PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Gliding is not possible in Zero Dawn on PS4 due to technical reasons. But is possible in Forbidden West, even on PS4 - why?
Zeroing
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People will miss your post that uses logic and jump straight to console wars…
M1chl
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Every (at least open world) does this, because otherwise there would be no chance of running it. It's just not normally shown like this. It's a neat tech, don't get me wrong, but I think it's more due to work with different lods, which would be too much probably to do it on time. Hell Just Cause 2 can do it on X360/PS3, it's just a matter of priorities.Wasn't it flying, not gliding?
Would it be because it does this?
PharaoTutAnchAmun
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I want so many things, but i cant always get what i want. But you sound like a kid...I want it. "But you cant get i right now."
I dont care i want it....while stamping your feat. You not a kid anymore. Lesson for your life, you cant always get what you want. Deal with it.
Interfectum
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Either you can be butthurt and just say they lied to us or...
The first iteration of the game engine could not do it but this version can.
Either way, does it matter? Ya'll know even your mother lies or has lied to you many times.
The first iteration of the game engine could not do it but this version can.
Either way, does it matter? Ya'll know even your mother lies or has lied to you many times.
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DeepEnigma
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I think it was how their culling was designed from the ground view at the time. And it was flying mounts, not gliding if I recall.
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Darlingcognito
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Hahah oh fucking hell it's so funny how they hype things like "gliding and rifts" as only being possible with the power of PS5. 
Dust-by-Monday
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Why are we surprised?
DeepEnigma
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Even the thread title escapes some people's cognitive abilities of comprehension.Hahah oh fucking hell it's so funny how they hype things like "gliding and rifts" as only being possible with the power of PS5.
ABnormal
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It's perfectly possible on the first Horizon, too. Why shouldn't? It's extremely slow, so the speed of the needed streaming is more or less the same as for running on feet.
We are not talking of speeding through the game world at high speed. In that case, hdd couldn't keep up, with all those heavy and dense assets.
Faithless83
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sainraja
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^^ the above
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
So if Spiiderman comes to PC (which is very possible now), you think a requirement will be a SSD?.
I think it will 'reccomend' a SSD, but the game will run fine on a HDD. Just like on PS4.
Spider-Man is built to run on a standard HDD. It was literally explained in their GDC video. Spider-Man couldn't swing any faster and asset streaming had to be delayed.
Just because other games have flying mechanics, that doesn't mean the same number of assets are being loaded. If they wanted include flying mechanics, then they wouldn't have an issue including it on the PS4 console.Meanwhile, on PS4....
MMaRsu
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I dunno bro, I loved Horizon Zero Dawn but I always wanted to fly those pterodactyl like robots. Just lame they couldnt do that for the sequel. Gliding? Lmao this aint no BoTW
Tomeru
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Have you been to neogaf lately?
mckmas8808
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It's been bad man.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Ryu: dunno bro, I loved Horizon Zero Dawn but I always wanted to fly those pterodactyl like robots. Just lame they couldnt do that for the sequel. Gliding? Lmao this aint no BoTW
I'am not your "bro". I always wanted a Aston Martin but i know that not gonna happen, so i know and except that i can always have what i want.
I'am not your "bro". I always wanted a Aston Martin but i know that not gonna happen, so i know and except that i can always have what i want.
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ethomaz
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Common sense is hard on GAF these days
ABnormal
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I don't remember tath game's name (the first one came out many years ago, during ps3 era, if I remember correctly). And they always used a procedural engine for landscape and vegetation, to create them on the fly, to reduce the number of assets streamed.Meanwhile, on PS4....
Aside that, it all depends by the detail density you want to achieve. The same density of an area of 100x100 metres, crammed in an area of 10x10 metres, requires an extremely faster streaming, if you want to move around. Or a slower speed of motion during world traversal.
The engine is built around the gameplay.
But in this generation, for the first time, there's no need to compromise detail density for streaming. The only limit is the game size.
kungfuian
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It's good to question PR bullshit, because we have way too much of that in the industry, but not everything is some crazy conspiracy.
In the this particular case the whole 'they're lying' angle comes off as very uninformed. There are so many factors that could have prevented them from having a glider work in the first game that aren't related to simple 'graphics' drawing power of the PS4. Could totally have been a non graphical based limitations of the original engine or the scope of work for the project. For example they may have had areas of the game that would break if it was added. Collision detection problems. Etc. Or they may not of had time to make it work and effectively test it.
In the this particular case the whole 'they're lying' angle comes off as very uninformed. There are so many factors that could have prevented them from having a glider work in the first game that aren't related to simple 'graphics' drawing power of the PS4. Could totally have been a non graphical based limitations of the original engine or the scope of work for the project. For example they may have had areas of the game that would break if it was added. Collision detection problems. Etc. Or they may not of had time to make it work and effectively test it.
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GuinGuin
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If they wanted to add flying to the first one they could have. You could fly in Saints Row 3 on PS3 and 1000 other games. They wanted you to fight your way across the land facing various dinos and encountering various NPCs not just fly to the boss and smack him in the face.
GuinGuin
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HZD played nothing like tomb Raider. It was frantic combat against huge and varied giant robo dinos. You needed to make the most of your arsenal of unique long distance weapons and devious traps.
MMaRsu
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K bro stop crying
GuinGuin
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Just Cause isn't procedural. It has maps full of giant bases to take over or destroy. You can also fly a jet fighter. Literally 1000s of old games have flying in them. If they wanted to do that they absolutely could but that would ruin the journey she was on.
Gliding is only being used to go downhill in HFW. It's not like Breath of Wilds that you can use to fly around.
Also there is something called optimization. I know it's difficult to grasp it but engineers find ways to make stuff possible on same constraint daily. That's why they get paid
Also there is something called optimization. I know it's difficult to grasp it but engineers find ways to make stuff possible on same constraint daily. That's why they get paid
DynamiteCop!
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I can glide around in Breath of the Wild on the Wii U and yet Guerilla Games expects me to believe that it's not possible on a PlayStation 4. Wake up and smell the Folgers... You got bamboozled.
P.S. We know this is bullshit anyways because of the zip lining mechanic in Death Stranding. Sony lied to you, please be in shock.
P.S. We know this is bullshit anyways because of the zip lining mechanic in Death Stranding. Sony lied to you, please be in shock.
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sendit
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Haven't you heard? Tools/game engines don't ever improve on the Playstation platform.
009EspadaSageJay
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Sony devs just dont want to say that they design there games with graphics and story in mind and nothing game play mobility is the 1st thing thrown out the window extra long cutscense of people staring into the distance every 5 mins you bet.
fly on the ps4
flying on the switch
fly on the ps4
flying on the switch
009EspadaSageJay
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Gotta have that deep deep story
ABnormal
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I don't know how is done in last gen. But the first one primary characteristic was the dimension and seamless movement thanks to its procedural landscape. And, as I have written, the procedural part is the landscape. The buildings and the characters, which are hand made, are obviuosly streamed assets. But not the world, which was created on the fly with just some parameters to generate it with the needed geography. At that time, there have been many interviews about that.
ABnormal
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Just the first results:
Procedural generation - Wikipedia
Just Cause 3 developer diary details the game's | GameWatcher
Avalanche has released a new developer diary for their upcoming open world action game Just Cause 3, and this time th...
www.gamewatcher.com
"Memory efficiency. The original Just Cause was released on PlayStation 2, so we knew that we had to have a very tight memory representation to make a world of that size fit. Data compression and procedural techniques would be required.
High performance. There are a lot of things to render in an open world game so the terrain system cannot consume much of the available processing power. We knew that static vertex buffers would have to be used to achieve this, which ruled out some terrain rendering techniques.
High visual fidelity. Meant high resolution, no level-of-detail popping," large draw distance, etc. Again, especially considering the other two goals, procedural techniques would be crucial to accomplish this."
Under that (on Gamasutra) there's also a good explanation of the technology used.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
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I can say the same for you.."I want to fly boehoehoe"
Arun1910
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Probably an asset streaming issue, only thing I can think of. They just can't render what they have efficiently on PS4 with a Glide mechanic that can cause you to travel distances pretty fast.
This would definitely be possible on a last gen game... if the game was made for last gen.
I think the thing here is that the game is heavily leaning on PS5 tech for asset streaming/loading that it just makes it harder to pull off something like gliding on last gen consoles.
This would definitely be possible on a last gen game... if the game was made for last gen.
I think the thing here is that the game is heavily leaning on PS5 tech for asset streaming/loading that it just makes it harder to pull off something like gliding on last gen consoles.
squarealex
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Money & Time can also a "technical reason".
