Wii isn't twice as powerful as the GC. Even the Xbox 1 is more powerful than the Wii!CosmicGroinPull said:Only twice? That's almost like the Wii, isn't it?
Wii isn't twice as powerful as the GC. Even the Xbox 1 is more powerful than the Wii!CosmicGroinPull said:Only twice? That's almost like the Wii, isn't it?
gofreak said:I'm not gonna read that whole babelfished article, but is this the same watch impress article from a while back?
I thought he speculated therein that Sony might go with a 8-12 SPE setup? Where did fewer SPEs come from?
I'm also not sure if it mentioned anything about the GPU (or RAM?). Which would obviously have a big say in how powerful the system is overall. A modestly more powerful CPU would not be very surprising though..if it was even twice as powerful I'd be mildly surprised. I just have a feeling they're only going to slightly increase CPU power, but put in a more contemporary GPU (for 2011/2012). It seems to me that the way things are going, most developers don't seem to know what to use increasing CPU power for asides from improving graphics..so...might as well just go with a 'small' CPU, 'big' GPU? Maybe I'll be surprised in the latter half of this generation, but that seems to be how more sophisticated developers are soaking up Cell's power. A 2011/2012 GPU could also be easily repurposed toward other processing tasks (like physics), if a developer actually needed significantly more power for things other than graphics.
gofreak said:Nein, danke. Unless they were heavily modified CBEs, which I think is unlikely if Sony wants to save on R&D.
Put in a reasonably power Cell CPU and a beefy nVidia GPU, and as much ram and bandwidth as can be afforded. $299 max. Make it break even or close to break-even from day one (not good for me as a consumer, but that's probably what sony will be targetting).
That's only considering the box though. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more to the whole setup than the core box, which would also require allowance in their budget.
So the twice the power comment in the OP is debunked?Durante said:I really doubt that, even should Sony go with a smaller performance increase, it would be in any way comparable to the GC->Wii travesty. For one thing, I'm certain that they would use a somewhat current GPU, and not overclock the same 5 year old model by 50%. And that alone would significantly increase its capabilities and programmability.
Haunted said:So the twice the power comment in the OP is debunked?
Someone needs to update this shit for me.
Fair enough. Guess we'll have to wait for another leak, or an official announcement or something.gofreak said:I don't really know where twice the power, or fewer SPEs, is coming from in the OP.
If it's the same old article as before, it's speculation about Sony using a Cell design in PS4 that may be only modestly more powerful than PS3's.
As I said, if that was the case, that covers one component that contributes toward 'overall' power..we wouldn't be able to say how it compares to PS3 overall without knowing what the GPU looked like, the memory set up, the bandwidth between chips and to memory etc.
Again, it's also just speculation aswell..though fairly plausible, IMO.
DrXym said:I don't know why they'd want less SPEs. The PS3 demonstrates how mind boggingly powerful they can be.
It pretty much is, and no, it's not.-viper- said:Wii isn't twice as powerful as the GC. Even the Xbox 1 is more powerful than the Wii!
Uh, no. HDDs are cheap as hell and they're going to continue getting cheaper. By 2012 40GB HDDs will be MORE EXPENSIVE than higher-capacity ones because nobody will be making them anymore.Tormentoso said:I think they learn the lesson,and i think they will go for a cheaper console that includes all like a $299 HDD build in, online free unit but with a low capacity HDD like 40 GB tops,after seeing how great the Wii has done at $250 i don't think they will try for another $500 or $600 console.
Sony loss their north,which was giving more to gamer for less,maybe they want to get back on that route fast.
The Take Out Bandit said:PS4, ONE SKU, $299.99 @ LAUNCH, BELIEVE WITH ME!
IMHO "twice the power" in the OP refers to the CPU. There, twice the power (that is FLOPs I guess) while being easier to program would make a lot of sense. OTOH, even rather low-cost GPUs today are much more powerful than PS360's. If an eventual PS4 doesn't have at least 5x the GPU performance of PS3 then I'll eat my hat. And that prediction is regardless of release date or price.Haunted said:So the twice the power comment in the OP is debunked?
Someone needs to update this shit for me.
So, PS4 So, CPU core 32 or the numbers and reach. Cell BE is present, 90nm shrink because of the layout while maintaining its basic version, the smaller the degree of reduction of the die. 235 square mm for the 90nm version, 65nm version is 175 square mm, 45nm version is 115 square mm. However, PS4 again to fix the design of a significant number of 45nm chips on the CPU cores can be (SPU Toshiba has significantly reduced the area of core). SCEs original "IKEIKE" Under the plan, 45 ~ 32nm in the 24 core and 32-core Cell BE and had potential. As if Moores Law, 32 reach the core. But SCE will probably do so.
I'm rooting for comic sans. Day one if it happens, no matter the price.davepoobond said:this one better have 2 usb ports in the back like the ps3 was supposed to have omg and no spiderman font
We will push the number of special processing units. By 2010, we will shoot for a teraflop on a chip. I think it establishes there is a roadmap. We want to invest in it. For those that want to invest in the software, it shows that there is life in this architecture as we continue to move forward.
DT: Right now youre at 200 gigaflops?
JK: Were in the low 200s now.
DT
So that is five times faster by 2010?
JK: Four or five times faster. Yes, you basically need about 32 special processing units.
Tormentoso said:I think they learn the lesson,and i think they will go for a cheaper console that includes all like a $299 HDD build in,online free unit but with a low capacity HDD like 40 GB tops,after seeing how great the Wii has done at $250 i don't think they will try for another $500 or $600 console.
Sony loss their north,which was giving more to gamer for less,maybe they want to get back on that route fast.
CrushDance said::lol Wasn't the same thread locked recently?
Karma said:Price is not the reason Wii is doing well.
Dark Octave said:Only twice? Didn't they say something like the PS3 is eight times more powerful than the PS2 and a bazillion bajillion times more powerful than the PS1?
Tormentoso said:I think they learn the lesson,and i think they will go for a cheaper console that includes all like a $299 HDD build in,online free unit but with a low capacity HDD like 40 GB tops,after seeing how great the Wii has done at $250 i don't think they will try for another $500 or $600 console.
Sony loss their north,which was giving more to gamer for less,maybe they want to get back on that route fast.
Durante said:IMHO "twice the power" in the OP refers to the CPU. There, twice the power (that is FLOPs I guess) while being easier to program would make a lot of sense. OTOH, even rather low-cost GPUs today are much more powerful than PS360's. If an eventual PS4 doesn't have at least 5x the GPU performance of PS3 then I'll eat my hat. And that prediction is regardless of release date or price.
I wish!Log4Girlz said:Basically I would expect games to look like current gen bullshots.
Thank god. Gaming forums are full of people clamoring for all of this framerate-killing bullshit that is generally only really noticible in stills. I'd rather have new shaders and hear a few complaints about jaggy in-game power cables than have devs waste time worrying about this stuff.Durante said:I wish!
If history is any indication we'll see slightly more polys and shader effects and still barely acceptable IQ (except in bullshots :/)
Log4Girlz said:If they choose an Nvidia chip again then yeah, I mean even if they try to go for a BOM that breaks even at $249 they'll have a GPU far more powerful than what's in the PS3, just not the leap one would expect (a 4x boost vs. an 8 or 12x boost).
Basically I would expect games to look like current gen bullshots.
I own one actually.epmode said:Buy a PC.