TouchMyBox
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Yes please. Podcasting seems like a medium well-suited to Geoff.
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Gameslice with Geoff Keighley Podcast featuring Gabe Newell and Erik Johnson
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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@ the terry pratchett comment
Kadin
Member
I was just coming to post about that. Crushing.
TouchMyBox
Member
That's a pretty crazy coincidence.
I guess this confirms that Gaben is a prophet.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
Sounds good, downloading right now
Going to listen to this now. Its also on Youtube if anyone wants it =)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxIb8oGdV7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxIb8oGdV7U
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
I jumped instantly to this. Come on Gabe, that was such a non answer! He didn't really say yes, which would have been an easy answer if that was the answer. Anyway, someone should make a funeral thread for Half Life. It's DONE
I dunno, I'd find it very hard to believe anyone involved in a creative medium would ever not want to complete a story they've started. Unless the key people involved in HL left (wasn't one of the Dishonored staff from Valve?)
I really enjoyed that podcast. Really informal and down to earth and lots of great chat, but got really saddened at the mention of Pratchett and realisation that this was before he passed. Re-reading disc world again for the past month. Been pretty rough for his fans
Anyway, no complaints on the show format. I imagine the personality of the people being interviewed will shape the show, which is great.
Was amusing to hear Gabe's momentum wobble around certain topics. Pretty sure he was trying to keep some things quiet
Can't wait for the next podcast. Seems this and the ramblings of Jinquisition podcast have my gaming podcast needs covered!
Anyway, no complaints on the show format. I imagine the personality of the people being interviewed will shape the show, which is great.
Was amusing to hear Gabe's momentum wobble around certain topics. Pretty sure he was trying to keep some things quiet
Can't wait for the next podcast. Seems this and the ramblings of Jinquisition podcast have my gaming podcast needs covered!
jediyoshi
Member
Wow that's crazy, I figured this interview was post his death.
That kind of misses the point by taking it completely out of context of the discussion. He doesn't say "smart phones are a waste of time"
ZombieSupaStar
Member
At this point, whatever at Half Life 3, We were just lucky to get Portal 1 and 2 before Valve went multiplayer crazy.
I'm over anticipating it anymore.
But seriously if UGC is there big thing, look at Bethesda Games Studio's games, not an ounce of multiplayer and some of the biggest mod communities / created content ever. Ah well whatever.
I'm over anticipating it anymore.
But seriously if UGC is there big thing, look at Bethesda Games Studio's games, not an ounce of multiplayer and some of the biggest mod communities / created content ever. Ah well whatever.
Well I don't doubt that Valve wants to complete that story, but maybe the tech or infrastructure behind what they want to do just isn't there yet. Now that Source 2 and SteamVR are out in the open, maybe it is time for the next game. If we don't hear anything in the next year or two then yeah, I would say they're not making it.
I mean, Eric Wolpaw and crew certainly aren't there to write DOTA 2 lines or something.
I don't think they don't want to go back to Half-Life. Gabe's answer seems to imply that if we get sequels to their franchises, then they won't be exactly like they were before. Maybe there will be space in Half-Life for UGC and a co-op mode for Gordon and Alyx. These two options alone include everything they have learnt between Portal 2 and Dota 2.
ashecitism
Member
oh neat, listening to it now
well, Marc Laidlaw has been writing Dota stuff for a while...
well, Marc Laidlaw has been writing Dota stuff for a while...
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Awesome. I look forward to hearing this after I finish up the Bombcast.
Yeah, unlike some others I don't think Valve's desire to incorporate an element of UGC spells the end of in-house SP campaigns.
ashecitism
Member
That Pratchett comment, damn
I still hope SoB was just put on hold until their tech matures and wasn't totally cancelled. The concept arts looked really great.
I still hope SoB was just put on hold until their tech matures and wasn't totally cancelled. The concept arts looked really great.
That Pratchett comment, damn
I still hope SoB was just put on hold until their tech matures and wasn't totally cancelled. The concept arts looked really great.
Yeah, an open-world "space pirate" game with a virtually unlimited budget would be amazing.
SliceSabre
Banned
Great interview!
I would love it if this became a regular thing for Geoff, he seems so at ease in this format and Gabe actually provided a lot of interesting insight. Wish there were more people like Geoff in the industry to be honest.
I would love it if this became a regular thing for Geoff, he seems so at ease in this format and Gabe actually provided a lot of interesting insight. Wish there were more people like Geoff in the industry to be honest.
alexandros
Banned
Given Gabe's comments on single player games and the games as a service model, it seems to me that the answer to the question "how do we incorporate that business model into a traditional single player model" is pretty straightforward.
Make Half-Life 3 open world.
Make Half-Life 3 open world.
ashecitism
Member
Okay, so Dota 2 will migrate to Source 2 eventually, then fans will get their hands on it, make mods etc and when Valve sees everything's working properly, they make the engine available to the public. Makes sense. But I hope they will have some other thing to show with it, not just Dota...
Valve has yet to make an openworld game. It's an all new world for them. There's nothing to be learned from previous projects of theirs when it comes to that.
Valve has yet to make an openworld game. It's an all new world for them. There's nothing to be learned from previous projects of theirs when it comes to that.
alexandros
Banned
Sure, but according to the podcast Valve loves being uncomfortable and exploring new ground. They also have a lot of data on Skyrim, a huge success on their platform and a good example of how a single player game can have longevity and community support.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Gabe talking about how important it is to keep the platform open (and referring to windows 8 going the opposite direction)
People always dismiss it but it's the one and only thing that makes the PC platform what it is, the moment you close it down in any way it's ruined.
People always dismiss it but it's the one and only thing that makes the PC platform what it is, the moment you close it down in any way it's ruined.
GlamFM
Banned
This is not what I got from the interview AT ALL.
ashecitism
Member
IGN transcribed the following Gabe part
http://me.ign.com/en/pc/103771/news/gabe-newell-i-get-it-people-worrying-about-not-hav
http://me.ign.com/en/pc/103771/news/gabe-newell-i-get-it-people-worrying-about-not-hav
It's not. They're trying to figure out how to make it live on forever as its own thing, the way Dota and CS have/will. Gabe clarified that later, even after the part about the next games they're working on. They want to make something that can live and grow, preferably on its own with users doing a lot of the workshop work. I took that as them trying to figure out how to reconcile that with Half Life, a distinctly singleplayer game.
I'm okay with their position. That's how the market is trending, and it's also better for the players in the long run.
The days of a big SP only experiences from Valve certainly seem dead if Gabe's words are anything to go by.
ashecitism
Member
Couldn't they just mess around with HLM?
M?Memorabilia
Member
This.
Half-Life is very much alive people. Its just a question of what form it will take, how do they make it live and breathe and become something more than just a finite 12 hr SP campaign. I have a feeling it'll resolve into a SP entry point experience, a persistent world with co-op of some sort and UGC modules to add basically endless content. It'll be exciting to see how it works out.
NeoGeoOwner
Banned
Can't wait to check this out.
SpookyFries
Member
On one side I respect Valve for building a solid foundation on the PC platform and trying to bring that to the living room. I can also respect their innovations with VR since that seems like the next big step for a lot of people
But on the other side I'm really disapointed with the way they've handled their franchises. I started Half-Life when I was 11 and now I'm almost 30 with no resolution to the story. For what reqson? So Valve can figure out how to incorporate micro transactions and workshop items into the story? I really wish they would have just dumped out Episode 3 on Source 1 and then moved onto different projects. At least outsource it another studio or something. It's my favorite franchise and it sucks to watch all of these other games take priority over something that needs closure.
Just my two cents
But on the other side I'm really disapointed with the way they've handled their franchises. I started Half-Life when I was 11 and now I'm almost 30 with no resolution to the story. For what reqson? So Valve can figure out how to incorporate micro transactions and workshop items into the story? I really wish they would have just dumped out Episode 3 on Source 1 and then moved onto different projects. At least outsource it another studio or something. It's my favorite franchise and it sucks to watch all of these other games take priority over something that needs closure.
Just my two cents
ashecitism
Member
oh god, someone on reddit counted the you knows?
Blast Processing
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cool show, Your Corn Chip Fizzy Drink Emminence.
dragonfart28
Banned
Am I the only one that finds Gabe incredibly boring?
On one hand you gotta appreciate Gabe not having overly-rehearsed dry response but on the other hand it gives the impression as if he's always blindsided\surprised when he's asked about it. Valve already thought like this internally for years so it's funny they still can't convey it clearly.
I really don't know what Valve get talk about HL in plain English. Anyhow, this is pretty much as direct an answer we are going to get. This is how it is: Valve aren't making a new HL game that will play like the previous entries. Valve are looking to transform the HL series in a way that enables 'as a service' functionality. Everyone's best to just cross Valve's name off the list of SP content creators until (if) they prove otherwise.
Now, why did it take 8 years and an interviewer to invite them to do a podcast for Gabe to provide this answer? Why didn't inform the fans that this is how how they think about a future HL game? A company that prides on listing to fans and working for them just doesn't act the way Valve acts despite the deluge of fans wanting and asking them to say something. Really is baffling and it's making them as a whole worse.
This is really disappointing because the fans don't want that with HL and because in the past Valve wasn't keen on the approach of devs and pubs jumping on trends and making everything have X or Y. Valve seems to have turned to one of those devs and now must include 'as-a-service'\UGC functionality to every game they do. That's not what defined Valve in my eyes since their foundation.
Newell basically said it outright: Valve isn't going back to making SP games in the vein of HL and Portal unless everybody there started to make one and had a good reason to do so. That's not something you say if you did have in mind HL3 as pure SP VR game.
But what i really want to understand is what are these lessons Gabe mentions leaning from Portal 2 and the MP games? If you seek to better explain yourself to the community and makes the fans have a better comprehension of Valve's inner workings, then please can you actually describe and list those lessons?
I can't think of lessons from Portal 2 that would make Valve more inclined to go down the 'as a service' road for SP games.
Here's how i analyzed Portal 2 and its launch:
1. Valve originally envisioned Portal 2 as portal-less and Chell-less. Playtesters hated it. - If there's a lesson here, it's not to try to reinvent the wheel in sequels and ditch what people liked and want more of. Can't see why Valve would be thrilled making the next HL a stark departure from the rest and push stuff like UGC.
2. Valve's push for 'as-a-service' features in Portal 2 failed. People rejected\didn't care about buying cosmetic items for the robots in the Co-op mode. Why would it be different in a would-be HL3?
3. Portal 2 was a success because a lot of people think highly and love Valve's own produced content. That's the reason players buy their games in the first place. They hold Valve's SP skills and content as one of the best. Why would they want a UGC push\focus for Valve's SP franchises?
4. Valve dismissed the players' demand and desire for Valve-authored content. Valve made 0 Portal 2 SP DLC. As much as the map creators are doing a supreme work with Portal 2 mods and map packs, Valve are missing the big picture of people wanting in-house content.
5. If anything, Portal 2 was and continues to be a PERFECT candidate for a continuous 'as-a-service' initiative as i've outlined in the past. Valve could have turned it to their gameplay\mechanics experiment lab but they showed zero inclination to do so, missing an enormous opportunity in my eyes.
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I fear whatever SP game\content Valve is going to release in the future is going to be just so people buy it and then enable all the fans and users creating and doing their thing. A sort of a continuation of the Portal 2 situation that got flack on it's SP campaign and that any content it's getting in the months and years after is user created.
I really don't know what Valve get talk about HL in plain English. Anyhow, this is pretty much as direct an answer we are going to get. This is how it is: Valve aren't making a new HL game that will play like the previous entries. Valve are looking to transform the HL series in a way that enables 'as a service' functionality. Everyone's best to just cross Valve's name off the list of SP content creators until (if) they prove otherwise.
Now, why did it take 8 years and an interviewer to invite them to do a podcast for Gabe to provide this answer? Why didn't inform the fans that this is how how they think about a future HL game? A company that prides on listing to fans and working for them just doesn't act the way Valve acts despite the deluge of fans wanting and asking them to say something. Really is baffling and it's making them as a whole worse.
Don't think so. How is making HL3 that is a pure SP game that has a segregated MP any different than HL1 and HL2? How does that fit with Gabe's comments of going forward with their games and learning from the launch of Portal 2 and supporting the MP titles? Sadly, i can't interpret this in any way other than making HL's main attraction something different.Couldn't they just mess around with HL
This is really disappointing because the fans don't want that with HL and because in the past Valve wasn't keen on the approach of devs and pubs jumping on trends and making everything have X or Y. Valve seems to have turned to one of those devs and now must include 'as-a-service'\UGC functionality to every game they do. That's not what defined Valve in my eyes since their foundation.
Newell basically said it outright: Valve isn't going back to making SP games in the vein of HL and Portal unless everybody there started to make one and had a good reason to do so. That's not something you say if you did have in mind HL3 as pure SP VR game.
But what i really want to understand is what are these lessons Gabe mentions leaning from Portal 2 and the MP games? If you seek to better explain yourself to the community and makes the fans have a better comprehension of Valve's inner workings, then please can you actually describe and list those lessons?
I can't think of lessons from Portal 2 that would make Valve more inclined to go down the 'as a service' road for SP games.
Here's how i analyzed Portal 2 and its launch:
1. Valve originally envisioned Portal 2 as portal-less and Chell-less. Playtesters hated it. - If there's a lesson here, it's not to try to reinvent the wheel in sequels and ditch what people liked and want more of. Can't see why Valve would be thrilled making the next HL a stark departure from the rest and push stuff like UGC.
2. Valve's push for 'as-a-service' features in Portal 2 failed. People rejected\didn't care about buying cosmetic items for the robots in the Co-op mode. Why would it be different in a would-be HL3?
3. Portal 2 was a success because a lot of people think highly and love Valve's own produced content. That's the reason players buy their games in the first place. They hold Valve's SP skills and content as one of the best. Why would they want a UGC push\focus for Valve's SP franchises?
4. Valve dismissed the players' demand and desire for Valve-authored content. Valve made 0 Portal 2 SP DLC. As much as the map creators are doing a supreme work with Portal 2 mods and map packs, Valve are missing the big picture of people wanting in-house content.
5. If anything, Portal 2 was and continues to be a PERFECT candidate for a continuous 'as-a-service' initiative as i've outlined in the past. Valve could have turned it to their gameplay\mechanics experiment lab but they showed zero inclination to do so, missing an enormous opportunity in my eyes.
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I fear whatever SP game\content Valve is going to release in the future is going to be just so people buy it and then enable all the fans and users creating and doing their thing. A sort of a continuation of the Portal 2 situation that got flack on it's SP campaign and that any content it's getting in the months and years after is user created.
GlamFM
Banned
Yes! ... I mean maybe... I mean ... It's Gabe fucking Newell man!
SuperEpicMan
Banned
At this point, I think I would be happy with just an Orange Box 2 which has a remastered version of Portal 1 and 2, L4D 1 and 2, and maybe remastered HL2 and episodes.
dragonfart28
Banned
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I found him incredibly fascinating to listen to. The guy's a visionary and there's lots of interesting tidbits in what he's saying.
I found Keighley's questions and comments to be pretty lightweight in comparison. Whatever, his approach yielded a great podcast regardless, and I hope he uses his industry contacts to deliver more.