Honestly, yeah. An account system would be the best thing to combat this. I refuse to DL games from the store for that very reason.
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Gateway 3DS: First working 3DS flashcart? [Still region locked]
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Honestly, yeah. An account system would be the best thing to combat this. I refuse to DL games from the store for that very reason.
Krappadizzle
Member
They just seem so out of touch with the conumers. They make fantastic products, I got a 3DS XL and a ton of games and a Wii U in May, and I love both, they are insanely fun. But, if they would change a few things, I'd be throwing a ton more money at them. Mainly, a unified account, let me play my 3DS VC purchases on my Wii U, and for the love of Luigi, put some fucking super nintendo games on the 3DS(that again, I can play on my Wii U.) It seems like it should be a no brainer.
Cramoss
Member
That's the reason I don't buy digital shit on the 3DS.
After my Wii broke and Nintendo wouldn't let me transfer my 25 or so games to a new system, I stopped buying digital from them.
(I did end up saving those games by moving them over to my Wii U)
if the region info is stored in some file that is not digitally signed, this should work for region free. If it's stored in the game's executable, then it can't be done ever with this as that definitely is digitally signed, unless someone reverse the signature which is unlikely with this development. Pretty useless. Though this might open the way for game exploits (say, by modifying the files that aren't signed) and have the game load them into memory and open the system somewhat, now that can lead to interesting development.
I don't think that a Unified Account is enough. The alternatives (Microsoft and Sony) provide unified accounts, and I refuse to digitally buy things on their systems. (things that are available otherwise, that is).
Why you ask? Because their pricing is, again, ridiculous.
I already said this before, but unless Nintendo straight up steals Valve's Steam MO (Constant Respectable sales and, hell why not, pre-order discounts), why would I buy something digitally when I can get cheaper brand new on Amazon two weeks later?
Probably BS.
They might be working on a "game manager" but I highly doubt they have one already working because if they did they would've just showed it off in the video. And it's very likely they could never manage to get one working and they are just trying to sell this thing with promises. SHOW THE PROOF, don't just make promises.
So right now as the youtube video showed it's 1 microSD for everygame, not only that each microSD has to be the same file size as the game cartridge. If it can do anything more I'll believe when I see it.
From reading another thread/forum it appears save data is likely stored on the flashcard itself, not the microSD. Inserting a new game would overwrite the old save data, and you'd need an additional tool to back up your saves.
Since they're the only ones with this flashcart, it'll probably be expensive, maybe $100 or more. The first DS flashcarts were expensive too, before more companies started making them.
Even though its a 1:1 copy of the game Nintendo still has various ways they could detect it and block it, the most obvious being to compare the read/write speeds to the legit cartridge.
- It's inconvenient
- probably expensive
- potential to be blocked.
DonMigs85
Member
But really, who are we to decide what a game should be priced at?
Though I understand the disparity between retail and online can be... aggravating.
I'm not saying that "a brand new game at 49,99" is too expensive.
I'm saying that "a Digital Version of a game being 49,99 when everybody can find the same game, physically, brand new for 29,99 or less on Amazon/Target/Gamestop" is fucking idiotic.
hgarrett54
Banned
Yeah, I really hope this doesn't catch on. I'm very fond of the 3DS and would rather see its success continue.
A lot of people are using Nintendo's DRM as an excuse to pirate games, which is stupid. All it does is hurt devs.
Now, I think it would be nice to have backups of your games in case you lose your 3DS.
A lot of people are using Nintendo's DRM as an excuse to pirate games, which is stupid. All it does is hurt devs.
Now, I think it would be nice to have backups of your games in case you lose your 3DS.
Starwolf_UK
Member
A lot of people completely missunderstood that statement. Nintendo was basically saying that if you update, unauthorised things might not work and Nintendo is not liable. Such as the flashcart.
Its only in rare circumstances like Korean Wiis modified to run US firmware (they were much cheaper than US consoles) being updated which bricking occurred (from what I can gather Nintendo services charged the naughty boy fee of $220 for repair and were unapologetic to those who bought unawares because after all "if you looked at the serial number of the bottom you would see KOR meaning Korea").
Otherwise it is not normally in their interest to break hardware.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I've been salty over this news but I don't think I have much to add to the discission.
This can only bring harm, some of us would use it for region locking and back up... but a 99% of consumers would use it for piracy. I live in Mexico and we have stores that sell you hacked consoles with like a million games, this will be the same.
I want the 3DS to succeed, it's my favorite fucking console, I hope this doesn't bring it down.
This can only bring harm, some of us would use it for region locking and back up... but a 99% of consumers would use it for piracy. I live in Mexico and we have stores that sell you hacked consoles with like a million games, this will be the same.
I want the 3DS to succeed, it's my favorite fucking console, I hope this doesn't bring it down.
Of course not. If it's blocked they'll release a "new" version and make more money.
Edit: Nintendo could implement a new feature
Allow new games to be stored on an SD-card of your choice
Lock it with your 3DS'es signature
Add a read only switch in new gamecarts
Activate the switch when you use Flash-Store
If the 3DS can't write to the gamecart it won't boot it.
Presto! You can carry your 3DS games digitally and Nintendo doesn't risk people copying their games to friends!
iamaustrian
Member
No region unlock, one game per mini sd card and not one hint of homebrew.
This device is for pirating only. Nothing else
There is no excuse for purchasing this other than pirating. You won't be able to even transfer all ur games on a single sd card.
Hopefully nintendo updates the shit out of the 3ds to block that crap
This device is for pirating only. Nothing else
There is no excuse for purchasing this other than pirating. You won't be able to even transfer all ur games on a single sd card.
Hopefully nintendo updates the shit out of the 3ds to block that crap
Yep. How fucking backwards can one company be? That there's no account system is just so bizarre.
KojiKnight
Member
This. The warning is there in case of modification accidentally causes a brick/crash. The korean wiis (unlike all other regions, because it was released later) used a different set of encryption keys. By default, those keys can't be modified (they are put in read only space) so for custom korean firmware, they had to add the US keys elsewhere and tell the software to manually use those instead.
With a traditional update, the system menu didn't have those directions to "look elsewhere" for the keys, so it tried using the korean keys on a US or Euro firmware, failed, and then bricked (because it knew it was modified at that point).
It's not the first time it happened either. First generation DS slot-1 flashcards needed either a passthrough device (that piggy backed off of a real cart, or had a real cart's ROM chip inbedded on it like second generation flash carts) or a customized DS firmware. When the custom firmware was created, it stored extra data in the empty space at the end of the chip... along came Mario Kart 7 (and other wifi enabled games) which then used that space to store wifi settings, causing DS's to brick (at the time there was a big uproar on forums that Nintendo was intentionally bricking custom firmware DS's till it was determined it was how the custom firmware stored data that did it).
It's just Nintendo's way of covering it's ass in case you do something that causes a brick when updating.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Maybe the one game per mini card will prove too much hassle for pirates?
Anyways the "back up" reason always amused me. What if I lose my games or 3DS or whatever? Yeah, and there's no chance of you losing that Micro SD card?
Bony Manifesto
Member
Isn't the whole point of backup that you wouldn't have it on just that one SD card?
Zevenberge
Member
This.
I honestly don't get why a gamer's community like GAF is so excited about this. More piracy means less sales overall, resulting in less western localisations and less support overall.
BigDaddyFatSack
Banned
Welp. Time for me to get myself a 3DS. Which one should I get? 3DS XL or just the normal one?
XL. Keep in mind this doesn't circumvent region locking yet.
There's no such thing as "files that aren't signed" on the 3DS. AFAIK the entire ROM filesystem is signed *and* encrypted.
Freyjadour
Member
Serious question: whatever happened to keeping morality arguments out of these threads? Might as well rename the thread at this point.
frankie_baby
Member
yes you are supporting piracy by purchasing this device for 'legitimate' purposes, you are increasing the demand and therefore the viability of this vile product
Mithos
Member
Time to cancel the internet subscription then. Supporting piracy/downloading is BAD.
frankie_baby
Member
Eteric Rice
Member
Basically this.
HisshouBuraiKen
Member
C'mon man the 3DS has made great strides. I do agree the lack of region free is digsusting, though.
frankie_baby
Member
very funny, dont give up the day job though
No homebrew, then what's the point? I want to see what demosceners can do with the hardware and maybe code something small myself to experiment. I'd love it if someone made a decent Youtube browser with 3D support.
But in the OP it says someone said they're working on a loader? If they have a loader then they must be able to run unauthorized software. I guess it could be bullshit though. Unless I see it I won't believe it.
Haha yeah I remember looking for skins for my R4 and just couldn't find anything worthwile at all. Either it was completely hideous or there was something that didn't fit well with the overall theme etc. So I just gave up and used the default. Same with the AK2i and AKAIO. At least the standard AKAIO theme looks decent enough.
But in the OP it says someone said they're working on a loader? If they have a loader then they must be able to run unauthorized software. I guess it could be bullshit though. Unless I see it I won't believe it.
that's the worst part. DS flashcarts and their custom skins were ghetto as fuck
![[2173]screenshot.jpg](http://gbatemp.net/screenshots/[2173]screenshot.jpg)
it was like travelling back to the early 2000s
Haha yeah I remember looking for skins for my R4 and just couldn't find anything worthwile at all. Either it was completely hideous or there was something that didn't fit well with the overall theme etc. So I just gave up and used the default. Same with the AK2i and AKAIO. At least the standard AKAIO theme looks decent enough.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
The product isn't really any more vile than say, bittorrent. They are both neutral and can be used for good or bad.
That wasn't really false equivalence at all. Maybe taking it to the extreme like that does make it harder to see his point, though.
Anyway, I just see this as the first step to a better hack. We have the 3DS running cloned code, now we need to figure out how to make it run non-validated code.
Just like emulation threads, any talk on morals should stay out of the thread.
frankie_baby
Member
i'm sure the makers of this product had these allegedly good uses in mind when they made it
and no this is a piracy device pure and simple so why shouldn't we talk about its morals
peanutbutterlatte
Member
When negative use so vastly outweighs positive use, one wonders if it's worth the bother.
CrankyKong
Member
Damn, 2 years on and we still have region locking.
The pirate device makers steal from the homebrew scene, not the other way around. None of the high profile 3DS hackers are involved in this.
iamaustrian
Member
so you basicly admit that you would use it for pirating?
If you want to play a 2 player multi-cartdrige game, buy your girlfriend another copy of that game.
One good thing is at least publishers will have the option of going eshop only to avoid piracy. ..so we may well still get some of those games.
In a way this device will actually force people to buy from the eshop now...as companies just won't release at retail.
This argument... You could write down your 3DS's serial number and linking your club nintendo account to your eshop allows Nintendo to see the games you have bought. They could transfer your games to the new 3DS or give you credit to buy them again. And why should you lose your 3DS? Sure it could get stolen, but I doubt this is a common thing. This is just a stupid argument to support pirated games.
ElementalMage
Banned
I personally dont condone piracy. I will continue to buy games like normal.
I really hate the people who try to justify piracy because "they don't have money to buy games boohoo". Fuck, does somebody REALLY think it is some kind of civil right to be able to play newest expensive video games without paying anything? If you don't have that much money, you only play the games you can afford or just buy fewer games. It is simple as that! Internet is full of cheap and free games that you can play legally for example free to play games and humble bundles.
People who still decide to pirate games should at least accept that other people might not think so highly of them...
People who still decide to pirate games should at least accept that other people might not think so highly of them...
AdawgDaFAB
Member
If this leads to region unlocking and legit homebrew being made then I'll support it. Otherwise, its nothing more than a piracy tool that deserves to be blocked asap after release.
AzureSkies
Member
If this lead to region unlocking, it would be absolutely amazing. I'm contemplating purchasing an EU 3DS just to be able to play Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate with my brother.
Why is multiplayer region locked?
Why is multiplayer region locked?