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Games that would benefit from a full remakes?
- Thread starter CurseoftheGods
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A game that fits all the critera is hard.
Choas Legion would be one fore me.
The Combat even at the time was only okay a best.
However I really liked the themes and characters as well as the Summon aspect. Thing is even if the combat was better and the graphics were better it still wouldn't sell.
I could also agree on Legends of Dragoon.
Choas Legion would be one fore me.
The Combat even at the time was only okay a best.
However I really liked the themes and characters as well as the Summon aspect. Thing is even if the combat was better and the graphics were better it still wouldn't sell.
I could also agree on Legends of Dragoon.
Takamura-San
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MikeE21286 said:
I always wondered why people want this.
Why would people want purposeless interiors?
Lionheart1827
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Maaseru said:
Possibly, but I thought that way until PD XBLA came out. I was skeptical they'd be able to implement a proper dual analog setup and made the game feel more modern, but they really did. If PD can be done, I'm sure JFG would come out the same way, granted the same developers remake it.
Game2Death
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MG1 and 2. Those would be awesome in 3D and full games. Plus the story and everything is right there for a metal gear game.
I replayed jet force gemini some months ago and IMHO it holds up really well
, there is more exploration than most of today's tps, the OST is still godly and the bosses are awesome! Maybe the shooting mechanics could be updated but they're still fine at least for me.
especially when played at 1080p with a xbox controller 
DICKS AHOY
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Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, with a similar level of polish and presentation as Colors/Generations and elements such as treasure hunting and fishing flat-out removed so they can focus on making Sonic work in 3D without just combining Rush and Secret Rings like Unleashed/Colors/Generations.
In terms of a game I actually still love, Banjo-Kazooie could do with a reworking that works in more open-world elements (such as how worlds in Tooie were interconnected), most of the collectibles like feathers or eggs made redundant or toned down and a similar design-philosophy to Nuts & Bolts where it's up to players how to solve a puzzle to get a jiggy.
More of an aside since I don't feel either game has aged poorly (DKC2 maybe slightly, but nothing more than the occasionally boring or bullshit level or slightly wonky collision detection), but a DKCR-like remake of DKC2 would be pretty awesome, as long as they either orchestrated the soundtrack or got David Wise back and made the Kong's roll attacks momentum based again so you still had moments like this. Similarly Yoshi's Island looking something like this and this would be amazing.
In terms of a game I actually still love, Banjo-Kazooie could do with a reworking that works in more open-world elements (such as how worlds in Tooie were interconnected), most of the collectibles like feathers or eggs made redundant or toned down and a similar design-philosophy to Nuts & Bolts where it's up to players how to solve a puzzle to get a jiggy.
I'm aware Nuts & Bolts was originally a remake/re-imagining of BK before anybody else says anything
More of an aside since I don't feel either game has aged poorly (DKC2 maybe slightly, but nothing more than the occasionally boring or bullshit level or slightly wonky collision detection), but a DKCR-like remake of DKC2 would be pretty awesome, as long as they either orchestrated the soundtrack or got David Wise back and made the Kong's roll attacks momentum based again so you still had moments like this. Similarly Yoshi's Island looking something like this and this would be amazing.
So I'm going to say the predictable one here: Final Fantasy VII
Back when it was new, it was pretty much all about Final Fantasy VII and Ocarina of Time. The latter just got a remake, but FF7 still hasn't got one. And it needs it more than OoT.
1. Game has aged awfully (gameplay/mechanics/translation may or may not have been deemed acceptable then but not by today's standards)
To break it down:
It's Final Fantasy VII. Do I need to say more? It's the remake everyone has been asking for.
3. Game was held back from full potential due to technological limitations at the time
Yes, and no... It was held back by Squaresoft's abilities with the PS1 at the time. As Final Fantasy IX shows, the PS1 could do much more than what FF7 did. It actually has the opposite problem right now. To remake FF7 on a modern console, all the areas and content in the game would make it very expensive to make. But it's one of Square Enix's golden games, so I doubt they'd even consider anything less for it.
4. Game must not have a direct sequel that improves on all of the above.
I'm not going to put FF7 on a pedestal and say it's better than every single Final Fantasy that followed. In fact, I think that it has been surpassed in all its individual parts. It's not the best version of the ATB system. That's FF10-2. The characters individually aren't that special when you put them up against the collective herd of characters from the series. Even the music has been surpassed in several of the sequels. But what FF7 did that hasn't really been beaten by any sequel, is the same thing OoT did. Consistency. Everything it did was good or great at the time. There's nothing bad about the game, it just slots together nicely. All the characters, even Cait Sith, are likable. Sephiroth is a paint-by-numbers oedipal villain, but pulls it off with style, even if his sword is stupidly big.
So, yeah. Final Fantasy VII. I'm not feeling terribly original saying that, but it is one of those games that while still good, really have been marked by age. I'd be happy with a version that re-scanned or redrew the backgrounds in HD, like in the Monkey Island remakes, and then used the same consistent character models everywhere. New translation, re-recording of the music, voices, a materia system re-balancing and we have a good FF7 remake.
Back when it was new, it was pretty much all about Final Fantasy VII and Ocarina of Time. The latter just got a remake, but FF7 still hasn't got one. And it needs it more than OoT.
1. Game has aged awfully (gameplay/mechanics/translation may or may not have been deemed acceptable then but not by today's standards)
To break it down:
- Dear FF7, pick an artstyle and stay with it. No-texture chibi, realism like the backgrounds, or anime-style like the battle models. Luckily, with all the spinoffs and cameos, the looks of Cloud and the gang have pretty much all been updated to modern quality and in a consistent anime/realism style like the latter Final Fantasies did.
- This game needs a retranslation, badly. We all laugh at "This guy are sick!" and "Off course!" but it goes deeper than that. From semi-suicidal battle hints "Attack when its tail is up!" to a needlessly incomprehensible story and of course: Aerith/Aeris. Since Square Enix have since decided on the latter, FF7 even got a main character's name wrong. Whoops.
- While the ATB system still works great, the Materia system could do with a bit of a rebalancing. It's easy to make every character almost unbeatable, and there are some nasty combinations that might not have been intended. (Final Attack=Phoenix is always fun.) Plus there are some glaring holes as well. No Wind materia, and we're missing a Holy element attack spell as well.
It's Final Fantasy VII. Do I need to say more? It's the remake everyone has been asking for.
3. Game was held back from full potential due to technological limitations at the time
Yes, and no... It was held back by Squaresoft's abilities with the PS1 at the time. As Final Fantasy IX shows, the PS1 could do much more than what FF7 did. It actually has the opposite problem right now. To remake FF7 on a modern console, all the areas and content in the game would make it very expensive to make. But it's one of Square Enix's golden games, so I doubt they'd even consider anything less for it.
4. Game must not have a direct sequel that improves on all of the above.
I'm not going to put FF7 on a pedestal and say it's better than every single Final Fantasy that followed. In fact, I think that it has been surpassed in all its individual parts. It's not the best version of the ATB system. That's FF10-2. The characters individually aren't that special when you put them up against the collective herd of characters from the series. Even the music has been surpassed in several of the sequels. But what FF7 did that hasn't really been beaten by any sequel, is the same thing OoT did. Consistency. Everything it did was good or great at the time. There's nothing bad about the game, it just slots together nicely. All the characters, even Cait Sith, are likable. Sephiroth is a paint-by-numbers oedipal villain, but pulls it off with style, even if his sword is stupidly big.
So, yeah. Final Fantasy VII. I'm not feeling terribly original saying that, but it is one of those games that while still good, really have been marked by age. I'd be happy with a version that re-scanned or redrew the backgrounds in HD, like in the Monkey Island remakes, and then used the same consistent character models everywhere. New translation, re-recording of the music, voices, a materia system re-balancing and we have a good FF7 remake.
CurseoftheGods
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TruePrime said:
In addition, I'd argue that the Dreamcast version is a pretty good port and perfectly playable today.
Personally, KOTOR 1&2. Getting the original to run on Windows 7 or an Xbox copy to run on 360 is a fucking nightmare. Also, the voicework kinda blows the visuals out of the water now, so it'd be nice to have everything all shiny again.
Edit: beaten by moments. Curses!
Edit 2: Didn't see the rules but I think these can arguable fit those standards. The behind-the-scenes die rolls, while not a personal gripe, are rarely used anymore in games like this.
Edit: beaten by moments. Curses!
Edit 2: Didn't see the rules but I think these can arguable fit those standards. The behind-the-scenes die rolls, while not a personal gripe, are rarely used anymore in games like this.
GreggTheGrimReaper
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The original Golden Axe!
MrNyarlathotep
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Elite: Frontier First Encounters.
.Well said. You're right there are no points for originality in saying FFVII is a prime remake canidate, but that's because it's such a correct answer. I'm still surprised Square hasn't jumped on this yet. I know they're scared of the cost and time. Yes making something the scope of FFVII to modern standards and polishing it to meet the enormously high expectation of the fans is a daunting task, but what they've been making instead aren't exactly small fries. Just how many years has Versus XIII been in development?McNum said:
Majora's Mask. Wii U HD Graphics, expand the size of clock town, make it a full 7 day cycle. Even more masks. The whole repeating time cycle with NPCs with schedules depending on the day and time could be something really amazing with the technology we have now. The game hasn't aged terribly, it still plays great to this day. I just feel like the concept could really come to life with the advances in technology.
Vulcano's assistant
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CurseoftheGods
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Added this to OP:
Hope it helps and promotes further discussion.
Hope it helps and promotes further discussion.
elrechazado
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Some games I'd love to see on xbl with redone modern graphics:
Strider
Warrior of Rome 2
Metal Marines
Strider
Warrior of Rome 2
Metal Marines
TruePrime said:
1. Game has aged awfully - YES imo
2. Game has been well received by gamers and the press during its time - YES
3. Game was held back from full potential due to technological limitations at the time - YES imo.
4. Game must not have a direct sequel that improves on all of the above. - I don't feel RE3 did. I'd like to see something more in the direction of RE4. New gamplay mechanics and more exploration of Racoon City would be nice.
I think Square Enix basically worked themselves into a panic over FFVII. Bascially they bought into their own hype. Yes, FFVII is an important game. The JRPG battering ram, the first of the 3D Final Fatasies, the one with Cloud and Sephiroth. Plus a lot of the people who worked on it don't work with Sqaure Enix anymore, and the new blood don't want to touch the old master's baby.PBalfredo said:
Honestly, I think that's a bit silly, and I think what Square Enix should have done is outsource a lot of the manual labor tasks for it. I mean the game is there already. It just needs to be refluffed. Like Nintendo did with Ocarina of Time. And if it's good enough for OoT, it's good enough for FFVII.
Besides, Crono Trigger got that DS half port, half remake. That's one of the babies of the old masters, too.
How was it held back?J-Rock said:
At the time it wasn't viewed that way and it is only viewed that way in hind sight, it was considered a marvel for it's time and had plenty of stuff to do and tons of content.
If we use this then anything from previous gens could be considered held back because they don't have current power of PC's or consoles and so that arguement doesn't hold water for me.
RE4 is a direct sequel to RE2 and 3. Acting as if three is the only one then stuff like DMC 1 should be remade but the fact is DMC 3 exists and it is vastly superior and is a DMC sequel.
Aged, well maybe I disagree the only thing worse then RE4 or 5 is camera but it controls the same outside of shooting so I don't mind it.
CurseoftheGods
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McNum said:
I strongly agree. I tried playing the game a couple of years ago, but I couldn't bring myself to finish it. It's almost a terrible game by today's standards, but a modern update would do the game wonders. The potential is all there.
we.are.the.armada
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CurseoftheGods said:
Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines
Never forget.
First off, I'll point out the pros of this game: great campaign length, great pacing, great writing, great quests, varied dialogue trees, and character building where you can see a dramatic impact from stat increases due to small numbers.
Unfortunately, the combat is horrible and features accuracy and hit box issues that make the player feel as if they are fighting against the game as well as enemies. Melee combat is not so bad and provides a pretty deep range of attack animations; however, animations follow through with the camera so you are often left wide open after a melee attack. This also occurs when an enemy hits you, causing your aim dot to spin around and make forthcoming attacks miss. You can also be juggled by enemies.
The geometry clips your character frequently and character animation doesn't match speed or a sense of place. The stealth elements are pretty good but the game's lighting doesn't really give you the proper visuals to correlate to your stealth bar.
If this game was remade with an updated engine (let's say, something like the Witcher 2 engine) I would buy it for a $1000. As far as RPGs go I've never played a game that has felt so top-notch in production value as this game but also feels mechanically dated.
LowerLevel
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Koralsky said:
Should have been the first post.
Shadowgate - Needs updated graphics and interface.
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Two letters: AI. It'd be great if it had a better vocabulary and more intelligent responses that would change if you kept trying the same thing. Maybe Eoin Colfer could write some of the dialog and even add stuff from the new book.
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Two letters: AI. It'd be great if it had a better vocabulary and more intelligent responses that would change if you kept trying the same thing. Maybe Eoin Colfer could write some of the dialog and even add stuff from the new book.
Game2Death said:
DEFINITELY. I actually think MG2 is already one of the better Metal Gear games as-is, but this would be the perfect way to round out the Metal Gear saga - just do a complete retelling of both games.
Most of the fans who jumped on at MGS1 could finally see Big Boss in action against Snake, the real Grey Fox, etc. We've seen the very end of Sold Snake and the very beginning of Big Boss, but not vice versa. It could be to Metal Gear what Episode III was to Star Wars. They could call it "Metal Gear Solid 0" or something and split it into a part one and part two.
-viper- said:
This too. Actually I would be fine if they just did what 343 is doing to Halo Combat Evolved - just take the exact same old game and dunk it into the BioShock Infinite engine. Hell, I just want a re-release in some shape or form.
The One and Done™
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The entire Legacy of Kain series remade would be greatly appreciated. Too bad Raziel voice actor died I think.
bloodforge
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Koralsky said:
This, so much this.
Lost Kingdoms 1 and 2 made into 1 game.
Visually hideous but addictive combat system could get the benefit of visual upgrades, newer areas, faster framerate, More cards and online multiplayer.
Phantom Crash
Better visuals, More Stages, More customizatons, New SV types Online Community like Chromehounds and it would be kickass. PS2 game doesnt exists as it was alas worse than the original.
Visually hideous but addictive combat system could get the benefit of visual upgrades, newer areas, faster framerate, More cards and online multiplayer.
Phantom Crash
Better visuals, More Stages, More customizatons, New SV types Online Community like Chromehounds and it would be kickass. PS2 game doesnt exists as it was alas worse than the original.
PigSpeakers
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MikeE21286 said:
A quick save would be nice too. And maybe getting rid of the hunger and whatever stats. Main reason I couldn't play SA when I tried to recently.
FF7 is a mess. Dpad controls are a pain, clashing art all over the map, and it just feels extremely dated.
HawksWinStanley
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Deathrow.
I think if they fleshed that game out more, updated the graphics, made the box art not suck, and obviously made it Live enabled it would be a big hit.
I think if they fleshed that game out more, updated the graphics, made the box art not suck, and obviously made it Live enabled it would be a big hit.
abstract alien
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Yikes! A seven day cycle!? That would be a hassle....but I guess I'm thinking in terms of the current MM set up and not a remade one, I suppose. It's all about design, so I think it could work if the game was completely remade like REmake was.KorrZ said:
zomgbbqftw
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FFVIII, would be stunning in HD. Would help with story telling and they could make Selphie even more awesome than she already is...