissance
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Wow @ quotes in that report
I liked the Channel no. 5 one...
One thing that stood out for me, although I've not read the entire report: Evra's account says that he told the referee what he says Suarez had said to him at the time of the incident ("When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee..."). Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the FA's original statement say "Referee Andre Marriner was made aware of an allegation at the end of the fixture and has reported this to the FA." - which one is it?
I think this case could go on for a while yet.
Paul, mate, gotta tell ya nobody outside of Liverpool thinks there is any problem here. Suarez wound up Evra using his skin colour. Neither the FA, or Evra are saying he is a racist, he just decided to use it to wind him up. Thats against the rules (its also dickish). Suarez has said he wont do it again and the FA believe him, so do I. Case seems pretty closed.
He is a great player who I cant wait to see come back and play but this sad incident seems to be done. It sucks we will miss his football for such a long period of time but he did it, nobody else.
Sunday Mail running with the story that Rooney was axed by Fergie following a boxing day night out.
Link to Tweet with picture of backstage.
https://twitter.com/dhendrickbr/status/153217441340723200
Not trained well my arse. I hope Fergie had a great birthday.
Link to Tweet with picture of backstage.
https://twitter.com/dhendrickbr/status/153217441340723200
Not trained well my arse. I hope Fergie had a great birthday.
I'm not disputing that if Suarez has said what Evra said he did, he should be banned as there's no place for that anywhere, not just in football. Just that part of the report stood out to me as strange.
Fair enough.
Mr. Luchador
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Looking a little foolish after that statement and those t-shirts.
I was thinking this.
Look at how City have handled the whole Tevez saga right from this time last year when he handed in his first transfer request to right now.
Then contrast it to Liverpools statement. Different class. One is professional, the other personal.
Completely different situation. Why compare the two?
Because club statements were issued by both clubs?
Vivalaraza
Member
This may help. Seems Evra mentioned it to Marriner during the game but Marriner did not really notice/act upon it, then when the official complaint was made after the match, he began to log it.
Points 129-131 said:
So? Still completely different situations.
I never compared the situations. I just said that one club has been professional and been widely acknowledged as handling the statements well and the other has been heavily criticised for its statement.
Was expecting to read he had gone out all night drinking or something but surely having a meal out doesn't mean he should get axed.
fadetoblack
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Juve have Borriello deal
1m euro half-season loan + option to buy for 7.5m. I'm okay with this, as I've said before, but only if Iaquinta, Toni, and Amauri all leave this window. Borriello is a step up in current quality from each of these strikers (Toni is still more clinical, I reckon, than anyone up from except Matri and Quagliarella, but he clearly doesn't fit into Conte's attack which values mobile attackers or those who can test from anywhere, even outside the box, like Vucinic). I think the media will be quick to speculate that Borriello is coming to challenge Matri and basically knock Quagliarella out of contention. Those speculators would be wrong. Borriello is the alternative to Vucinic in a 4-3-3, or perhaps even an alternative to Pepe on the right. The right-footed Vucinic on the left, the left footed Borriello on the right means that at any given time our secondary strikers can cut in from the wing at any moment and unleash a shot. Iaquinta and Toni don't have the skillsets to allow for that type of movement.
Quote from Pepe more or less confirms the role I feel Borriello has to be playing for Juventus:
"The Coach hammered me right from the summer, saying I had to go deep and run towards the box, which is what Ive been doing. I was a striker at the start of my career, so I had these characteristics, but Conte really helped me to refine them."
Pepe has his pace working for him, and he's been fortunate to score as much as he has, but he really doesn't offer the finishing threat like Borriello and Vucinic do. The price is also okay for redemption if he has a good season as we'll require the depth next season. He isn't a replacement for a WC striker, though, which will have to come in the summer.
I'm a little more uncertain about what David Pizarro will be able to offer us. I mean, he was a good playmaker, without question, for Roma but I think we hardly need a 32-year old covering for another 32-year old. We need the depth in the CM spot, and I think Pizarro is going to be incredibly cheap to buy (3-4m?), but what happened to Montolivo? As I've said numerous times, I question is ability to perform at the highest levels, but certainly he has a better upside than Pizarro. And he could apprentice Pirlo and replace him quite effectively. I'm wondering if its the potential lack of playing time in what's a pretty competitive midfield that's keeping him from joining us. I mean, really, he'd only play when one of Pirlo, Marchisio, and Vidal cannot.
1m euro half-season loan + option to buy for 7.5m. I'm okay with this, as I've said before, but only if Iaquinta, Toni, and Amauri all leave this window. Borriello is a step up in current quality from each of these strikers (Toni is still more clinical, I reckon, than anyone up from except Matri and Quagliarella, but he clearly doesn't fit into Conte's attack which values mobile attackers or those who can test from anywhere, even outside the box, like Vucinic). I think the media will be quick to speculate that Borriello is coming to challenge Matri and basically knock Quagliarella out of contention. Those speculators would be wrong. Borriello is the alternative to Vucinic in a 4-3-3, or perhaps even an alternative to Pepe on the right. The right-footed Vucinic on the left, the left footed Borriello on the right means that at any given time our secondary strikers can cut in from the wing at any moment and unleash a shot. Iaquinta and Toni don't have the skillsets to allow for that type of movement.
Quote from Pepe more or less confirms the role I feel Borriello has to be playing for Juventus:
"The Coach hammered me right from the summer, saying I had to go deep and run towards the box, which is what Ive been doing. I was a striker at the start of my career, so I had these characteristics, but Conte really helped me to refine them."
Pepe has his pace working for him, and he's been fortunate to score as much as he has, but he really doesn't offer the finishing threat like Borriello and Vucinic do. The price is also okay for redemption if he has a good season as we'll require the depth next season. He isn't a replacement for a WC striker, though, which will have to come in the summer.
I'm a little more uncertain about what David Pizarro will be able to offer us. I mean, he was a good playmaker, without question, for Roma but I think we hardly need a 32-year old covering for another 32-year old. We need the depth in the CM spot, and I think Pizarro is going to be incredibly cheap to buy (3-4m?), but what happened to Montolivo? As I've said numerous times, I question is ability to perform at the highest levels, but certainly he has a better upside than Pizarro. And he could apprentice Pirlo and replace him quite effectively. I'm wondering if its the potential lack of playing time in what's a pretty competitive midfield that's keeping him from joining us. I mean, really, he'd only play when one of Pirlo, Marchisio, and Vidal cannot.
Thanks for that wonderful new year gift Chelsea. Disgusting. 3 points from a possible 12. Outside of one game - arguably the most difficult (against Tottenham) in the last four, the other 3 were purely disgusting. Scoring first and ending up with a draw and an embarrassing loss today.
Every time they had the chance to take advantage of a stumbling by Man U they stumble. Horrible performance. HORRIBLE. And Torres was excellent today.
Happy new year to all of you guys, and may the next year be one that is better for you not just with your clubs, but with your friends, families, and yourselves. I got to watch some live tennis for the first time today - I saw Nadal and Federer play a third place tennis match today (which was GLORIOUS), followed by a very dull final between Djokovic and Ferrer. (Ferrer was FAR too outclassed and the game was far too predictable).
God bless all of you
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Alright, why not? It's awesome seeing many of you for the first time. A lot of you look very different compared to what I was expecting .
My bro did the same - and I swear one of the first thoughts that came to mind is "Chelsea will not take advantage of this I bet."
The team has been dreadful to watch IMO in 3 of the last 4 games outside of the Spurs game.
Our best player tonight IMO.
Hey Fry! Happy New Year to you The game put me off pretty badly, I was expecting a dull game, I got something far worse.
Every time they had the chance to take advantage of a stumbling by Man U they stumble. Horrible performance. HORRIBLE. And Torres was excellent today.
Happy new year to all of you guys, and may the next year be one that is better for you not just with your clubs, but with your friends, families, and yourselves. I got to watch some live tennis for the first time today - I saw Nadal and Federer play a third place tennis match today (which was GLORIOUS), followed by a very dull final between Djokovic and Ferrer. (Ferrer was FAR too outclassed and the game was far too predictable).
God bless all of you
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You should all join.
It's great getting some faces on people, only know how a few people look this thread.
Alright, why not
? It's awesome seeing many of you for the first time. A lot of you look very different compared to what I was expecting .My bro did the same - and I swear one of the first thoughts that came to mind is "Chelsea will not take advantage of this I bet."
The team has been dreadful to watch IMO in 3 of the last 4 games outside of the Spurs game.
Our best player tonight IMO.
Hey Fry! Happy New Year to you
The game put me off pretty badly, I was expecting a dull game, I got something far worse.I blame the referee.
Well if he's broke a curfew.
Mine is to drink much, much more and go out more.
I think he will come good. He knows how he wants Chelsea to play, he doesnt whine when he loses, he doesnt crow when he wins.
All I can say is like Arsenal , Chelsea today forced us (Aston Villa) to play better, under him Chelsea are dynamic and interesting. IMHO in time they will become winning as well.
Wow, what a crazy day. I knew from my brothers face that Cheslea have lost. I was in Leicester all day today and didn't enjoy the footy today. Hopefully Everton play good enough to win tomorrow. God knows we need it badly.
I'll repeat my Ot suggestion, hopefully some will like it: |OT| Welcome to Channel 5, Manchester!. or |OT| Welcome to Manchester, Channel 5
I'll repeat my Ot suggestion, hopefully some will like it: |OT| Welcome to Channel 5, Manchester!. or |OT| Welcome to Manchester, Channel 5
Lucky man. I miss Leicestershire
It was actually quite a great trips and that was my first time being there. One thing that made me go WTF was the long stretching queue for busses. I always thought the jokes about English people liking queues were just a mere joke untill I have seen those lines in Haymarket shopping and Hicross shopping centre. I was really standing there baflled. They don't have that in Birmingham nor in London.
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