Phrozenflame500
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The only one I don't hate in this situation in TB.
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G2A accuses Gearbox of 'defamatory statements' and says it won't change its business
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LordOcidax
Member
Same as Jim...
Oh man, I'd love it if they were stupid enough to do that, cause then they'd have to prove that it's not true. It would be worth a laugh to see them spin their shady behavior in court.
If we're talking about Jim Sterling, he doesn't take pleasure in harassing others nor does he harass people. He made it clear many times that he hates harassment (he's a victim of constant harassment himself) and always tells his audience to not do that shit.
KaoteK
Member
WTF, love him or loathe him, Jim is against harassment of any kind and is an unapologetic humanist/liberal.
Really? In what way can they even been compared. I guess they are both consumer advocates, but that's about where the similarities end.
Wasn't a month or two ago there a grey CD key thread on here where everyone was defending cdkeys.com and G2A with an employee even speaking out about both saying the keys were legit or something?
Did I miss something, what happend to prove G2A have stolen illegal keys?
Did I miss something, what happend to prove G2A have stolen illegal keys?
cdkeys.com exploits region pricing. They are much different than G2A. G2A is a marketplace where anyone can just dump tons of keys to make a quick buck, whether or not they're legit.
I know he came off like a gigantic ass every time he talked about gamergate, but I still haven't ever been able to see him talk about jontron's racism. I keep seeing people talk about it but no one has ever posted what he actually said. Googling it turns up nothing (or I googly weakly.)
Allnamestakenlol
Member
She chews popcorn weird. Lol
Masterspeed
Member
I don't know if I was uninformed when I was younger in the 90s era of Vidja, but did this type of shit happen back then?
It seems like the video game industry is a lot more fucking shady than it was back then.
It seems like the video game industry is a lot more fucking shady than it was back then.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
G2A is saying they refund fraudulent keys at their own cost? This is the company that sells you insurance for your purchase. Without it I don't think you get a refund at all.
metalshade
Member
In regards to TB, I think a lot of people confuse advocating freedom of speech, with supporting the contents of that speech.
Everyone has a right to their own opinions, but that does not mean that their opinions are correct.
Supporting freedom of speech applies universally, whether the content of that speech is the truth, or just hate speech drivel.
People seem to (wilfully?) confuse the issue.
Everyone has a right to their own opinions, but that does not mean that their opinions are correct.
Supporting freedom of speech applies universally, whether the content of that speech is the truth, or just hate speech drivel.
People seem to (wilfully?) confuse the issue.
Where the hell did that come from.
What did he mean by this...?
PerfectFlaw
Member
As much as I hate to say it, Gearbox could personally slap me and kick my dog, and I would still be there day 1 for Borderlands 3.
Still, they knew what they were getting into. It's like ordering a hot dog then getting mad at the vendor when he gives you a weenie. Kinda silly.
The Imperium of Man versus the Forces of Chaos?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Weltall Zero
Member
If anything this goes to show how things have gotten worse, as arguably Nintendo (if not all console manufacturers) still do this and nobody seems to care, let alone care enough to investigate and fine them. :/
tkscz
Member
Opinions by their very nature are never right nor wrong, they simply are thoughts personal to a person, whether you agree with them or not do not make them right or wrong.
OT: Two terrible companies are fighting and nothing of value is gained from it, besides a tiny bit of entertainment.
Gearbox apologist that can't see past BL2 confirmed. Hilarious.
Lord of Ostia
Member
Gearbox deserves their bad reputation tbh, from Randy Pitchford's shameless lying and constant bullshitting, to the laughable marketing for Battleborn, to their insistence on charging $60 % for a remaster of a game which has been available for $5 in bargain bins since months after release, to the whole Aliens: Colonial Marines debacle, the stolen artstyle for Borderlands, the 'girlfriend mode' crap, etc. etc. They just do a lot of scummy, underhanded, or just plain stupid shit constantly, and the games they make aren't nearly good enough to justify it. Not that making good games justifies shitty behavior, but some people would be willing to forgive them for that.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
On GAF maybe, but GAF isn't as important as you might think it is in the grand scheme of things.
Lord of Ostia
Member
This is true, go on r/gaming and post about Borderlands 2 and I'm sure most comments won't be Gearbox hatred.
mugurumakensei
Member
Capcom? Other than Mega-Man fans, who hates Capcom?
I think they have a point. The secondary market for game keys isn't inherently wrong at all, even if some aspects of how G2A run their business are distateful.
I don't really understand why people don't like the existence of a secondary market for game keys, but are fine with eBay, Amazon marketplace etc.
I don't really understand why people don't like the existence of a secondary market for game keys, but are fine with eBay, Amazon marketplace etc.
I don't think people necessarily have an opposition to the existence of a secondary market for unusued keys. I mean, that's a chunk of what the B/S/T thread in GAF is. What people are opposed to is the exploitation of such a market to abuse careless consumers. If you are reselling keys, it helps to know where it comes from and whether it is in danger of being revoked. Amazon and eBay don't encourage and facilitate the sale of stolen or fraudulent goods. They have buyer protection as part of the base service. G2A allows an "open" market for keys knowing that there is an inherent danger, and puts the burden on the consumer to pay them MORE money to gain protection in a market which G2A deliberately chooses not to police. So no, they don't really have a point. It's all deflection.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Do we need to get some boxing gloves for these guys?
Triggerhappytel
Member
He talked about it in two Soundcloud recordings maybe a week after the JonTron stuff happened. I'll see if I can find the links.
He expected them not to and therefore show they have no intention at all to clean up there act. This all also should put off any other major publisher or studio from partnering with G2A in the future, after the shit show the 1st one caused.
TheVoidDragon
Member
I'm a bit surprised G2A even bothered to reply to this, but there was no way they were actually going to do anything other than deny it all anyway.
"harassing others"? I've not seen anything about that before, can you explain?
"harassing others"? I've not seen anything about that before, can you explain?
Yup. Fuck this guy.
In general, he was an asshole during Gamergate. 100% with them while refusing to just come out and say it. Dog piling on their harassment targets while giving GG figureheads uncritical interviews and promotion. Attacking any media companies (e.g. his competitors) that stood up against gamergate.
TotalBiscuit was a prominent figure of the Gamergate, a well known harassment and attack campaign against women and minorities in the games industry under the guise of "ethics in game journalism". Even after the evidence grew more and more what the whole thing was really about, he kept his foot on the ground and defended the group, even going as far as to say their most targeted victim, Anita Sarkeesian, is lying about her harassment and death threats because, and I quote, "Anita is still breathing."
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Pretty much everyone who knows how they operate.
Hell, I remember a time when they were one of the most hated companies in gaming. MML3 really got the ball rolling in that direction.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I do not understand why people hate Anita Sarkeesian so much. I guess there's an enormous contingent of immature pricks who don't like the truths she says? I mean, it's perfectly possible to enjoy games while acknowledging that they contain plenty of poor depictions of women (as well as race and minorities in general).
It's because they're too attached to their products that any criticism of their toys is seen as an attack of their person, just look at how emotionally invested a lot of gamers when it comes to console wars.
When Anita says that X thing is an overused sexist troupe in Y game, they think that Anita is saying they are sexists because they like Y game and feel personally attacked by her. Then they fall into the Alt-Right's indoctrination of the "SJW".
"It's not you, it's her." they say, "She's a radical feminist who won't stop at nothing to take your favorite games and censoring it completely." Then when something like a very titillating Japanese volleyball game doesn't get localized in the west or a bit of cleavage gets covered up, they feel vindicated in their hate believing it was her and others like her that did this.
BrutishMrFish
Member
People don't seem to understand that TotalBiscuit doesn't do the bolded and never has.
Attacking media outlets for doing their jobs by reporting on PewDiePie and JonTron is not advocating free speech. Saying that people should moderate their language when talking about people who are running a harassment campaign to kick women out of the games industry is not advocating free speech. Saying that it's fine to avoid biased interviews and then being snide when someone refuses to be in a round-table discussion with someone who harassed them is not advocating free speech.
Just because he says that he does something doesn't mean you have to be stupid enough to take him at face value.
Was he a prominent figure? I've heard him speak about it crudely and long-windedly, but never as a figurehead for it. Actually, until the Jontron thing happened, I'd never even seen people say this stuff about him. I've never been a huge fan of his but I keep seeing him associated with stuff that I can't find via google/reddit/whatever (like his comments on Jontron.) I try to make a habit of not believing stuff without seeing it since the internet can be a big game of telephone sometimes.
Drillary Clinton
Banned
This is the most Gearbox thing that could happen. Borderlands 3, coming soon!
So gearbox, a trash company who makes mostly trash, teams up with a known shady website on purpose
I'm sure there was no ulterior motive intitially besides "sweet, sweet G2A money"
And now gearbox is suddenly taking a stand against them? Lolok. At least own how shady the decision was and follow through.
"Wow G2A does some shady shit with money! Here are my demands, I don't life in a glass house"
I'm sure there was no ulterior motive intitially besides "sweet, sweet G2A money"
And now gearbox is suddenly taking a stand against them? Lolok. At least own how shady the decision was and follow through.
"Wow G2A does some shady shit with money! Here are my demands, I don't life in a glass house"
TheVoidDragon
Member
Weren't there two sides to Gamergate, though? The side who were actually concerned about the whole "ethics in game journalism" thing (even if in the end if the reason turned out to be incorrect), and the other side that just used it as an excuse to attack others? From what i've seen TotalBiscuit was part of the first group, not one of the ones that attacked others. I don't really understand how that's automatically a bad unless he was actually outright defending the ones who harassed others rather than just the ethics side of it. With that quote though i was under the impression he meant "credible" in the sense of "they were empty threats", not that she was lying about receiving them. He said some of the ones he'd received before were "credible" because they included his address and stuff like that, but i can see how he worded it very poorly. Maybe I've missed something but that's how what he said came across to me. Obviously it doesn't make that she received them any better either way, it's still a terrible thing that no-one deserves.
Regardless of that, even if he has said some bad things before, that doesn't mean his efforts to do something beneficial to the industry in this G2A/Gearbox situation suddenly don't matter and aren't a good thing. Even if you don't like him, there isn't anything he's said in this circumstance that comes across as a negative thing and it's not like what he's said in the past makes any difference to what he's said about G2A/Gearbox.
BrutishMrFish
Member
No, the two sides to GamerGate were the people who wanted to harass others and the people who thought the ends justified the means. It's bad in the same sense that someone who cares about road cleanliness joining the KKK because they adopt highways is bad.
TotalBiscuit downplayed the fact that GamerGate was mostly about harassing women every chance he got while doing as little as possible to address the fact that he latched on to a fledgling hate group. At best, he's a slimeball who can't take any responsibility for his stupidity.
On the contrary, it does make a difference. Being an unethical, hypocritical shithead while saying that an unethical, hypocritical company should reform just poisons the well and makes the people who actually care look worse by association.