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[Bel Marduk]

I can't remember which book it was, although it's probably in my box of books. (Probably The History Of Sexuality.) Basically, coming out is important because it makes others aware of gay men and women. Whether or not there is a negative reaction doesn't matter, the fact that it's out there makes it powerful.

If you don't understand why, it's because the very nature of presence is important. If the general public begin to know gay people, they'll likely change their views about them. If gay people stay in the shadows, then they'll continue to be thought of as insignificant deviants with no moral compass, and you know how that goes.

Very well stated. Its much easier to hate people you don't know.

 

[RM8]

People shouldn't feel the need to put themselves on the vanguard of social reform if they're not comfortable with how it will affect their lives, though. I realize that you made no such claim but I think idealizing this notion can seem to present that position. People have to look out for their own interests and potentially placing gay solidarity ahead of that isn't always going to be a good idea. Even when it might still be, the individual has to be on board. Some people will always be a bit more cautious where their privacy and security are concerned.

Honestly, this. My privacy, what I want for me - that goes first. I'm sorry if it seems selfish, but I firmly believe I do have the right to keep -anything- I want about me to myself if that's what I want.

 

[DR2K]

Hah, lost a promotion/job for coming out to coworkers in the past. Never again, fuck em.

 

[Sibylus]

Not everyone is comfortable being a banner waver, or even just openly talking about their personal lives, and there's nothing at all wrong with that. Discussion needs a sturdy dose of empathy, I think.

 

[royalan]

See that's sweet but no one said anything about being gay being what's most important about them. People knowing you're gay is entirely different from talking about dicks all the time.

Seriously. Fucking THIS. I think it's despicable that people are being labeled as being "all about their sexuality" just because they have the audacity to treat their sexuality with the same openness as all the heterosexuals of the world.

Honestly, this. My privacy, what I want for me - that goes first. I'm sorry if it seems selfish, but I firmly believe I do have the right to keep -anything- I want about me to myself if that's what I want.

Maybe I didn't read far enough back in the thread, but I do think there's a difference between not disclosing something about yourself and actively hiding it. I got the impression you were doing the latter.

 

[RM8]

I don't pretend to be into girls, but I don't make it my mission to be sure people get it right. See DR2K's post, I don't need to go through crap like that and being low profile tends to be a much better idea at work. "I'm single", that's how far I go.

 

[Kangi]

I can't remember which book it was, although it's probably in my box of books. (Probably The History Of Sexuality.) Basically, coming out is important because it makes others aware of gay men and women. Whether or not there is a negative reaction doesn't matter, the fact that it's out there makes it powerful.

If you don't understand why, it's because the very nature of presence is important. If the general public begin to know gay people, they'll likely change their views about them. If gay people stay in the shadows, then they'll continue to be thought of as insignificant deviants with no moral compass, and you know how that goes.

I dunno, I'm fairly sure that most people are "aware" of gay people, at this point. It's 2013. But not every gay person has to come out and give gay people in general "visibility". Everyone's got the right to their privacy and nobody should feel pressured to be, as said earlier, a banner-waver. The point is that "You're gay, so what?" SHOULD be other people's attitude towards gay people. Just knowing gay people exist won't make that so; we have to make it that way ourselves.

See that's sweet but no one said anything about being gay being what's most important about them. People knowing you're gay is entirely different from talking about dicks all the time.

Seriously. Fucking THIS. I think it's despicable that people are being labeled as being "all about their sexuality" just because they have the audacity to treat their sexuality with the same openness as all the homosexuals of the world.

...For the record, I think it's pretty clear I didn't address anyone here specifically with the "all about their sexuality" thing. I was talking about myself and stated that I treat my sexuality as an unimportant detail and that treating it like it's the most important characterizing factor seems like a bad way to live to me; sure I could've specified that there's an obvious middle-ground, but I was fairly sure that's a given. People on that high-end of the spectrum do exist and they happen to annoy me, so I just brought it up. If I was addressing anyone or trying to for some reason argue against being open about your sexuality, I would've quoted someone. *shrug* Not everyone in GayGAF is trying to start drama.

 

[Deleted member 20920]

I dunno, I'm fairly sure that most people are "aware" of gay people, at this point. It's 2013. But not every gay person has to come out and give gay people in general "visibility". Everyone's got the right to their privacy and nobody should feel pressured to be, as said earlier, a banner-waver. The point is that "You're gay, so what?" SHOULD be other people's attitude towards gay people. Just knowing gay people exist won't make that so; we have to make it that way ourselves.

You'll be surprised... Just a few years ago I was on the way back with some classmates from a class I was taking. This 20 year old girl was saying she was quite sure there wasn't any gays in the class and I was like trying my best to not laugh out loud. She practically worded her views and made it as though gays are as rare and mythical as Yetis, The irony was that she was from the Arts, Design and Media faculty so that basically means she probably has gay classmates in every single class that she has to take. I barely knew her and didn't feel compelled to just come out to her and a bunch of other people at the same time.

But I do have to say that this is Singapore. We're one of the few countries who still hold on to law(s) that incriminates sex between men in the name of an existing (or non-existing) bunch of conservatives in the country.

 

[royalan]

...For the record, I think it's pretty clear I didn't address anyone here specifically with the "all about their sexuality" thing. I was talking about myself and stated that I treat my sexuality as an unimportant detail and that treating it like it's the most important characterizing factor seems like a bad way to live to me; sure I could've specified that there's an obvious middle-ground, but I was fairly sure that's a given. People on that high-end of the spectrum do exist and they happen to annoy me, so I just brought it up. If I was addressing anyone or trying to for some reason argue against being open about your sexuality, I would've quoted someone. *shrug* Not everyone in GayGAF is trying to start drama.

...So, to continue a discussion with people you acknowledge aren't being extremist in their views, you direct your argument towards people who are extremist in their views (who don't exist in this thread)?

As for me, I don't go around announcing my sexuality to the world, either. The last person I had the "coming out" conversation with was my grandmother, years ago. In all other situations, I treat my sexuality as any other part of my character. I don't "announce it," But I do nothing to hide it. Most of my coworkers know I'm gay because of things I've said, or the fact that my bf (at the time) has come to visit me at work and I greeted him with a kiss just like anyone else would. Not because I've sat them down and had "the talk." I think very few people do that these days. I think the argument in this thread is directed at the mindset that "keeping my sexuality to myself" means "actively hiding it."

 

[Kangi]

...So, to continue a discussion with people you acknowledge aren't being extremist in their views, you direct your argument towards people who are extremist in their views (who don't exist in this thread)?

Was fairly sure the discussion was long dead by that point (by uh... yeah, like three hours). Just decided to drop my two cents in about how I treat my sexuality, and then throw a word in about if someone doesn't want to talk about their sexuality, that's fine. So I made a comparison to extremists in that first cent. Wee.

You'll be surprised... Just a few years ago I was on the way back with some classmates from a class I was taking. This 20 year old girl was saying she was quite sure there wasn't any gays in the class and I was like trying my best to not laugh out loud. She practically worded her views and made it as though gays are as rare and mythical as Yetis, The irony was that she was from the Arts, Design and Media faculty so that basically means she probably has gay classmates in every single class that she has to take. I barely knew her and didn't feel compelled to just come out to her and a bunch of other people at the same time.

But I do have to say that this is Singapore. We're one of the few countries who still hold on to law(s) that incriminates sex between men in the name of an existing (or non-existing) bunch of conservatives in the country.

Yeah... countries like Singapore do need more gay visibility. But of course, coming out in a hostile environment is a tricky situation, so I wouldn't blame anyone who would rather keep quiet.

 

[fernoca]

Reminds me of the well known actor, Victor Garber recently "coming out".

Even when he had been with his partner for 14 years, he "just came out" because an interviewer found out on Wikipedia that he's living with a man and asked him about it. His response? "I don’t really talk about it but everybody knows. He’s going to be out here with me for the SAG Awards."

 

[GasProblem]

Reminds me of the well known actor, Victor Garber recently "coming out".

Even when he had been with his partner for 14 years, he "just came out" because an interviewer found out on Wikipedia that he's living with a man and asked him about it. His response? "I don’t really talk about it but everybody knows. He’s going to be out here with me for the SAG Awards."

Yeah, had no idea he was gay. And HOLY shit his partner is hot

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Hah, lost a promotion/job for coming out to coworkers in the past. Never again, fuck em.

The other person may have just been better.

 

[mantidor]

Yeah, had no idea he was gay. And HOLY shit his partner is hot

Holly crap.

This is the kind of thing my 11 year old self needed. Nothing against the more flamboyant gays, but I never related with them, so knowing Boy George was gay was not only obvious, it made me feel alienated. If I knew back then about gay guys like this I would've had such much better teenage years.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Holly crap.

This is the kind of thing my 11 year old self needed. Nothing against the more flamboyant gays, but I never related with them, so knowing Boy George was gay was not only obvious, it made me feel alienated. If I knew back then about gay guys like this I would've had such much better teenage years.

Like Wentworth Miller?

 

[mantidor]

Like Wentworth Miller?

what, he's gay? I don't think so... or am I missing some joke?

You know, more than these guys people out on other fields is more important. We know acting and theater have more gay people than any other area, but the difference it would have made for me to know guys like Alan Turing or Robert Halford were gay.

 

[CDX]

what, he's gay? I don't think so... or am I missing some joke?

If you follow celebrity gossip, yeah. Wentworth was supposedly dating out actor Luke MacFarlane from the TV show Brother and Sisters.

and actor Tyron Leitso who I only know from the canceled TV show WonderFalls

 

[chronos4590]

I dunno, I'm fairly sure that most people are "aware" of gay people, at this point. It's 2013. But not every gay person has to come out and give gay people in general "visibility". Everyone's got the right to their privacy and nobody should feel pressured to be, as said earlier, a banner-waver. The point is that "You're gay, so what?" SHOULD be other people's attitude towards gay people. Just knowing gay people exist won't make that so; we have to make it that way ourselves.
I think you take a lot for granted. but thats just my personal perspective. Yeah its 2013 but what does that mean for the family who never had anyone come out in their family.Or the family that thinks that those gays are only people you see on the news partying in these paredes it up and having brunch with Ina Garten. All jokes aside. A family might just see gay people as just people they see but don't know, lika a modern myth until they see that these people are actually in their lives already.


...For the record, I think it's pretty clear I didn't address anyone here specifically with the "all about their sexuality" thing. I was talking about myself and stated that I treat my sexuality as an unimportant detail and that treating it like it's the most important characterizing factor seems like a bad way to live to me; sure I could've specified that there's an obvious middle-ground, but I was fairly sure that's a given. People on that high-end of the spectrum do exist and they happen to annoy me, so I just brought it up. If I was addressing anyone or trying to for some reason argue against being open about your sexuality, I would've quoted someone. *shrug* Not everyone in GayGAF is trying to start drama.

Tbh who do you know that does this. I mean Yeah i'm black, it sure does define a lot about me, but i'lll be damned if its the only way how I Identify. Yeah i might be gay but its not the only way i Identify either. I'm a person that is made up of those attributes Plus so much more as well. You are right it shouldn't be the only thing that defines anyone. But do you really think that most people do?

 

[RM8]

It seems like nationalism to me. I'm Mexican but it hardly defines anything, and I'm not proud of this country at all. I don't feel identified with people who think being born within a determined geographic perimeter means anything. Man, it's -exactly- like that, I got a new to-go analogy

In other news I might be keeping my job. I'm grinning like an idiot - I'm not sure for how long I'll be around here but at the very least my former boss leaving didn't affect anyone as everyone was expecting. Plus one of my coworkers might step up as our new boss, that'd be pretty awesome because he's a really nice guy. So was my former boss, really.

 

[michaeltraps]

I'm with you on this one Rm88. As someone who has gone through both "coming out" to myself and the majority of the people in my life, I'm much prouder of the moment when I finally became comfortable with my sexuality. That EXACT moment will be burned into my mind forever and it is one of my proudest personal accomplishments.

Maybe it's different for people who were comfortable with themselves since day 1, but it's definitely not a one size fits all situation.

 

[KmA]

So I just came out to my lady friend and she is the second person I've told so far. I was really awkward and timid so to lighten the mood I said something along the lines of "At least we have something in common, we both like dick." Then she got really awkward and was like "uhhhh..." and it hit me, she's a lesbian.

I don't know why but I started laughing frantically, it was a mutual coming out scenario. It felt like a scene from a cheesy movie but it made my day so much better and I couldn't stop smiling. My best friend is gay too.

Sorry to break the pace of the thread I just needed to tell someone this

 

[stone128]

So I just came out to my lady friend and she is the second person I've told so far. I was really awkward and timid so to lighten the mood I said something along the lines of "At least we have something in common, we both like dick." Then she got really awkward and was like "uhhhh..." and it hit me, she's a lesbian.

I don't know why but I started laughing frantically, it was a mutual coming out scenario. It felt like a scene from a cheesy movie but it made my day so much better and I couldn't stop smiling. My best friend is gay too.

Sorry to break the pace of the thread I just needed to tell someone this

That is funny

 

[Dany]

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Huh, thats weirdly funny

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Argh fucking hell guys, it's becoming harder and harder to deal with this shit. No, I don't mean being Gay but not staring at this one guy I have in a class. It's just that I feel incredibly creepy, I thought that maybe it was infatuation and that I would get over it, but this shit is way different. To make things worse, I just can't talk with this guy like a normal person, I can't spark up a conversation because I just don't know what to say, I get nervous and it's embarrasing. Help me GayGaf, is there nothing I can do? I think we could be good friends, I can talk with any guy or girl normally but this dude fucks me up.

 

[Sagitario]

I don't pretend to be into girls, but I don't make it my mission to be sure people get it right. See DR2K's post, I don't need to go through crap like that and being low profile tends to be a much better idea at work. "I'm single", that's how far I go.

Honestly, this. My privacy, what I want for me - that goes first. I'm sorry if it seems selfish, but I firmly believe I do have the right to keep -anything- I want about me to myself if that's what I want.

So, if someone asks (a co-worker, a friend, an acquaintance, a family member, etc.) something like:
- Are you gay?
- Do you [even] like girls?
Or if the person assumes you're gay and [maybe] some gay related subject is brought up (this happened to me 2 weeks ago)... in a non-hostile environment, you won't respond with the truth?

I understand being private (I am a really private person myself), but there is a difference when lying unnecessarily.

 

[fernoca]

Talking about crushes...
There's a guy that comes every week to my job, and he reminds me a lot to Disney's Aladdin. XD
Same hair, body, face...damn.

Know it sounds weird, but still... XD
One of thsoe "impossible kinda of crushes", that one looks, kinda admires; but that's it.

@Youngblade; yeah I've been there. The "best" would be (if you want to actually talk to him) to try to look for what stuff he likes, does or even classes you have in common. The classic "hey, did you take notes of the last class? I think I missed a few things and the other person I asked didn't had anythng"... ;p

Granted, is a "ymmv" thing (your mileage may vary) like with everything. And I don't ave the best track record, much less good results on trying to get to know people.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

So, if someone asks (a co-worker, a friend, an acquaintance, a family member, etc.) something like:
- Are you gay?
- Do you [even] like girls?
Or if the person assumes you're gay and [maybe] some gay related subject is brought up (this happened to me 2 weeks ago)... in a non-hostile environment, you won't respond with the truth?

I understand being private (I am a really private person myself), but there is a difference when lying unnecessarily.

I think that usually the standard response in that situation for someone who feels that way is "I feel that that is none of your business".

Argh fucking hell guys, it's becoming harder and harder to deal with this shit. No, I don't mean being Gay but not staring at this one guy I have in a class. It's just that I feel incredibly creepy, I thought that maybe it was infatuation and that I would get over it, but this shit is way different. To make things worse, I just can't talk with this guy like a normal person, I can't spark up a conversation because I just don't know what to say, I get nervous and it's embarrasing. Help me GayGaf, is there nothing I can do? I think we could be good friends, I can talk with any guy or girl normally but this dude fucks me up.

Try detaching yourself a bit. It's fine to have feelings but don't cling to them or get fixated, as that's something that you do with the feelings that you have. This is easier said than done, because that's basically our default habit for things we like or whatever, but it isn't the only way. Though going against our habits calls for a certain kind of consistent vigilance, you basically have to catch yourself when you start getting too invested. Try examining what you hope to get out of your relationship to him, and in the process see that it isn't really that important. If you do get it or you don't, you'll still be you and your life really won't change all that much.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Talking about crushes...
There's a guy that comes every week to my job, and he reminds me a lot to Disney's Aladdin. XD
Same hair, body, face...damn.

Know it sounds weird, but still... XD
One of thsoe "impossible kinda of crushes", that one looks, kinda admires; but that's it.

@Youngblade; yeah I've been there. The "best" would be (if you want to actually talk to him) to try to look for what stuff he likes, does or even classes you have in common. The classic "hey, did you take notes of the last class? I think I missed a few things and the other person I asked didn't had anythng"... ;p

Granted, is a "ymmv" thing (your mileage may vary) like with everything. And I don't ave the best track record, much less good results on trying to get to know people.

I think he likes Basketball, the only class we have together is P.E (But he has the same fucking teachers as I do, just different periods, how the hell does this happen?) so I can't ask for notes : |

 

[fernoca]

I think he likes Basketball, the only class we have together is P.E (But he has the same fucking teachers as I do, just different periods, how the hell does this happen?) so I can't ask for notes : |

Oh! Hmm...more difficult then. Don't know what to say that could make you feel better or something.

If anything ,like most crushes and stuff like this, if it wasn't mean to be anything, no friends or anything at this moment, it will just pass. Might/will be difficult at first, as you may feel even desperate, but just keep focused. Take a videogame orsomething to class, or something (any one thing that makes you comfortable and keeps your mind focused)...see if it might grab his attention too while you're at it.

 

[Sagitario]

I think that usually the standard response in that situation for someone who feels that way is "I feel that that is none of your business".

While I understand that response with strangers, people you don't get along, co-workers or persons with little impact or interaction in your [daily] life, "... none of your business" implies [to me] a rude/hostile answer that is simply beating around the bush (and people will take it as a yes, anyway, though I am sure you wouldn't care)... but the hypothetical situation I inquired about (specifically in this case) was on a friendly or non-hostile situation.

I know I wouldn't answer that way... in fact, I haven't done it so far.

 

[DR2K]

The other person may have just been better.

There was no other person, and it doesn't really get better than this.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Oh! Hmm...more difficult then. Don't know what to say that could make you feel better or something.

If anything ,like most crushes and stuff like this, if it wasn't mean to be anything, no friends or anything at this moment, it will just pass. Might/will be difficult at first, as you may feel even desperate, but just keep focused. Take a videogame orsomething to class, or something (any one thing that makes you comfortable and keeps your mind focused)...see if it might grab his attention too while you're at it.

Haha, well thanks anyway! It's been 3 months since I had a class with him. Seriously hoping this is just some long lasting crush or anything, I can't stand it xD

 

[dragonlife]

There was no other person, and it doesn't really get better than this.

I enjoy your posts. I say that plainly. I enjoy what they imply and what they cause in here. Thank you.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

While I understand that response with strangers, people you don't get along, co-workers or persons with little impact or interaction in your [daily] life, "... none of your business" implies [to me] a rude/hostile answer that is simply beating around the bush (and people will take it as a yes, anyway, though I am sure you wouldn't care)... but the hypothetical situation I inquired about (specifically in this case) was on a friendly or non-hostile situation.

I know I wouldn't answer that way... in fact, I haven't done it so far.

There are gentler ways of saying it, though. And communicating that you don't really care to be the subject of their questions isn't really beating around the bush, from that person's perspective it's telling the other person everything they need to know. I know what you mean, but generally I find that it's impolite to probe people, if someone wants you to know something they're generally eager to tell you.

 

[RM8]

So, if someone asks (a co-worker, a friend, an acquaintance, a family member, etc.) something like:
- Are you gay?
- Do you [even] like girls?
Or if the person assumes you're gay and [maybe] some gay related subject is brought up (this happened to me 2 weeks ago)... in a non-hostile environment, you won't respond with the truth?

This hasn't happened to me, I'm not sure. A more polite version of umop_3pisdn's answer is something I'd say I guess. And honestly, it is none of their business

 

[Nlroh]

It seems like nationalism to me. I'm Mexican but it hardly defines anything, and I'm not proud of this country at all. I don't feel identified with people who think being born within a determined geographic perimeter means anything. Man, it's -exactly- like that, I got a new to-go analogy

You're exactly like my 20 year old self. I still agree with almost everything you've said on the last couple of pages, though.

While I understand that response with strangers, people you don't get along, co-workers or persons with little impact or interaction in your [daily] life, "... none of your business" implies [to me] a rude/hostile answer that is simply beating around the bush (and people will take it as a yes, anyway, though I am sure you wouldn't care)... but the hypothetical situation I inquired about (specifically in this case) was on a friendly or non-hostile situation.

I remember one particular situation when someone asked me that, I answered her and she never believed me, she thought I was joking or being sarcastic. I need to find a better way to convey sarcasm irl.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I need to find a better way to convey sarcasm irl.

I find that it helps to snarl the word out instead of just saying it normally.

 

[Nlroh]

I find that it helps to snarl the word out instead of just saying it normally.

The problem is I snarl almost every word that comes out of my mouth. People also say I'm incredibly snarky, so even when I'm being serious they think I'm just sarcastic.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

The problem is I snarl almost every word that comes out of my mouth. People also say I'm incredibly snarky, so even when I'm being serious they think I'm just sarcastic.

People mistake your snarky snarls as sarcasm? Sounds like they have a problem, not you.

 

[Mr. F]

The problem is I snarl almost every word that comes out of my mouth. People also say I'm incredibly snarky, so even when I'm being serious they think I'm just sarcastic.

You do realise this gives you the power to say anything and get away with it? If no one can ever tell your sarcasm from your being serious...it's the perfect crime.

 

[Nlroh]

People mistake your snarky snarls as sarcasm? Sounds like they have a problem, not you.

People mistake my serious non-snarky snarls as sarcasm.

But yeah, I have a problem, that's why I need to find a better way to convey sarcasm. I need like a real life set of smileys...

You do realise this gives you the power to say anything and get away with it? If no one can ever tell your sarcasm from your being serious...it's the perfect crime.

I know. Sometimes I say mean things I'm really thinking, and people laugh as if it was a joke.

 

[soco]

There are gentler ways of saying it, though. And communicating that you don't really care to be the subject of their questions isn't really beating around the bush, from that person's perspective it's telling the other person everything they need to know. I know what you mean, but generally I find that it's impolite to probe people, if someone wants you to know something they're generally eager to tell you.

the latter portion isn't really true. I've been around many, many people who won't volunteer any information and actually _want_ you to probe. I see this all the time in my volunteer work all the time. I've even had it in relationships.

some people take the constant probing as a sign of interest and caring.

 

[lenovox1]

People mistake my serious non-snarky snarls as sarcasm.

But yeah, I have a problem, that's why I need to find a better way to convey sarcasm. I need like a real life set of smileys...

I'm the complete opposite. Everyone takes everything I say seriously even though I'm just fucking around 90% of the time. And, like you, I need real life smileys.

 

[Mr. F]

I'm the complete opposite. Everyone takes everything I say seriously even though I'm just fucking around 90% of the time. And, like you, I need real life smileys.

This is where I fall. I'm almost never serious, but few have caught on to the fact.

 

[Delio]

I dunno why but I was hit with a large amount of depression right now. Of course it has to happen in the middle of the night.

 

[Bel Marduk]

Argh fucking hell guys, it's becoming harder and harder to deal with this shit. No, I don't mean being Gay but not staring at this one guy I have in a class. It's just that I feel incredibly creepy, I thought that maybe it was infatuation and that I would get over it, but this shit is way different. To make things worse, I just can't talk with this guy like a normal person, I can't spark up a conversation because I just don't know what to say, I get nervous and it's embarrasing. Help me GayGaf, is there nothing I can do? I think we could be good friends, I can talk with any guy or girl normally but this dude fucks me up.

Is he gay? Do you think he might be?

 

[umop_3pisdn]

the latter portion isn't really true. I've been around many, many people who won't volunteer any information and actually _want_ you to probe. I see this all the time in my volunteer work all the time. I've even had it in relationships.

some people take the constant probing as a sign of interest and caring.

What I was meaning to say is that people are generally pretty eager to talk about themselves, if you give them openings and they don't take the bait it's usually a pretty good sign to leave them alone. There are polite ways of asking people personal questions, usually they go something like "do you mind if I ask you ____?" The reason this works is the asker is showing the consideration that they recognize that the question may be unwanted. If you already have a close relationship you just skip this step, but you don't abruptly try to raise the level of intimacy by asking people personal questions and expect it to work unless they want you to, and usually it's pretty easy to tell, or you can just ask.

 

[dragonlife]

I dunno why but I was hit with a large amount of depression right now. Of course it has to happen in the middle of the night.

Dude, don't worry; we'll get FE soon! skypesun.gif

 

[Dany]

skypesun.gif

It's the only reason I use Skype tbh for the emoticons.

Not for the people or conversations. (coffee)

 

[Sagitario]

Best.Emoticon.Ever!