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#GamerGate thread 2: it's about feminism in games journalism
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HP_Wuvcraft
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Pics or GTFO.
That makes the Wii Fit Trainer the queen of ethics.
Man, even dropping in to say a bunch of garbage that person managed to say a bunch of stuff about wanting to discuss things but managed not to list a single ethical topic to talk about. A lot of noise with no meaning behind it, making it a fantastic analogy for that hashtag crusade.
Mr_Antimatter
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It's a common thing to see in conservative arguments. They demand the opposition talk, but don't really make any real point to talk about. It's all just noise, so they can drop talking points and keep spewing so much chaff that you can't debunk them fast enough.
Piers Morgan is a bucket of shit, but I feel he at least has a kind of honesty. He knows when he's being crassly exploitative. I'm not sure TB does.
My local "scene" paper did a story on Gamergate, not sure if it's been posted around here. It's actually the cover story for the month http://www.chattanoogapulse.com/features/beyond-gamergate/
So, I mean, at the root of it, I get the "Deal with the moderates! Don't focus on the extremes!" argument. These people see themselves as those moderates and feel they're as much victims of the extreme people and actions as anyone else.
But that's absurd. Most people with ignorant arguments based on misinformation don't get addressed in any kind of media, as a general rule. Sometimes founding a movement on that ignorance and misinformation will get you some coverage, but not when it's accompanied directly and immediately by something much more important and, when it comes down to it, newsworthy. In this case vicious threats and harassment.
"Someone is Wrong on the Internet" or even "A Lot of People are Wrong on the Internet" just aren't stories that get much play. But the reality is those stories were written months ago. Occasionally even in the MSM. "They don't seem to be bringing up any real ethics issues except the ones they're creating" was occasionally at least a half-paragraph in the GG stories.
This whole line of reasoning of course entirely depends on having the awareness to realise that GG's hissy fit was based upon almost entirely imagined garbage, so in the end it's not surprising that most haven't worked through it.
Your shitty tantrum not being newsworthy isn't a blacklist.
But that's absurd. Most people with ignorant arguments based on misinformation don't get addressed in any kind of media, as a general rule. Sometimes founding a movement on that ignorance and misinformation will get you some coverage, but not when it's accompanied directly and immediately by something much more important and, when it comes down to it, newsworthy. In this case vicious threats and harassment.
"Someone is Wrong on the Internet" or even "A Lot of People are Wrong on the Internet" just aren't stories that get much play. But the reality is those stories were written months ago. Occasionally even in the MSM. "They don't seem to be bringing up any real ethics issues except the ones they're creating" was occasionally at least a half-paragraph in the GG stories.
This whole line of reasoning of course entirely depends on having the awareness to realise that GG's hissy fit was based upon almost entirely imagined garbage, so in the end it's not surprising that most haven't worked through it.
Your shitty tantrum not being newsworthy isn't a blacklist.
Always happy to do my part
Genuinely happy to see GamerGate take the Fail Of The Year award here too. I was worried the situation was being overlooked outside of this thread, but GAF has made me proud to be a part of it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
#GG now backing child porn would be the nadir of any other movement in the history of the world, but they have hit bottom and kept digging so much that I can't claim this is the nadir.
To be clear, #GG people are either claiming Patreon hates disabled persons because they don't want to support a site that has child porn or are just dismissing the issue of child porn on 8chan or are huge pedophiles on paper.
To be clear, #GG people are either claiming Patreon hates disabled persons because they don't want to support a site that has child porn or are just dismissing the issue of child porn on 8chan or are huge pedophiles on paper.
Oh man, too good and spot on.
It's like climate change deniers thinking it's the scientists that are out there lying to them for financial gain. Corporations with billions to gain off exploiting the environment? No they stand for the people. It's gotta be those greedy assholes who want research grants.
GamerGate's first attempt at bat was to link the harassment of a non-journalist for receiving a positive non-existent review for a free game. That was literally the first tweet made by its creator. Until Leigh Alexander and Brianna Wu came along (who, surprise surprise, were also not journalists) that was GamerGate.
The movement was not co-opted, or corrupted, or fundamentally misunderstood. The movement was those things from the outset.
ummmmm....wat?....
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
TB isn't going to say the threats against Anita were credible because, to put it bluntly, she's still breathing.
It's a TB meme.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
It's all for the swarm
Adorable :3c
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
1) Only make one post you know you'll be banned for.
2) Go on a pro-GG website and complain about it.
Yeah, that logic works great.
2) Go on a pro-GG website and complain about it.
Yeah, that logic works great.
Those tumblr images remind me of the first enemy I ever made on Twitter. Akemi Mokoto/Otaku2012. He hates any form of political correctness, he hates America and believes Japan to be the holy land, he attacks on race, ethics, gender and so on. Loves lolicon of all sorts but hates pedophiles. He hates everything and everyone unless it comes from Japan. He's easy to bother though because he believes one of the ultimate insults is "weeaboo". He lacks any and all self awareness on why anyone would think he's close minded, dumb, or even a pedophile and believes no one can refute him on anything because "they'll just fall back on the old hate speech complaint". He calls himself the equal opportunist offender and will spout all kinds of racist things or anything opposing to your views. I also wouldn't recommend visiting his Twitter either with all the lolicon.
But yeah... Sorry if I'm derailing. The tumblr image just reminded me of that really annoying person and all this talk about 8chan and lolicon and CP. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was a GGer in the end.
But yeah... Sorry if I'm derailing. The tumblr image just reminded me of that really annoying person and all this talk about 8chan and lolicon and CP. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was a GGer in the end.
Well that's obviously going to happen.
As for the poster itself. Saying "We are not the ones who use harassment, you do" is a tired and nonsense argument but here we are anyway.
Funny how these peoople who claim this along with "It's really about ethics in watermelon carving" produce no evidence of either, ever. Citation needed indeed.
If it wasn't so repetitive and tedious it would be funny. Of course the best bit, the actual stream of hate against anyone against their crusade of being able to hate for the sake of it continues unabated.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
The fuck am I reading?
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Neoriceisgood
Member
Man, they are really unhappy about the Patreon changes.
Awwww.....
You'd think they'd fully embrace Patreon updating its policy to be more ethical.
Camp Freddie
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It's great to see that MrBtongue is making more videos. I expect GG thought he was one of them because he argued against Bioware/Kuchera/PA's claims of "our artistic integrity means you can't criticise the flaws in our writing, you're just acting like pathetic entitled gamers, stop crying because you didn't get a hapily ever after ending".
I really wish we had more critics of his calibre. He's done some great videos comparing games criticism with other media criticism.
I foolishly read some of the comments. TB and his GG goons are out in full force, with claims that gamergate have done all this wonderful stuff to improve ethics in gaming journalism. Like, erm, Kotaku have added a link to their ethics policy (but we still think they are still corrupt), and WB did that brand deal which we exposed (but didn't do anything to stop it except one snarky tweet - serious criticism and actual journalism on that issue required Jim Fucking Sterling, son).
He's also still claiming that gaming journalism should held to the same standards and "objective/neutral voice" ideals as political journalism. He even linked to a video of a university ethics professor as a kinda "Gotcha! This guy proves you can't have friends in the industry or advocate for a politcal view in journalism""
Pretty much all videogame "journalism" is opinion pieces, and the "journalists" are actually pundits. It would be a wasteland if the objective/neutral stance was used. Maybe this is TB's machiavellian plan. When all the opinion is removed, he can dominate the market with his proven excellence in reviewing the graphics options.
He's probably have to take down most of his videos though. For example, his opinions pieces on modern military FPS genre are clearly advocating a position (invisible instakill walls are lazy game design), which a true journalist should never do (according to the video he linked).
Oh, but then he's not a journalist is he...
I see he's deleted his ongoing claims that all those harassed women are just making it up, or that the people harassing them are not from GG. So much for his apology for the "[Sarkeesian] is still breathing" comment. He shows all the remorse of my kids when I catch them sneaking into the kitchen for some chocolates. Pity no one can punish TB like I punish my kids, "If you do something naughty, no more videogames for you".
...KiA headline: "Neogaf anti-gg threatens to take away our videogames"
I really wish we had more critics of his calibre. He's done some great videos comparing games criticism with other media criticism.
I foolishly read some of the comments. TB and his GG goons are out in full force, with claims that gamergate have done all this wonderful stuff to improve ethics in gaming journalism. Like, erm, Kotaku have added a link to their ethics policy (but we still think they are still corrupt), and WB did that brand deal which we exposed (but didn't do anything to stop it except one snarky tweet - serious criticism and actual journalism on that issue required Jim Fucking Sterling, son).
He's also still claiming that gaming journalism should held to the same standards and "objective/neutral voice" ideals as political journalism. He even linked to a video of a university ethics professor as a kinda "Gotcha! This guy proves you can't have friends in the industry or advocate for a politcal view in journalism""
Pretty much all videogame "journalism" is opinion pieces, and the "journalists" are actually pundits. It would be a wasteland if the objective/neutral stance was used. Maybe this is TB's machiavellian plan. When all the opinion is removed, he can dominate the market with his proven excellence in reviewing the graphics options.
He's probably have to take down most of his videos though. For example, his opinions pieces on modern military FPS genre are clearly advocating a position (invisible instakill walls are lazy game design), which a true journalist should never do (according to the video he linked).
Oh, but then he's not a journalist is he...
I see he's deleted his ongoing claims that all those harassed women are just making it up, or that the people harassing them are not from GG. So much for his apology for the "[Sarkeesian] is still breathing" comment. He shows all the remorse of my kids when I catch them sneaking into the kitchen for some chocolates. Pity no one can punish TB like I punish my kids, "If you do something naughty, no more videogames for you".
...KiA headline: "Neogaf anti-gg threatens to take away our videogames"
Neoriceisgood
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I know Boogie's a subject we're adviced against discussing,
but LOL @ TotalBiscuit's outright lies about why he got banned from GAF.
For those unfamiliar: Boogie got banned for alluding to suicide while posting in this thread; which is why moderators advice against discussing his position.
Lowlander2
Banned
I feel like complete shit having read about 8chan. All I can say with certainty is that I hope whosoever is responsible faces the responsibilities therein.
And I really, really hope Dan wasn't desperate enough to use the subject matter as a weapon against GG/8chan. That would literally make him just as bad.
And I really, really hope Dan wasn't desperate enough to use the subject matter as a weapon against GG/8chan. That would literally make him just as bad.
I hope dan did not expose 8chan for that reason to.I think the FBI may look at the site in more detail if people report this stuff to them. I do not want to talk about this to much anyway.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I don't think he needs to, he can get the most vital GAF information from KiA.
....what ?
Neoriceisgood
Member
The point of #notyourshield in a nutshell:
"Don't you dare bring up your race/sexuality/gender unless we can use it to show how accepting GG is."
stump sock
Member
well to be fair, one of the biggest assholes involved, Milo V., is gay (but also hates gay people). He's a real classy dude.
e: I thought this was the FOTY thread for some reason. you guys already know about nero.
Belladonna
Banned
I found this collection of Tweets from Jimmy Wales to GG posted on Reddit. It's ...really something!
I wouldn't be surprised if he does.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
He's pandering to a crowd he knows he can monopolize off of by making videos that agree with them. His whole issue with 'games journalism' can be seen as him trying to sway customers towards him and away from established mediums. That's why nothing he says about games journalism should be taken with much authenticity because there's an inherent bias.
But of course if GamerGate was about ethics then there wouldn't have been a GamerGate to begin with.
Edit: Was TB always active in youtube comments?
Edit2: Another post by TB from youtube comments taken from KiA. He tries to claim he doesn't benefit off this while those clowns are parading around it with how awesome and honest he is.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Did something happen to 8chan?
Someone did an article on what their hebephile board is like. As expected, it's pretty disgusting.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I think somebody posted child pornography there for whatever reason.
Edit: Or whatever Sou Da says. I don't know what hebephily is and I don't really want to find out.
stump sock
Member
yeah, I'm not googling that.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
yeah, I'm not googling that.
You're the Yaoi fan though
I have no idea what Yaoi is, I'm just asuming it's something disgusting
EmCeeGramr
Member
so wait were their ethical concerns dismissed out of hand by "people who aren't very good at their jobs" or were their ethical concerns addressed with updated rules as one of their many many real victories that totally exist
i always forget which part of the founding myth is the canonical one depending on the argument being made at that moment
i always forget which part of the founding myth is the canonical one depending on the argument being made at that moment
stump sock
Member
Despite what some people might say, there's nothing disgusting about consensual love between two men.
no, Kotaku made an effort to make their ethics policies more public, but they appear to be one of the biggest targets yet, so who the fuck even knows
Bananastand
Member
He's pandering to a crowd he knows he can monopolize off of by making videos that agree with them. His whole issue with 'games journalism' can be seen as him trying to sway customers towards him and away from established mediums. That's why nothing he says about games journalism should be taken with much authenticity because there's an inherent bias.
But of course if GamerGate was about ethics then there wouldn't have been a GamerGate to begin with.
Edit: Was TB always active in youtube comments?
Edit2: Another post by TB from youtube comments taken from KiA. He tries to claim he doesn't benefit off this white those clowns are parading around it with how awesome and honest he is.
I like how he says he has nothing to gain while slandering the people who are his direct competitors.
Does TB have a team of people searching around comments that could have been vaguely related to him? It's starting to get weird how he keeps showing up everywhere.
yeah, I'm not googling that.
EDIT: Alright.
Most of the response to this was: "You can't prove that there's CP there without being a pedophile yourself!" and "THE OPPOSITION probably spread that CP, it's all anonymous so you can't prove that this ambiguous OPPOSITION didn't do so."
stump sock
Member
he does employ a dedicated PR person, who seems to be doing a real bang-up job in actually performing PR given some of his recent statements.
excelsiorlef
Member
Dan (Foldable Human) wrote a medium article about the fucked up shit posted on 8Chan, including blurred out images and I'm guessing links (I have no desire or intention to read the article). Now GGers are running around wanting to report him and anyone who tweets about the article for distributing child porn (and getting mad that those folks didn't repoert it to the 8Chan admins, you know cause those admins totally are un the ball on that :|), whilst simultaneously defending 8Chan. Also someone of them do this whilst simultaneously claiming there is no CP on 8Chan
Basically to GG 8Chan is innocent but Dan and co they're the real criminals and need to be taken down.
chaobreaker
Member
He's pandering to a crowd he knows he can monopolize off of by making videos that agree with them. His whole issue with 'games journalism' can be seen as him trying to sway customers towards him and away from established mediums. That's why nothing he says about games journalism should be taken with much authenticity because there's an inherent bias.
But of course if GamerGate was about ethics then there wouldn't have been a GamerGate to begin with.
Edit: Was TB always active in youtube comments?
Edit2: Another post by TB from youtube comments taken from KiA. He tries to claim he doesn't benefit off this while those clowns are parading around it with how awesome and honest he is.
People who are not very good at their jobs = game journalist = people TB would love if they would go away so he can get some more youtube money.
Fuck TB.
Wrestlemania
Banned
Links to the 8chan CP Medium story were deleted earlier - I suspect it's something people should be avoiding linking to here.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Despite what some people might say, there's nothing disgusting about consensual love between two men.
Oh. Well as I said I don't know what it is, and if I see a japanese word in an odd context I usually don't want to research it
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