Opus Angelorum
Member
The PS4 with Killzone Mercenary is £400. The Xbox One with Forza 5 is £429.
Is £30 that big a pull? I don't know.
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Forced Camera inclusion "against consumer choice"' Says Sony
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The PS4 with Killzone Mercenary is £400. The Xbox One with Forza 5 is £429.
Is £30 that big a pull? I don't know.
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Colonel Nasty
Member
It should not be there in the first place. Use a universal standard memory card. Period. And if your not going to, change inline with similar products. They are ripping people off plain and simple. DRM is not a 60$ pill you should shallow because it's best for Sony. Your basically defending always online. It's was there to prevent piracy and was also for profit reasons.
Horsemama1956
Member
hi im sony I say the things everyone wants to hear as im desperate for your money
R3TRO
Member
Basically.
SoldierGryphon
Banned
How could anyone see this as anything other than Sony playing it up. It's not like they actually care.
Anyways, Microsoft's focus on Kinect was always a big mistake. Microsoft seemed completely oblivious to the fact that it had developed an incredible amount of hate by core gamers. Should have focused on specs.
Anyways, Microsoft's focus on Kinect was always a big mistake. Microsoft seemed completely oblivious to the fact that it had developed an incredible amount of hate by core gamers. Should have focused on specs.
sixteen-bit
Member
so are proprietary memory cards.
NYShotgun06
Neo Member
We would be on another debate on why we are bundled with it.
In the end, we all feel entitled but still buy the product.
Fornaximus
Member
Yeah, Microsoft channel stuffed themselves into the record books at launch, and it sold a couple units in the years that followed, but it was a total dud for actual use in gaming. I can't name a single Kinect game I'd want to spend an afternoon playing. The thing is terrible. We've had 3 years of "the future" according to Microsoft, and it is painfully useless for gaming.
They are forcing you to pay an extra $100 for a camera that likely has a bright future in dust collection if you decide to buy their console. Sony is not forcing you to buy a camera you probably don't want when you buy their console. It's your choice to buy some gimmicks and have less fun with your PS4.
Stick with the SD cards if you wanna bust Sony's balls over anti-consumer practices. That shit is bananas.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I agree with Sony on this one. I'll likely not buy a Xbox One until they unbundle Kinect.
PanicFreak
Member
Are you kidding?
You can get a 32GB SD card on amazon right now for $20. It costs $78 for a PS Vita 32GB card. You're paying 300 percent more. This isn't a "lil bit" more.
Huh?
Alright, if Sony priced the 32GB and 64B at $10 and $15 most of you would not be bitching about the memory card.
I think all this "muh freedumbs ain't respected by Sony due to this proprietary nonsense" is more of a price issue
NYShotgun06
Neo Member
Wouldn't matter to me personally. At the end, the console with the games you want is what really matters.
I'm excited for Killzone: Shadow Fall, btw.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Stating the obvious.
Not like it matters but the exact wording is "to force bundle a camera is probably against consumer choice".
Saying it like that is more sound than what the TC put up there.
Not like it matters but the exact wording is "to force bundle a camera is probably against consumer choice".
Saying it like that is more sound than what the TC put up there.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Pricing a product much higher than it should be is the definition of anti-consumer.
Agree.
I think it's down to what game(s) you want to play.
Except that their approach with the PS4 actually supports their statement. They did not design the system around a camera that many do not even want. It's optional, like it has always been.
not_so_special
Banned
for sure,this whole "because your memory card are expensive you cant say that or this" its nonsense
and only good thing? let me see.psn pluys,vita price ( yeah..vita price i still remember when everybody and his dog believe vita was going to cost 400 bucks) free online on vita,you can change HDs on ps3 and ps4,wheels and headsets will work from ps3 to ps4,bluetooth accesories works ( keyboards,headsets)etc etc
let me see microsoft,online paywall since the first day ,you need to buy expensive propietary hard drives,bluetooth accesories dont work on the go,netflix,youtube,etc behind a paywall
yes...vita card are expensive as hell,...thats doesnt change all of the above
xbox with forza 500 euros ps4 with killzone,and two dualshocks 500 euros
maybe you forget something
BruiserBear
Banned
I guess we're going to see how many people want to pay extra for a device that might become more appealing over time.
Could you be any more disingenuous? The PS4 is offered without a game, so why would you try and compare those price points? No one has to buy a PS4 with Killzone.
chancellor
Member
It is nice that I am not paying extra for a gadget I will only use once and will then be forgotten
It's not the same. Kinect isn't a peripheral, it's required for the console to have full functionality.
It would be like shipping without the controller.
NYShotgun06
Neo Member
Makes sense. Lets not tell anyone what they want to hear. It not like we want money after all.
I believe he's saying that part of Sony's strategy is to paint MS in a negative light so that consumers will give them money for their product instead. It's working and it's a good strategy, but it doesn't change the fact that it's laughable for Sony to even hint at some other company being anti-consumer. They didn't actually say that in this interview, but TC needed to be as inflammatory as possible I guess.
Price is part of it bring anti-consumer! They are making consumers spent two to three times the price of other cards so Sony doesn't get their cards hacked as easily.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
It would have been really interesting if MS never sold Kinect for the 360. Imagine the fucking hype if it had been introduced for the X1, especially with something like the Milo demo. The gaming world would collectively shit itself, and that $100 difference would look so meaningless.
Alas, Kinect came out on the 360 and wasn't properly supported, leaving a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth.
Alas, Kinect came out on the 360 and wasn't properly supported, leaving a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth.
Good thing they never actually said that in the article.
Just your typical guy spinning Sony's statement.
JetSetRadio
Banned
I definitely don't need another company to spell it out for me, but they are right.
Opus Angelorum
Member
True, however a PS4 with any game will be £400. I'm suggesting the bundled Forza 5 makes the perceived price much closer.
I wasn't being disingenuous.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Of course it's a price issue. No-one would care if they priced them properly, it's a disgusting cash grab and one that's becoming harder to accept (as if it wasn't hard enough already) as games start to have 1gb patches...looking at you KZ: Mercs.
Sure it's only one game right now, but it's only a matter of time until more games come with similarly large patches.
not_so_special
Banned
thats its the funny thing..he never says that,he mentions consumer choice
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Kinect had more than enough support. How you can say that is rather baffling. The difference now is that they are putting it in every box so people have to cling to it. Kinect wasn't useful or practical for most games and that's not changing no matter how much anyone wants to defend other qualities such as UI or voice commands.
I don't really have much wiggle room in terms of finding Kinect acceptable for games. I want to control things with something physical that I'm holding.
MaximusPayne
Member
I actually thought the Kinect did quite well for running off of 512 mb and 3 cores but if you say so...yea...forcing and decide in the same sentence...you're funny man
My point wasn't about what Microsoft has done wrong, I don't bother touching on that anymore since it's not a fight worth fighting. I'm just saying why should we ignore something if it's clearly just a money grab despite all these other benefits? I get that there's a whole lot of good to come from psn and sony in General but there's occasionally some real crappy decisions too. Why not bring those up in a discussion they lead about lack of customer choice?
Not sure if you got the memo or not, but MS pulled the Kinect requirement. The reason they won't pull the camera now is because it's the one thing that differentiates them from the PS4. Without it, they're just a 30-50 percent weaker console with Halo.
Every (or the vast majority) system function can be done with a controller, so they are forcing people to buy a peripheral that isn't even necessary if they want to get an Xbox One.
BruiserBear
Banned
But it's not a legitimate comparison. One is forcing a bundle upon you, and the other is not. So yes, if you wanted Forza, that XB1 bundle is fine. If you don't, well, you're paying for a game you don't want. None of that happens with a PS4 purchase, and it's still cheaper even after you buy a game.
walltowall
Member
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Well, Sony is betting that Kinect2 will not make an impact, it will be interesting to see how this develops, no one can know exactly what will happen and what kind of ideas can be realised.
One thing is certain...
Any type of gameplay that can be done on PS4 can be replicated on Xbox One.
Any type of gameplay that can be done on Xbox One, cannot be replicated on PS4.
Kinect2 can help Xbox One or it can crash Xbox One..
Time will tell but there are more gameplay posibilities with Xbox One, this point cannot be argued against..
One thing is certain...
Any type of gameplay that can be done on PS4 can be replicated on Xbox One.
Any type of gameplay that can be done on Xbox One, cannot be replicated on PS4.
Kinect2 can help Xbox One or it can crash Xbox One..
Time will tell but there are more gameplay posibilities with Xbox One, this point cannot be argued against..
It's the truth. Kinect isn't a peripheral. It's required for the Xbox One to have full functionality. It would be like shipping without a controller.
I see that now. Thread title says it and the article infers it in a better worded way...still, I don't agree with the premise. No one has to buy an XB1. I feel better about getting Kinect knowing that it's standard across all users. I really hope MS uses it for something unique. I would prefer next gen to be more than a gpu upgrade.
What functions of the system require the Kinect to accomplish?
Fess
Member
Isn't MS kind of doing the same thing on 360 though? I've had to do license transfer everytime I've had to replace the console, first time I had to do it manually with the help of the telephone support, without the transfer every game turned into trial versions if I was offline.
You know what else is anti-consumer, Sony?
Yeah, how exactly do you reconcile that statement with PS Vita's proprietary shits?