fallengorn
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Holy moley, the production design is pretty on point.
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Ghost In The Shell (2017) Trailer
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UnemployedVillain
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Second most overdone thing. The first would be the optical camo building jump.
Jex
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Okay, I'm not here to argue that Oshii's occasional dives into heavy philosophy aren't jarring but I cannot accept the notion that the film doesn't engage with it's themes. It brings all its ideas to the surface and discusses them, sometimes in a rather obvious way. That's almost all the movie is.
It may feel like it doesn't engage with the its themes in a concrete way because the movie leaves lots of things ambiguous but I think that is very fitting. We don't know and perhaps can't comprehend where technology will take us in the future and transform our ideas of what it means to be human.This is only possible the movie wants to bring ideas to your attention without feeding the viewer all the answers. It leaves you with room to interpret and interact with its ideas. These uncertainties, combined with its visual majesty, give the film its longevity because there are still things to unpack and discuss decades later.
What the original Gits movie does not do is provide you with pat answers that fill in all the details. What is Kusanagi's past? Was she ever really human, or did they just make her in a lab? What does she truly want? What will she do with the power and knowledge she gains by the films conclusion?
All the works (bar Innocence I guess) that comes after the original movie dispense with these interesting and evocative ambiguities. Kusanagai is no longer an enigma representing the future of the human soul, she's just a person. She lost her original body at some point and then they made her into robot lady. She's a hero, a super hacker, who fights bad criminals with her cool team of badasses. She wants to do good things and doesn't trust those bad corporations/governments. Maybe she'll even have a love interest. Neato.
SapphiCine
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Film comes across as a high budget fan film.
Amen.
lightskintwin
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Can we please stop calling Hollywood adaptations of Japanese anime whitewashing?
Yeah well, I would say a villain and plot setup with a very specific statement about how we define the self is something that doesn't need to be revisited over and over compared to a cool visual motif of a sexy naked lady jumped offing a building and cloaking before doing something "badass" though.
One is a minute long scene at best, the other will encapsulate the entire story!
BlueTsunami
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Im personally excited. The art direction shows a very considerate production. Hopefully the writing and pacing is executed correctly.
PdotMichael
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Yeah, another cyberpunk movie that just repeats old stuff from the past - even literallythis time.
What a dead and pointless genre.
What a dead and pointless genre.
Jex
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Yeah well, I would say a villain and plot setup with a very specific statement about how we define the self is something that doesn't need to be revisited over and over compared to a cool visual motif of a sexy naked lady jumped offing a building and cloaking before doing something "badass" though.
One is a minute long scene at best, the other will encapsulate the entire story!
Right and because I feel like that is true I also feel that, y'know, maybe the world doesn't need anymore Gits. It's discussed all the ideas it wants to discuss at length, numerous times, in numerous guises. The original film gave us a unique vision of the future and a chance to reflect on where we're going as a species. A franchise that only reflects itself, over and over, into infinity, no longer has a purpose.
I mean, everything in GitS is overdone at this point. But I don't get copying the visual look and style of the original film while using a completely different story. Movies aren't just modular plug-and-play machines, especially not one like GitS- the visuals are the story. So copying one story's visuals while inserting a completely different story seems like it has the potential for massive dissonance, at the very least.
Naw bruh. They kept all of the Japanese cultural flavor, with none of the Japanese people to go alongside it in lead roles.
I'm assuming Pilou Asbæk has a ton of blackmail material on executives or something, because he keeps getting horribly miscast.
PdotMichael
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You are a big hypocrite.
GitS can at least get away with this as there's a legitimate reason why Japanese characters with Japanese names, and who presumably speak Japanese, sport European facial features. In an era where one can have whatever body they like made to order a person can look like anything.
I can still understand the reasoning behind such claims of whitewashing mind you.
lightskintwin
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But the Japanese creators are fine with that, and generally speaking the Japanese audience are fine with that. That's the whole point of a Hollywood adaptation of their property, to see a Hollywood actress play the role.
LOL Rather than making a statement, how about you point out how I'm hypocritical so i can point out the differences.
Tony Redgrave
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Cyberpunk is not pointless it's the authors that rethread the same path again and again, just like literally everything these days it needs new concepts and ideas, there's just so much you can do if you go back to Gibson or Stephenson for inspiration continually.
This is an adaptation though so clearly it's going to repeat stuff, especially if the original is so good there's no point in creating something new and possibly inferior.
PdotMichael
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I don't really care what you think where the differences are.
I wonder if Villeneuve will resist the urge to shove a bunch of old references to Blade Runner in the sequel.
Anyway, it's not like we have an abundance of cyberpunk movies to choose from.
lightskintwin
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Then I don't really care about you calling me a hypocrite.
cryptosporidium
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Why in the world is Batou a dwarf. Shoulda gotten Ron Perlman
The Major having a lesbian love interest doesnt sit with me well as I thought she was asexual but if they use it in way of her discovering herself im ok with it
The Major having a lesbian love interest doesnt sit with me well as I thought she was asexual but if they use it in way of her discovering herself im ok with it
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UnemployedVillain
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I'm trying to be open minded and hold it on it's own regards, although that's obviously hard to do before it's out and we can watch it. I know if I had judged SAC before watching based on how close/not-close it was to the movie, I would've deemed it crappy, instead of realizing how awesome it ended up being
Simo
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Wow. Trailer was great, loved what I saw there but uh...wasn't Megatech Corp behind the Major's body and cybernetics or do I just have that wrong? Been a long time since I saw both the '95 film and series.
Also shout out to the awesome Michael Wincott there in the opening seconds. lol
Also shout out to the awesome Michael Wincott there in the opening seconds. lol
In the manga she isn't asexual. http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/Motoko_Kusanagi#Sexuality she has lesbian cybersex and has a boyfriend later on so bisexual would be closer I think. Or the lesbian cybersex is the discovering herself part and she is just straight. It doesn't really matter for the story for me so don't really care though
The major has always had a queer side to her. In the manga she was in a lesbian orgy, and in SAC she was in some kind of polyamorous lesbian relationship. But it was mostly peripheral.
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over all this trailer looks like it's aping all of the source material and then adding a hollywood spin. That's so boring. And Johansson is not the Major, even if she tries to tell us otherwise.
InfiniteBento
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I hate Scarjo's acting entirely in this. She just doesn't fit Major for me. It feels like the same generic Black Widow insecure attitude Scarjo has in most of her films.
The production quality, animation, and practical effects look incredible though.
The production quality, animation, and practical effects look incredible though.
TDLink
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Huge GITS fan...I think the movie looks better than I ever expected for a western adaptation.
The opening looks completely on point and fantastic. Geisha scene as well. Skin suit looks about as good as you could expect in live action, and I'm a bit surprised that even though it's clearly not human skin they're still doing shots like Motoko taking off her coat to reveal her body and stuff...I could see that getting parents unreasonably angry.
I do have some reservations though. Many of the iconic 95 film scenes they've chosen to recreate probably look about as good as they could...but if they're going with the Kuze story (which they are) I am not sure about using a different plot's action beats. I guess in a different context they can still work but it depends on the context. I'm primarily concerned with them doing the Kuze/2nd Gig Story and half assing it, using only the stuff with Motoko's backstory and Kuze as her foil/direct antagonist while ignoring the entire rest of the plot. I don't see anything here that implies they're doing anything with the refugee angle, Individual Eleven, Goda, etc. Instead they're taking scenes from the 95 film which doesn't really have to do with Kuze. I could be completely wrong here, but if they are ignoring all of 2nd Gig other than the backstory and Kuze as a character then they are going to be missing the point of a lot of it. And that inherently makes Kuze much more black and white/less complex rather than how he was presented.
But hey, I haven't seen the movie yet so maybe all that stuff will be in there and they just also decided to adapt a few of those iconic 95 scenes because they're big fans, and will find a way to also include them somewhere. We'll just have to wait and see..
Other reservation...definitely seems to be way too much focus on The Major. Obviously she was always going to be the primary protagonist, especially with SJ playing her, but I really liked Section 9 as a unit. So unless the trailer is intentionally promoting her over so much of the others, I'm a bit worried they'll all be bit parts and barely in the film.
Basically I'll have to see more to fully judge. Overall I'm feeling positive about it though. Even if the story is a mess you can tell the director is a big fan of the franchise and is trying to do the best he can. I don't think anything is ever going to touch the quality of SAC and the original film but if this helps promote more cyberpunk in Hollywood/helps bring GITS to general audiences then I'm all for it.
The opening looks completely on point and fantastic. Geisha scene as well. Skin suit looks about as good as you could expect in live action, and I'm a bit surprised that even though it's clearly not human skin they're still doing shots like Motoko taking off her coat to reveal her body and stuff...I could see that getting parents unreasonably angry.
I do have some reservations though. Many of the iconic 95 film scenes they've chosen to recreate probably look about as good as they could...but if they're going with the Kuze story (which they are) I am not sure about using a different plot's action beats. I guess in a different context they can still work but it depends on the context. I'm primarily concerned with them doing the Kuze/2nd Gig Story and half assing it, using only the stuff with Motoko's backstory and Kuze as her foil/direct antagonist while ignoring the entire rest of the plot. I don't see anything here that implies they're doing anything with the refugee angle, Individual Eleven, Goda, etc. Instead they're taking scenes from the 95 film which doesn't really have to do with Kuze. I could be completely wrong here, but if they are ignoring all of 2nd Gig other than the backstory and Kuze as a character then they are going to be missing the point of a lot of it. And that inherently makes Kuze much more black and white/less complex rather than how he was presented.
But hey, I haven't seen the movie yet so maybe all that stuff will be in there and they just also decided to adapt a few of those iconic 95 scenes because they're big fans, and will find a way to also include them somewhere. We'll just have to wait and see..
Other reservation...definitely seems to be way too much focus on The Major. Obviously she was always going to be the primary protagonist, especially with SJ playing her, but I really liked Section 9 as a unit. So unless the trailer is intentionally promoting her over so much of the others, I'm a bit worried they'll all be bit parts and barely in the film.
Basically I'll have to see more to fully judge. Overall I'm feeling positive about it though. Even if the story is a mess you can tell the director is a big fan of the franchise and is trying to do the best he can. I don't think anything is ever going to touch the quality of SAC and the original film but if this helps promote more cyberpunk in Hollywood/helps bring GITS to general audiences then I'm all for it.
On the fence about this. Visually, it's definitely on point with the myriad series and movies (I've never touched the manga), but there's a few niggles that I can't quite look past yet. For instance, the Major's optical-camouflage suit; it's obviously the way it is as homage to the original film, but even the later GitS outings had the sense to tone it down a lot. I can accept the tight, skin-tone suit in the original film a product of its time but here, on Scarlett Johansson, it looks really silly.
The opening is really on point.
SuperStiltzkin
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From playing a broken ass robot in Westworld to getting assassinated by robots in GitS. Michael Wincott hasn't had good luck with robots lately.
And then the world exploded.
A Kojima/Oshii collaboration would probably be the most pretentious, obnoxious, and long winded thing in the world. And yet I would love to see/play it.
distantmantra
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who picked up on all the 2nd GIG references in the trailer.
Man where can I watch the trailer in that quality?
I'm on the same page. For what it is, I'm pleasantly surprised.
hosannainexcelsis
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But Patlabor 2 is Oshii's best film. It's Innocence where Oshii goes overboard on the faux philosophy.
Looks nice, and I expect that will be the best I can say about it. The production design is on point, but otherwise it's about as banal a (modern) western interpretation as one could expect, I think, right down to the song choice and and dialogue snippets used. Granted, a lot of that could just be attributed to the trailer, but it doesn't give me much hope for the final product.
At least it'll look nice.
At least it'll look nice.
starchild excalibur
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I think it shows a lot of promise, but damn did that shoot-out scene need some proper blood squibs. Is this all but confirmed to be PG-13?
Not feeling at it all...Scarlet as the major doesn't feel right at all.
Still gonna give it a chance and see it when it releases, but it looks like a high budget fan film. The visual being on point is irrelevant, since there are so many good world out there to use and be inspired from, so that not the challenging part.
bleh
BLEH
DAMNIT
Still gonna give it a chance and see it when it releases, but it looks like a high budget fan film. The visual being on point is irrelevant, since there are so many good world out there to use and be inspired from, so that not the challenging part.
bleh
BLEH
DAMNIT
The trailer was pretty weird, so many references and homages but all look worse than the source material. Maybe it will look better in the actual movie instead of mashed up in a trailer.
Also the Scarlett Johansson looks like a half step between the 1995 movie the the anime, which is the worst place to be. Not that unnerving emotionless look but not fun like the major kicking it with her bros.
Also the Scarlett Johansson looks like a half step between the 1995 movie the the anime, which is the worst place to be. Not that unnerving emotionless look but not fun like the major kicking it with her bros.
Huge GitS fan here - really enjoyed the trailer, the film looks good for the most part! Visually the film is hitting the mark & I'm still sorta stunned that a live-action GitS is a real thing. Does it look perfect? No, not even close but I'm impressed by what they're attempting to do with it.
ronaldthump
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batou looks terrible and the film looks .... okay techinically but most modern day films with a budget looks good. Not feeling scarlett as the lead. All wrong.
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