Preloaded games/software that require the camera on every PS4 as well as a nightlight on every single dualshock 4 controller. I don't think there's any question they intended to do it. Fortunately they didn't.
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Forced Camera inclusion "against consumer choice"' Says Sony
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Preloaded games/software that require the camera on every PS4 as well as a nightlight on every single dualshock 4 controller. I don't think there's any question they intended to do it. Fortunately they didn't.
The card is needed to combat piracy. Sony is protecting the Vita's interest.
How many PS Eyes have been sold in comparison to Microsoft's Kinect? Isn't there a big gap between the two? I'm pretty sure Kinect was the fastest selling consumer electronic device of all time, so I'm sure MS market for this type of tech is different/large than Sony's. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
ChosenPredator
Banned
got to suck for anyone who is trying any camera oriented game for sony but either way id still get both even if ps4 had bundeld it in
Slappers Only
Junior Member
1,000,000 times over.You know what else is anti-consumer, Sony?
BruiserBear
Banned
The camera in the iPad adds a tiny cost to the entire device. The camera with the XB1 is a massive addition to the cost. Easily on the order of 1/5 of the price.
Again, big difference between the iPad and Kinect.
Colonel Nasty
Member
24 million people isn't a few. The camera obliviously couldn't be built into the box what's your solution on how to better implement it?
NYShotgun06
Neo Member
My friend bought the Slim 360 for Halo 4 with the 4 Gig. He wanted to play online but couldn't because multiplayer required download to be installed. He was livid when he spent (100?) more on a HDD.
Make it optional.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
You know what else is anti-consumer, Sony?
Was thinking about this
InvaderZimmer
Member
Could it be that not including peripherals in the standard sku can doom them to obscurity? Devs can just look at the camera sales and decide its not worth it to develop games that use that tech. That said adoption of new tech vs price point, price point should be prioritized every time.
MaximusPayne
Member
I think a lot of people are stretching the $100 dollars for a way more advanced camera system and OS of the Kinect. Actually the Kinect wasn't a dud. It did quite well.
Also, the Dualshock reference was that looking to the future is not a bad thing. I couldn't even think of how I used a D-pad for the things I use analog for now. I'm just saying that people are stretching what Microsoft is "trying" to do way out of proportion.
They are not forcing anyone to pay for their console so how is it anti-consumer? And like I said before, I'm a gamer and will get the PS4 first because I want to see the graphical jump and it's cheaper, but I'm going to see if Microsoft can back up the Kinect claim.
Don't be such a pessimist.
NYShotgun06
Neo Member
Although I agree with your point, the prices were ridiculous. Still is now.
Colonel Nasty
Member
Holy shit. A micro SD card costs around 60$ less for 32gb. Your telling me it costs that much to implement DRM? GTFO. It's a pure money grab. Open your eyes.
Why? They want it to be integral and integrated on a system level. You don't have to use it. That's like telling Sony I want an even cheaper PS4 so let me buy a HDD separately. Also I don't like the idea of a touchpad or the lightbar. Let me buy a cheaper DS4 without them. Unnecessary costs to me.
bigboss370
Member
They never say anti-consumer in the article.
TheBioLover
Member
Jeez, so many people mad at Sony. He's right.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
You can't put 'Forced Camera Anti-Consumer' in quotes in your headline, along with "says Sony" if no one said those words. OP and the person who wrote the article are both guilty of shitty reporting.
BruiserBear
Banned
Make it an optional accessory, exactly like it was with the 360. Like Sony is doing with their PS4 camera.
And what is the price combating? Sales.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
nothing anticonsumer about it at all.
Miles Quaritch
Member
You know what else is anti-consumer, Sony?
Yep. Sony have no right to play the anti consumer card after they pulled this shit.
It's still money that I'm being forced to pay for a feature I have no interest in.
Overall, instead of ranting/complaining, I see what other features a product has outside of something that I don't want and decide if it's still worth it. If not, I simply buy an alternative device. The whole use of the word "forced" is silly to me. No one is forcing you to spend your money. If you don't want something a device comes with to that great length then simply don't buy the device.
not_so_special
Banned
sony fucked with the memory card prices,thats a given,but psn plus aliviates that,also making your hard drive excusive ( aka 360) was also a big fuck up,i dont know sony do things in a extrange way,sometimes they do really good things ( you can change HDs,you can use bluetooth accesories,pulse headsets will work on ps4,etc,etc) and sometimes wrong things,card prices,but as i said before,i dont see many people making the same noise about apple hardware GB prices,,thats its rip off with capital letters and people seems to be ok with that
they have the right,one thing wrong doesnt evaporates their other good things
they have the right,one thing wrong doesnt evaporates their other good things
Prince Vultan
Banned
This assumes people who actually bought a 360 Kinect (For whatever reasons) would want to buy another one (Considering how bad Kinect software sold, I'm guessing not many would).
Plus, that still leaves the vast majority of 360 owners who had no interest in the device being stuck with having to pay for it if they want to keep playing on Xbox next gen. What about them?
Good thing Gara didn't play the "anti-consumer card" then, isn't it?
walltowall
Member
The reason is that Apple isn't selling the same or better memory card for another product (digital cameras) for 25% of the price. Sony does. At least in the PSP days I could use the memory stick for other things. This one is locked down NES/Famicom style.
Maybe Microsoft should just release a PS4. We can call it 'PS4: With Halo'.
The market will tell us in short order which approach was correct. Say, two years max.
Kinect will either have some cool implementations or it won't, while Move/Eye are practically stillborn from the third party pov.
Sony PR/Marketing has been on a roll, but they're skirting close to the edge with this one.
Kinect will either have some cool implementations or it won't, while Move/Eye are practically stillborn from the third party pov.
Sony PR/Marketing has been on a roll, but they're skirting close to the edge with this one.
bigboss370
Member
again, he never says anti-consumer.
he says its against consumer choice.
and with all the people yearning for a cheaper kinect-less bundle in other threads I'd say he's right.
however, MS sees Kinect as a full-on input device as much as a controller, so I don't think its wise to have a kinect-less box.
he says its against consumer choice.
and with all the people yearning for a cheaper kinect-less bundle in other threads I'd say he's right.
however, MS sees Kinect as a full-on input device as much as a controller, so I don't think its wise to have a kinect-less box.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Pretty much. they need to slash the cards down to close to SD card levels, or just redesign the damn handheld already. The cards kill vita sales.
BruiserBear
Banned
You're right about that, and that's exactly why the PS4 is going to sell a lot more than the XB1.
Anti consumer products by Sony:
- Securom
- Laptops that can't change batteries without changing the bios
- PSVita / Memory stick cards
- Walkman players that need to go through a client (they stopped this.)
- UltraViolet
- Camcorders which can only output to a codec that works in Sony Vegas
.... the list goes on.
- Securom
- Laptops that can't change batteries without changing the bios
- PSVita / Memory stick cards
- Walkman players that need to go through a client (they stopped this.)
- UltraViolet
- Camcorders which can only output to a codec that works in Sony Vegas
.... the list goes on.
maplelord93
Banned
lol
Open my eyes to what?
If the memory card was priced a lil bit lower most of you wouldnt be complaining about the proprietary memory card.
They've long since lost that record, since Apple has moved the iPhone to more carriers and started doing massive worldwide launches.
Kinect sold very well at first, but sales cratered over the next couple of years as the gimmick wore off and the games were janky and stale. 10 million sold in the first couple months, then only another 12 million sold in the 2-3 years after that.
not_so_special
Banned
apple doesnt want you to use any sd card at all,thats another "free pas" they got
you know sony computer entertainment its a very different thing than the rest of sony no? because if we gonna star about microsoft lawsuits on other fields...
Yes, it's already over! Nothing can and/or will change throughout a gen!
It's impossible for there to be future content that can make a device more appealing.
I didn't draw any conclusions based on his statements. I can make up my own mind as to what is anti-consumer, thanks. The answer will be different for everyone, I suspect. I don't need a video game executive to tell me.
Please don't tell me that you drew any conclusions from his statements. There's nothing there.
MaximusPayne
Member
24 mil is 24 mil
Know what else is anti-consumer? Charging 60 dollars for a game and then forcing consumers to pay a yearly fee to access the online portion of those 60 dollar games. Sony does it though. MS made a killing doing it. Know what else is? An account system that ties your purchases to your hardware instead of to you (Nintendo).
If you're looking for a pro-consumer hobby, gaming isn't for you. Buy from the corporation that screws you the least.
If you're looking for a pro-consumer hobby, gaming isn't for you. Buy from the corporation that screws you the least.
NYShotgun06
Neo Member
Would everyone be happier if:
The Xbox One with Kinect was 399?
The PS4 with PSEye was 399?
The Xbox One with Kinect was 399?
The PS4 with PSEye was 399?
Fess
Member
I definitely think it was removed. The light bar on the controller seems very odd both functionally and designwise without a camera. My guess is that the camera was removed sometime between the controller design was finalized and the PS4 E3 showcase, probably quite close to the latter. Media Molecule's odd game even suggests that Move controllers might've been a pack-in too originally. Seems like a waste for those guys to develop an accessory game, imo.
Miles Quaritch
Member
A little bit lower? Good one. Let's talk when they slash them by a further 50%.
MaximusPayne
Member
Of course they wouldn't....LOL
Okay. But its priced two to three times higher than the competition and does nothing better. There is no excuse. Its anti-consumer, because they're making consumers spend insane amounts of money compared to other types of cards so Sony doesn't risk their card formats getting hacked as easily.
NYShotgun06
Neo Member
Wow, that's retarded. Nice job Nintendo.