JohnnyFootball
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For the longest time Steam was the only way to play certain games.
Gamers were okay with that monopoly.
Gamers were okay with that monopoly.
And thus the great argument cycle begins anew.For the longest time Steam was the only way to play certain games.
Gamers were okay with that monopoly.
]Epic is a blessing for pc gamers if only to kick start steam back into progress,
Also ffs stop pretending EPIC will magically attract steam users with 100+ game collections tied to that platform.
It needs to be aggressive. And lure users with amazing timed exclusives.
And do you think those 2 weekly free games just magically happen to be free for epic?
They need users to build a proper game collection so they are stuck to the platform like steam.
Is it fair for consumers? NO
Do they need to do this? YES[
Is it fair for consumers? NO
Do they need to do this? YES
For the longest time Steam was the only way to play certain games.
Gamers were okay with that monopoly.
Spin it however you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that for many many years Steam was the only game in town and if you as a developer wanted in the game, you pretty much had to be on Steam. Steam didn’t moneyhat,because THEY DIDNT HAVE TO. Make no mistake, Steam used that power. They had draconian policies such as having the power to lock out your entire library and had terrible customer service. Plenty of people, myself included, had bad experiences with that customer service.Fuck me dead. How many times does this need to be said?
Valve didn't chase after developers/publishers and pay them to only release on Steam. They chased after Valve and wanted to be on Sream.
Valve did not create a monopoly, they are not trying to control the market.
Epic on the other hand are trying to create a monopoly. They are chasing after and paying developers/publishers to be exclusive on their store.They are trying to control the market.
Anyone who is angry at Valve from "creating a monopoly" really needs to rethink their thinking. It's Epic you should be angry with.
LOLJust because Steam was successfull doesnt mean it was a monopoly lol
Spin it however you want,
LOL. Read the definition of monopoly:Just because Steam was successfull doesnt mean it was a monopoly lol
I am not making Valve out to be the bad guy, but they're definitely getting romanticized and being treated as some sort of perfect entity by many gamers on here. As I said in my previous post, Steam doesn't have a perfect history and I mention some examples in my previous post. But maybe I am still bitter about the error in 2013 on their end that locked me out of my entire Steam library for over a week and had to go through their long drawn out customer service. I'll acknowledge that.I'm not spinning anything. It's other people that are spinning the story, trying to make out like Valve are the bad guys when all they truly did was build an ecosystem that everyone eventually wanted to be a part of. Thanks for bring up Origin because that is a perfect example of proper competition and like you pointed out, it got Valve to improve their service. Epic on the other hand is doing absolutely nothing to make Valve want to better themselves.
LOL. Read the definition of monopoly:
“exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity.”
Steam was the only game I town offering most games.
Sorry dude, but by definition they were.
Yet, I am the one that knows the definition of monopoly.You have no idea what ur talking about
Steam didn't have a monopoly on anything. Even if you were to call it a de facto monopoly you'd be wrong. The argument is borderline idiotic anyhow since Epic is the one buying up exclusives. How many exclusives did Steam buy? I can't recall any.
I am well aware that moneyhatting sucks, but Steam is long overdue for this sort of competition.
Well for starters Epic is bringing you the means to play games like BL3, The Outer Worlds and Division 2 exclusively.On that topic.
You say that Steam is long overdue for competition.
But what does Epic bring to the table that improves the experience for the consumer?
Even on the developer side, remove the moneyhatting and what does it improve for developers? Keeping in mind that Steam has 90+ million active users and Epic has a potential user base of about 45+ million. There is the 12% cut but most games are lowering their price so in the end they aren't really gaining that extra 8-18% extra revenue.
For the longest time Steam was the only way to play certain games.
Gamers were okay with that monopoly.
Well for starters Epic is bringing you the means to play games like BL3, The Outer Worlds and Division 2 exclusively.
He made a good point i can't beat.You are being willfully ignorant and a troll at this point. I am and others should just report you to mods.
For the longest time Steam was the only way to play certain games.
Gamers were okay with that monopoly.
Well for starters Epic is bringing you the means to play games like BL3, The Outer Worlds and Division 2 exclusively.
You are being willfully ignorant and a troll at this point. I am and others should just report you to mods.
You are being willfully ignorant and a troll at this point. I am and others should just report you to mods.
Let me play the Devil's advocate here....
What if...
Epic didn't open the Epic Games Store because they thought "There is an untapped market and we can make tons of Money from it" or "We've got to help our chinise Overlords to take one step closer to world domination", bur instead they made it because they thought "WTF! Steam has a complete monopoly here and charges developers ridiculous amounts to use their platform. What if we use our only chance now that we are at the top of our game and make our own platform to help the little guy." like any teenager who saw and injustice would.
Think of that scenario...
IMO The only viable criticisms against the Epic Store are:
Of the rest of the problems, most are all fixable within a year!
- The Spyware! With much of their shares being owned by a Chinese company, where in the Chinese government, privacy maters little, It can be hard to trust them with your information.
- Them not allowing adult games.
If developers give temporary exclusivity to Epic, perhaps that's because they actually want to support what Epic is doing and they are not just "being bought out by the Epic Evil Corp". If Epic takes a much smaller cut by default, it's also a good deal worthy of whatever initial loss in sales they might have despite the back lash.
If Epic can charge less that half of Steam's cut on games, despite having a smaller audience and library, and manages to stay afloat, then Steam is a much better candidate for the "Evil corp", that swims in cash by charging tons and have the fans with the established libraries defend it, while they haven't produced a proper game them self's in decades!
For the record, I haven't even installed the Epic store on my PC, let alone have an account on it. I almost exclusively play on Consoles, with the exception of some ports of indie games and classics like YS, where Steam is the only variable option to have access on the whole series, and GW2 that isn't available on ANY of the digital stores. As a console gamer, I find platform exclusives perfectly normal, and it this case you don't even have to buy another hardware to gain access to it. PC, unlike consoles, is an open platform, and if you wanted it to be closed, then you would had been buying your games from Microsoft's Store that is the platform maker.You can always direct your message to your own agenda, in reality All companies are evil and selfish, some more than others. But what i dont like about epic is they are trying to introduce a element of competition that will be counter responded With war mentality, This sort of competition is unhealthy for the open nature of the pc marked. How can anyone think that less functionality is a good outcome for a platform. I can reasonable understand, hardware limitations will produce exclusivities as its not as easy a task to produce to different system structures.
However i believe that epic could be a good alternative if they get a link with your already owned steam library of games. And stop With the exclusivity deals. After all games are not owned, we just Pay for a digital access, but you either have a donkey full of money or you are born less intelligent to double dip on epic store already owned steam games. It just makes No sense at all. And collectivisme is a huge part of our dna some are more subceptible to it than others. Or they have a Even more expensive collection they are managing but for many people there purpose is filling There digital libraries with games. Valve know this its a existentiel part of many people to collect and gather things for storage.
I hope something can be done digital platforms are becoming pests for our society, No one knows what to do With them and the profits are massively directed to one location in the world in a few hands its largely unhealthy for the entire market if it will continue this way much longer.
If I get the Xbox One version will I be able to transfer my save/characters to the Steam version later?
Hmmmm
They should actively remove them.
Who should have the power to say what is wrong or not? Should they give the power to remove reviews to devs so they can remove all the negative ones?
Not all negative reviews during the review bombing was a "fuck you epic" post... For the new Borderlands GOTY Enchanced there were people posting about the bugs they had in the game and some of those were thrown in the same pile as the review bombs.
For the longest time Steam was the only way to play certain games.
Gamers were okay with that monopoly.
Yup Valve basically saved pc gaming from falling off a cliff so yeah
Hahaha poor people amirite? I too enjoy it when things cost more than they used to - almost as much as I love gatekeeping.whats funny is that its people who mostly cant afford games at their normal full prices who are all up against Epic's ass
you'll never see them complain about having to download a separate launcher to play a Moba, since it's free. Like if you think we can't see the "gamers" who cant afford games at their historically lowest entry price you're fucking delusional, its the only valid reason for all that false debacle around steam and egs. Tl dr : you're broke, try again
Hahaha poor people amirite? I too enjoy it when things cost more than they used to - almost as much as I love gatekeeping.
So this is an argument about the 1% now?whats funny is that its people who mostly cant afford games at their normal full prices who are all up against Epic's ass
you'll never see them complain about having to download a separate launcher to play a Moba, since it's free. Like if you think we can't see the "gamers" who cant afford games at their historically lowest entry price you're fucking delusional, its the only valid reason for all that false debacle around steam and egs. Tl dr : you're broke, try again
So this is an argument about the 1% now?
Someone hasn't been reading the discourse.
whats funny is that its people who mostly cant afford games at their normal full prices who are all up against Epic's ass
you'll never see them complain about having to download a separate launcher to play a Moba, since it's free. Like if you think we can't see the "gamers" who cant afford games at their historically lowest entry price you're fucking delusional, its the only valid reason for all that false debacle around steam and egs. Tl dr : you're broke, try again
It would make my day if all this crying actually made 2k give Epic permanent exclusivity to all of their games, including RDR2.
BL 3 is already on track of being the highest grossing game of 2019 judging by preorders alone
source?