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TheSadRanger
Banned
I've unlocked 6 of the secondary jobs so I'm good, prefer to find em without looking at a guide though. Tressa's thief outfit is dope.
I almost got all of the Ch.2 quests done except I'm working on Alfyn's Ch.2 and he's lvl 10 while the rest of my party is 35 -_- and I've yet to do a ch.3 quest. Cyrus is just too OP to ever remove from the group and I started with Ophilia.
Shaqazooloo
Member
Just looking at the trailer I'm not sure why its rated AO, seems fairly tame.
I think it might've came out around the time of a mass shooting or something.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Not 100% sure, but I don’t think there was. I think it was just the main character’s mass shooter motives, plus the usual suspects needing something to virtue signal about. This was at the height of their power, so they’d basically go off on anything, when pushback had only started to exist, so they were a bit more egregious.
And yeah, I really think the rating is just political, rather than anything of substance. This is the rating reserved for full on porn or violence on the most sickening levels, which this doesn’t come close to, so yeah.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
Hatred on a Nintendo console? Shit, the most family friendly company in the biz is doing a complete 180 in terms of content. Nintendo just don't give a fuck.
The game looks pretty edgelord with it's rampant violence and teenage angsty misanthropic view on the world. I remember the creators trying to hype it up as being an important piece in counter culture art.
The game looks pretty edgelord with it's rampant violence and teenage angsty misanthropic view on the world. I remember the creators trying to hype it up as being an important piece in counter culture art.
cabbage5k2
Member
And god bless them for learning from their mistakes from the WiiU era, if not how they behaved in the earlier Yamauchi days.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Game is pretty meh. You can do more evil shit on any of Bethesda's games. It was totally made in mind for the edgy people since shootings were a hot topic then yes.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
It's ridiculous and frustrating how this game was banned in many places. It shows how worthless the notion of games as 'art' is: As soon as something immoral is offered, it gets banned. Even though many people (myself included) play video games precisely *because* they want to do stuff they'd never do irl.
Killing civilians? Super fun in GTA4/5. Harassing Kasumi in DoX3VR? Nice! Hypothetically (because there isn't ...) doing much worse stuff? Great! - and then you stop playing games and, heureka, continue being a normal, polite human being. Because video games don't make you a worse person, since video games aren't advertised as educational (unless they specifically are).
Really, I want video games to feature all and any content some creator's fantasy can come up with. And sometimes that's horrible/immoral stuff. And that's okay, too. Because it's fictional.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Switch e-shop still sucks balls compared to the Wii, Wii-U, and 3DS e-shop.
Like how the fuck did we get such a massive downgrade.
Lionel Richie
Member
Outrageous-sensei!!!! Welcome back friend, hope you're being kind to those poor animal villagers.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Disagree on DOAX3VR. I am absolutely down for some IRL sexual harassment.
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Woopah
Member
I can see it coming out March 2021. We'll probably get first gameplay at their June Direct but the focus will be on 2020 games.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
Normally I'd complain and call 'doom'. But considering the corona situation, just putting out some Mario-games this year is a very smart lineup choice:
- low risk/low budget
- 'feel good' games people will buy during these times
- Mario-games are actually good/great games, too
I'll take Xenoblade DE in May and try to be happy with that for the remainder of the year. 2021 better be epic, though.
- low risk/low budget
- 'feel good' games people will buy during these times
- Mario-games are actually good/great games, too
I'll take Xenoblade DE in May and try to be happy with that for the remainder of the year. 2021 better be epic, though.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Oh we know
Woopah
Member
Normally I'd complain and call 'doom'. But considering the corona situation, just putting out some Mario-games this year is a very smart lineup choice:
- low risk/low budget
- 'feel good' games people will buy during these times
- Mario-games are actually good/great games, too
I'll take Xenoblade DE in May and try to be happy with that for the remainder of the year. 2021 better be epic, though.
The Mario platformers and Paper Mario were planned for release in 2020 for years so I don't think it's based on the current situation.
I think we'll get 3 other releases apart from those games, so there should be something to look forward to.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
How many Switch-games do you own?
Currently I have 19 physical with my 20th coming in the weekend (DK Tropical Freeze)
And then I have 7 digital games.
I prefer physical all the way. I think I always will. The downside is that a lot of Switch games doesn't end up on a cart or they are hard to find.
Currently I have 19 physical with my 20th coming in the weekend (DK Tropical Freeze)
And then I have 7 digital games.
I prefer physical all the way. I think I always will. The downside is that a lot of Switch games doesn't end up on a cart or they are hard to find.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
Dam son, impressive. I don't think I will be accumulating that many titles, I usually end up around 50 when the gen is over, but the constant influx of great games is hard to resist. This might be my biggest library yet.
Regarding Bioshock. Are you buying physical? Was wondering if you know how the download will be. I read that all three games intro levels will be on the cart and that you will download the rest, like a patch, instead of 1-time codes. If this is the case I might get the physical since it will not diminish the value on the game if I resell it.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
Maybe, but depends.
I can see a hardcore title like Bayonetta 3 release this year. But any big open world-games like Monolith Soft's medieval a-rpg and BotW 2 - no chance, Nintendo won't risk their sales.
Let's go with suggestion: Which 3 unannounced non-Mario games are likely for a 2020 release?
My guess:
- Bayonetta 3
- Fire Emblem-remake
- Mario Golf ... ah fuck. Maybe ... no, no idea
3rd-party guesses:
- Final Fantasy 13
- Code Vein
- Mass Effect trilogy
- Nier Automata
- Kingdom Hearts 1.5 and 2.5
nordique
Member
Hmm - I have 20 with a 21st on the way (Saints Row 4) physical
Digital I have 7 as well, though I did purchase two more just now (for a combined total of 50 cents lol)
By far the most games I've had for a console in a long time, very surprising to me. I don't think I have owned more than 20 physical games for one system before at once (I have traditionally traded in games and only had a handful at a time)
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StormCell
Member
Firstly, what do you mean by "risk their sales?"
Secondly, I WISH we would get the Mass Effect Trilogy on Switch. That's another item I've been waiting for.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
Monolith Soft's games are massive, but not that big sellers. Corona hurting it would be bad. BotW2 would sell well, either way, but Nintendo might want to maximize sales (10 mio are nice, too, but selling closer to 20 mio is preferable).
A game like Bayonetta 3, however, has its established, fixed fanbase. Corona won't really impact it.
Ikr. But it's EA, so I almost wanted to add a 'lol' behind that guess.
Hosam6xavi
Banned
I don't think Zelda BOTW 2 will be this year
After Mario 35 anniversary remake/remaster games leaked it's safe to say it's going to be the holiday game of this year
nintendo is not going to release Mario and Zelda game in the same year .. they are not desperate like it was in 2017
Mario game in October/November - monolith soft game in December just like the first year of switch
After Mario 35 anniversary remake/remaster games leaked it's safe to say it's going to be the holiday game of this year
nintendo is not going to release Mario and Zelda game in the same year .. they are not desperate like it was in 2017
Mario game in October/November - monolith soft game in December just like the first year of switch
StormCell
Member
It could very well go like that. My only hang up about it is that it would be nice for BotW 2 to release while Switch is going strong. My slightly controversial opinion is that the original Switch isn't a piece of hardware that needs to be Nintendo's flagship hardware for 5 years, and it would be better if BotW 2 was either a launch title for the Switch's successor or if it released while the Switch still has a lot of healthy wind in its sails.
Just my 2-cents. Sandbagging Zelda, Metroid Prime, Bayo 3, etc. into year 4.... I think a lot of Switch owners are going to be hungry for some next-gen Switch hardware and not just more games.
Woopah
Member
Looking at rumours and what teams Nintendo use, I think at least 3 of these are coming this year:
Metroid 5 from MercurySteam & EPD7
New IP or Arms 2 from EPD9
Pikmin 3 DX from EPD10 and Arzest
Pokémon spinoff from Genius Sorority (this one could be an eshop gane
Bayonetta 3.
I can definitely see Mario Golf and MonolithSoft's new IP in 2021 and Fire Emblem remake in 2022.
2020 will be the peak year for Switch sales so it has lots of wind left in it. We'll get other hardware revisions but I don't think a successor is coming until 2023 at the very earliest.
StormCell
Member
I think that would be a mistake. They've had the window for revisions and released a Switch lite. There was demand for a Pro version, but that time will pass soon. Switch needs a full iterative step forward sooner than 2023. Being on mobile hardware, it would be better if they could release incremental hardware improvements on a faster cadence.
Woopah
Member
I'm curious, what makes you think the time for revisions has passed? 3DS peaked in its 2nd year in the market and was supported for over 7 years (with the Switch coming after 6 years) and got several new revisions
Switch has yet to reach its peak and is following a very similar sales trajectory to the PS4. There's still a lot of room for price cuts and I don't see Nintendo replacing it until after shipments fall below 15 million a year.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
If not for corona, I'd have said a new Switch for 2021 is a lock. Pro or '2', not that that distinction necessarily matters.
A Switch 2 only in 2023 earliest would imo imply that there are severe problems with Nvidia's nextgen mobile gpu or an argument between them and Nintendo regarding the financial deal. 2023 would be awfully far in the future.
Stuff we'll have by 2023:
- New Elder Scrolls
- GTA6
- FF16
- VR featuring eye-tracking
- nextgen post 1st price drop
- rumors about new hardware (PS5 Pro/Xbox Series XX)
- New PC gpus outclassing nextgen consoles by a lot
- Evangelion 5.0
The point: Switch in 2022 and later will feel really old and cheap lowres ports like Bandai Namco does with their anime games will no longer be acceptable for much of the audience. Basically, Switch will regress into a Nintendo-only system, except we won't get a 3rd BotW, the only big games will be coming from Monolith Soft.
Could 2023 turn out true for new Nintendo hardware? Maybe. But I'd really hate it and think it'd be underestimating the market reality. Switch is unique because you can play 'big games' on-the-go. Can't let the gap become too big to the point where games are too big to release on Switch.
A Switch 2 only in 2023 earliest would imo imply that there are severe problems with Nvidia's nextgen mobile gpu or an argument between them and Nintendo regarding the financial deal. 2023 would be awfully far in the future.
Stuff we'll have by 2023:
- New Elder Scrolls
- GTA6
- FF16
- VR featuring eye-tracking
- nextgen post 1st price drop
- rumors about new hardware (PS5 Pro/Xbox Series XX)
- New PC gpus outclassing nextgen consoles by a lot
- Evangelion 5.0
The point: Switch in 2022 and later will feel really old and cheap lowres ports like Bandai Namco does with their anime games will no longer be acceptable for much of the audience. Basically, Switch will regress into a Nintendo-only system, except we won't get a 3rd BotW, the only big games will be coming from Monolith Soft.
Could 2023 turn out true for new Nintendo hardware? Maybe. But I'd really hate it and think it'd be underestimating the market reality. Switch is unique because you can play 'big games' on-the-go. Can't let the gap become too big to the point where games are too big to release on Switch.
StormCell
Member
There are two reasons that come to mind right away. First, longer platform cycles are usually supported (at least in part) by the unrealized potential of the hardware. Switch's potential has been fully realized. It was fully realized almost right away. What magic is really left at this point? Switch's current strength is in its unique positioning as the intersection of two platforms (console, handheld). There is some amount of parity at the moment with the current home consoles, but eventually this is going to run out and so will Nintendo's catalog of new titles to release on the current platform. This leads to my second thought.
The last time Nintendo had a moderately priced and unique proposition in the market, it dominated through its first three years. There was a bunch of talk about extending the console's life back then, too, but the fact is that the Wii began to experience huge declines in sales during that fourth year (21% decline) and went into massive decline after. I realize there are a various opinions on why this happened ranging from losing mainstream interest (fad) to Nintendo all-but-totally-abandoning the Nintendo crowd. In the end, my biased opinion is the Wii ran out of magic, ran out of new Nintendo games, and became a tired out-of-date piece of hardware that not even a new Zelda could salvage.
The Switch is too good to allow to wither on the vine. This is a killer product that deserves new breaths of life every 3-4 years via new, much-more-powerful models. OG Switch can live on for 6-7 years with new fully compatible titles continuing to release, but playing them on Switch 2 opens up benefits and upgrades and access to a new generation of Nintendo first party titles. Don't let Switch die because it's a 2 GB RAM sub-teraflop piece of hardware that handheld enthusiasts are expecting will be the flagship for 7 WHOLE YEARS.
PS. I came back to applaud your points about the sales trajectory being similar to PS4 as I think that's all sound logic considering how the PS4's long tail has been really impressive. The thing about the PS4 is that the mainstream third party market is helping to carry the PS4 whereas I believe Nintendo will have to make a lot of effort to keep Switch relevant to third parties. Switch is seeing ports of older games, but when this runs dry publishers will have to consider making virtually exclusive efforts to continue to support the Switch. I believe we will see it happen in 2021 as PS4/XB1 begin to lose a lot more support. 2022 could be rough without new substantially improved hardware (ie. not a New or a Pro but a leap forward) releasing.
PPS. Price reductions when much newer hardware is on the market is like tossing a $150 GameCube up against an Xbox 360 -- how exciting is that?
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Lionel Richie
Member
Why? If the Switch continues to outsell Sony hardware (not to mention Microsoft, I don't want to be cruel) in Japan by like 10 to 1, why do you think japanese developers will just abandon the Switch? Why would they feel forced to do so? Do you think they hate money?
StormCell
Member
Who are we talking about?
Capcom
Square-Enix
SEGA
Namco Bandai
KOEI-TECMO
Konami
I already feel like the above doesn't give the Switch the kind of priority support you would expect for a platform that outselling its competition 10-to-1 in Japan. FCOL, WTF is my portable Romance of the Three Kingdsoms, dammit?!
Woopah
Member
But the big games on the go that are pushing the Switch are from Nintendo, not third parties. Big same day multiplats between PS4/XB1 and Switch are very few and aren't responsible for the console's success.
In 2022 Switch will be getting Nintendo first party games, indie games, Japanese A and AA games and few to none AAA games, same as now.
Why would missing out on FF16, GTA 6 and Elder Scrolls 6 hurt more than missing out on Kingdom Hearts 3, RDR2 and Fallout 4?
For your first point I actually think that's a reason to launch later. It will be much easier for Nintendo to have hardware capable of PS5 ports at an attractive price in 2023 or 2024 than it will in 2021.
I fully agree with you about the death of the Wii. The number of big releases from Nintendo really dried up after 2010 as they had to move on to support the 3DS and Wii U launches in consecutive years. Now that Nintendo doesn't have to support two launches I expect support in the 2nd half of Switch's life to be wayyyy better than past Nintendo consoles.
Most of Nintendo's studios/partners have released 1 new game on Switch and expect all of them to release at least 2 before the successor comes. As you said Wii declined 21 per cent in its 4th year and it still lasted 6 years. Depending on supply I expect Switch to be 5 to 10 per cent up in its 4th year.
Regarding price, $99 GameCube wasn't exciting Vs a 360, but a $179 3DS was exciting Vs a XB1. I think Switch and the other consoles have a fundamentally different value proposition and don't affect each other too much.
As an aside, thank you both for making such detailed posts
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Lionel Richie
Member
All of those companies have supported the Switch in some capacity. There's a clear tech limit on the kind of third party support you can expect on a significantly weaker hardware, but that is already in place and it had no effect on the market for the Switch.
Tesseract
Banned
OutrageousFacts
Banned
As someone who's been following weekly Japanese sales for over 20 years, it's hard not to burst out in laughter replying to this, so pls cut me some slack.
I'm laughing because of 2 reasons mainly:
1.) Japanese developers have never not abandoned Switch (ignoring small productions like visual novels) *despite* it dominating the sales since its launch over 3 years ago. I remember all the popular excuses for the lacking support: 2017: 'Nobody expected the Switch' success'; 2018: 'games take time' + 'this started development before the Switch existed; 2019: '...' (the year when Switcher 3 shut people up and Bandai Namco announced a new Tales of-game *not* for Switch). It's 2020 now and support for big or medium sized productions is non-existent or relegated to cheap anime cash-ins. I would have mentioned Square Enix as a positive exception, but then they had to announce a Nier remaster *not* for Switch
. 2.) Yes, some publishers/developers *do* 'hate money'. This is the generation where we found out that the whole 'companies aren't fanboys, they make rational business decisions' is untrue. The elephant in the room is the still shocking lack of Persona 5. But then you also have Nihon Falcom who'd litera'ly rather go bankrupt than directly develop for Switch. You have the Danganronpa dev post a picture asking 'why is nobody buying a Vita?' instead of putting their games on Switch. And so on. Some publishers/developers hate money, indeed.
But back to the original point: As I said, the gap from Switch to PS5 will be too big imo. I already saw that with God Eater 3. A beautiful game on PS4. On Switch, you cannot see the characters' faces unless you stand next to a wall and force the camera close, because the game is *that* lowres. It's a cheap port, but that's exactly the kind of port Japanese 3rd-parties deliver, unless they're SE porting DQ11 with real effort put into. With PS5, the difference will be so noticeable that people will refuse to support these ports and/or publishers/developers stop producing them. That wouldn't be an issue if devs made games for Switch first, then added bells and wistles to PS5-versions, but they do it the opposite way: make games for ps4 first, then downport to Switch, which is extremely difficult when the ps4 is the base. That's when we see ugly lowres ports like God Eater 3 Switch.
Switch could continue for longer, but I'm convinced that Japanese publishers/developers don't care to help make that possible. Instead they'll be there day 1 with full support for PS5 - a console that will likely sell even worse than the ps4.
But the big games on the go that are pushing the Switch are from Nintendo, not third parties. Big same day multiplats between PS4/XB1 and Switch are very few and aren't responsible for the console's success.
In 2022 Switch will be getting Nintendo first party games, indie games, Japanese A and AA games and few to none AAA games, same as now.
Why would missing out on FF16, GTA 6 and Elder Scrolls 6 hurt more than missing out on Kingdom Hearts 3, RDR2 and Fallout 4?
For your first point I actually think that's a reason to launch later. It will be much easier for Nintendo to have hardware capable of PS5 ports at an attractive price in 2023 or 2024 than it will in 2021.
I fully agree with you about the death of the Wii. The number of big releases from Nintendo really dried up after 2010 as they had to move on to support the 3DS and Wii U launches in consecutive years. Now that Nintendo doesn't have to support two launches I expect support in the 2nd half of Switch's life to be wayyyy better than past Nintendo consoles.
Most of Nintendo's studios/partners have released 1 new game on Switch and expect all of them to release at least 2 before the successor comes. As you said Wii declined 21 per cent in its 4th year and it still lasted 6 years. Depending on supply I expect Switch to be 5 to 10 per cent up in its 4th year.
Regarding price, $99 GameCube wasn't exciting Vs a 360, but a $179 3DS was exciting Vs a XB1. I think Switch and the other consoles have a fundamentally different value proposition and don't affect each other too much.
As an aside, thank you both for making such detailed posts
OutrageousFacts
Banned
Really?
Big Nintendo games:
- BotW
- Xenoblade 2
- Mario Odyssey
Big 3rd-party games:
- Skyrim
- Doom
- more Doom
- DQ11
- Switcher 3
- Tales of Vesperia
- Outer Worlds
- Assassin's Creed 3/4/Rogue
- probably more
And in case you're gonna say 'half of those are old ports', pls realize that BotW is a Wii U-game, and Xenoblade 2 (as much as I love it) is an un-optimized technical mess. Neither are pushing the Switch more than the above 3rd-party games.
These games will stop coming to Switch 1. It'll be a complete desert in 2021 and later. That's why I think a new hardware is inevitable much sooner than 2023.
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Danjin44
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
If you're going to maintain this same smug ass attitude, don't go crying again when you come to the realization that people here still don't like you.
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OutrageousFacts
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I wasn't being smug. I wasn't laughing about Lionel, but what his question lead me to remember due to experience with Japanese sales. Lighten up.
Danjin44
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NEXT LEVEL lame™
Hello darkness my old friend.
OutrageousFacts
Banned
I've got the Xenoblade DE Limited Edition pre-ordered. Two times.
(*That* is me being smug,
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(*That* is me being smug,
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Woopah
Member
Sorry I meant big in terms of sales, not open world. Those third party games will sell around 2 million at most and many will sell a lot less. The games that are pushing Switch are mostly those that sell 8 million+. Nintendo has been the one releasing those and it will continue to be the one releasing those large titles on Switch in the next 3 years. In terms of hardware sales I don't think any of those third party games make too much of a difference.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I give you about two more months.I've got the Xenoblade DE Limited Edition pre-ordered. Two times.
(*That* is me being smug,
OutrageousFacts
Banned
I was arguing from consumer pov, though.
Nintendo could stop releasing games now and truck along on the strength of Switch' evergreens for 2-3 more years, sure.
But it'd cost them the important core audience, the backbone of any successful system. Even the Wii ended abruptly when the 'fad' was over and enthusiast gamers weren't there to carry the system.
Woopah
Member
I do think the Switch successor will get more third party support as it won't catch companies off guard like the Switch did.
But still third party support is slowly improving for Switch and I think the small and medium size games, plus ports of previous gen titles, will continue to come (just not from EA and Capcom lol). That support combined with Nintendo releases and indies should keep the core audience mostly happy for the next couple of years at least.
Lionel Richie
Member
You made some good points there bro, but I don't think support has been that barren for the Switch. It's not perfect by any means, but consider where Nintendo were with the Wii U or even at the beginning of the Switch. Falcom is porting their waifu simulators to the Switch, Square has given us Octopath and now BD 2, DQ got the definitive version (for real) on the Switch, Atelier tiddy monster is on the Switch, Phoenix Wright ASS Attorney is on the Switch, I mean fuck don't make me list shit. Point is, the Switch probably gets more support than anyone would have guessed. Of course there's going to be some impediments with bigger stuff and that's the case right now. Final Fantasy VIIR isn't coming *probably*, but that didn't stop a lot of FF from showing up there.
And that's my point, the power gap is already there and it's already keeping games out of the Switch. That hasn't stopped its momentum and neither has it prevented the console from getting random ports which are surprisingly well received by the community at large. I don't think Nintendo will get complacent with the Switch and take too long to release new hardware. But I don't think they feel any pressure for the reasons you mentioned.
Jooxed
Gold Member
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